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holdthephone
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States523 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-09 08:18:09
January 18 2011 17:26 GMT
#1
My take on the finished product (post-release discussion starts at around page 10 of the thread):
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The second attempt to append the '-2' to a Final Fantasy title launches in a fashion even more ridiculous than what fans may remember of Square's first stab at the idea. Instead of Final Fantasy X-2's summoner turned pop star, however, Final Fantasy XIII-2 sings to a more serious opening tune. A spectacular sequence of CGI and admirably done interactive action scenes -- tightly woven around composer Masashi Hamauzu's yearning violin and orchestra -- reacquaints players with Lightning, the heroine of their previous adventure. But she's a different Lightning, a woman now adorned with plate armor, a shield, and a cloak of feathers draping at her side -- a divine soldier of sorts. It would seem her ending was not the happy one everyone had witnessed before the credits rolled. Instead she faces a new foe, a purple haired man (to rival her pink) who expresses a grim wish for destruction, clashing swords on the outskirts of the universe.

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Cinematic action sequences offer intense and potentially branching outcomes in a handful of the game's more epic encounters.

Awakened by visions of this supernatural confrontation, Serah -- Lightning's younger sister and Snow's fiancé, should players recall -- finds her quiet coastal village suddenly under siege by monsters from another time period. A new friend appears amongst the confusion, a young man by the name of Noel Kreiss. He carries a warning from an apocalyptic future that he himself is all too familiar with, and a plea for help from Lightning in trying to save it. As they speak, the timeline of the world is turning onto itself, creating paradoxes (contradictions) in various time periods. A series of time gates also appear, devices Serah and Noel must use to steer the world away from destruction.

The two characters have surprisingly approachable personalities, are well voiced, and keep the player on track with a story full of silly pseudoscience terminology. Sometimes the game feels like it's dumbing down its own plot a bit too heavily in this regard, spelling out and repeating concepts several times over (an excellent drinking game). Most of the cutscenes then, do end up being elementary back and forth conversations between Serah and Noel, lacking much action until the ending segments. It still proceeds at an interesting pace, taking a well mannered approach by allowing players to select occasional dialogue choices to pursue information that puzzles them.

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An older Hope proves to be a central cameo in XIII-2, and he earns the role.

The sappy nature of Final Fantasy is all still there, of course, the best and the worst of it. Serah is quite sincere in a warm way, and Noel's cheesy, Tom Cruise like aura can easily bring out the occasional smirk. But unfortunately, eyes will surely roll to the ceiling whenever Lightning speaks, often having to chime in with a solemn monologue at the end of each scene, narrating from the beyond in some awful kind of poetry. It's an overdone pep talk of not giving up hope, leaving the past behind, and moving forward that the game won't stop repeating; even in the vocals of some poppy music tracks for certain environments.

Fielding the message much more gracefully is the universe itself, with XIII-2 rserving a respectable piece of its predecessor's beautiful presentation. The game begins in the beachside town of New Bodhum, a place that warmly conveys the efforts of mankind to recreate the lives and memories they had within Cocoon, all while adapting to hardships of the real world. The image of Cocoon held up by Vanille and Fang's crystal pillar in the night sky makes an excellent visual backdrop here, a reminder of the past, and a valuable lesson to the future. What follows is one of Square's most open-ended entries to the Final Fantasy franchise, a game lovingly built to give players unprecedented access to a world they had only scraped the surface of before.

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Few areas live up to the visual bar raised by XIII, but the astonishing city of Academia stands above all the rest.

Serah and Noel will quickly leave the New Bodhum of the year 3 AF, and revisit locales of the game's predecessor, many of them fully re-imagined and changed by the flow of time. The experiences therein are both nostalgic and wholesome, a memoir and playground for those returning. Players will swing vine to vine through the Sunleth Waterscape, return to the Archelyte Steppe when it was first inhabited by nomadic hunters, and revisit areas that still carry the emotional weight from the events of XIII -- with frequent nods to its original soundtrack. And there are new areas to see as well, some dark and apocalyptic, others teeming with life and civilization. In one such optimistic timeline is the existence Academia, a sprawling futuristic city that has to be Final Fantasy XIII-2's crowning artistic achievement for its expansiveness and absurd attention to detail.

Clumsily exiting each time gate, Serah and Noel casually wipe the dirt off their knees before setting out to solve the paradox of each area -- finding what doesn't belong. But sometimes there are missing items that should belong, and thus the premise for XIII-2's grand easter egg hunt is set. Serah's magical sidekick, Mog, is the key to finding these items of interest; devices or treasure phased out of the current timeline. They are recognizable by their skirting level of transparent camouflage, lining the nooks and crannies of all environments. It's a shameless addiction, where coming across hidden treasure often by accident is always a welcome surprise, and motivation to keep the eyes squinted. Mog will light up with a pinkish glow if he senses anything nearby, and he'll also leap into Serah's arms as a nifty bow-sword when enemies suddenly appear. Random encounters are back.

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Noel gives Mog a good toss to some hard to reach treasure. Hearing the little guy cry never gets old.

Yes, back and exceptionally executed, offering a simple solution to the frustrating instant battle screens that have sometimes haunted RPGs of the past. Enemies are instead seen before being engaged, surrounding Serah and Noel but giving them ample time to weigh options. A timer appears, and this prompts an opportunity to enter the battle screen with a pre-emptive strike, and also one to simply keep running until the aggressors are left behind. The first strike opportunity proves invaluable, as achieving the 5 star battle performance rating actually has meaning in XIII-2, yielding higher drop rates for both normal and rare loot to players who perform well in combat. And now that players can both see and run away from most enemies, it makes seeking and capturing ones not already owned a painless affair.

Monster hunting is one of the biggest new pulls to the XIII universe, and XIII-2's most rewarding aspect. Practically anything encountered in the game -- from tiny gooey flan creatures, to a menacing behemoth, to a giant cactuar creature -- is useable as a 3rd wheel to Serah and Noel's battle party. Obtaining one is as simple as defeating it and hoping it goes into inventory, but finding personal favorites and rarities is where the fun lies; each monster specializing under a certain role players of XIII will be most familiar with. A creature's primary use may also be as fodder for infusion, essentially letting one monster consume another for its abilities -- a powerful tool for those who delve more deeply. Lastly, each creature also has its own unique feral link ability, a powerful skill that can turn the tide of tight battles, reminiscent the character overdrives of Final Fantasy X.

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A shallow but harmless throwback to Final Fantasy VII, captured chocbos can be raced for useful prizes


And so the combat is of the same handsome design of its predecessor's, and with monsters simply being a stand-in for a 3rd human member, it's easy to get right back on track. The combat is again structured around building the gauge bars above enemies until they Stagger, creating an exciting opportunity to deal maximum damage. With reactionary precision, players are to change their party between offensive paradigms to build the gauges, while mitigating damage from real-time attacks by switching to a more defensive approach. Keeping the offense alive and the party healthy is a potentially intense affair players of Final Fantasy XIII need not be reminded of, nor of its visual splendor. XIII-2 also manages to fix the slumping endurance encounters of the past with quicker battles and a faster introduction to the fully working system. But it also introduces new problems, carrying itself through a painfully easy plot line.

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The new paradigm tuning allows players to slightly manipulate the A.I. more to their liking.

This arises from the fact that Final Fantasy XIII-2 is extremely fragile with its open approach to progression. The Crystarium does indeed return as a model to pour experience points into, and perhaps its new interpretation will initially feel more rewarding than XIII's. But It is all too abusable this time around, and while farming a powerful party panders to the enjoyment of certain RPG gamers, it shouldn't be so simple to achieve by complete accident.

Exorbitant amounts of experience points simply roll in, especially if a player -- even for a moment -- gives into the temptation of additional monster hunting and sidequests. The Crsyatirum then offers paths for characters to take at each level -- a choice to open up a tree for another role (i.e. Sentinel), to add another attack to the time gauge, or to expand accessory capacity -- but experienced RPG players will logically step back and see right through the charade. Expanding to more roles early on is flatly unintelligent given that monsters collected can fill the gaps for a missing Saboteur, Synergist, etc... Focusing on 1-2 roles before harnessing all 5 will instead lead to a powerful group early on, and why pursue the increased accessory capacity when the crucial ones don't appear until the game's final portions?

Still, taking an alternate time gate at several points of the game can -- unbeknownst to the player -- lead to a path where enemies suddenly begin scrubbing health bars clean. But the challenge spikes are much less apparent compared to the sudden prolonged lulls in difficulty for much of the game's core 25 hours. If approached with the logical mentality as described above -- especially if having found a monster who's Crystarium peaks early to powerful levels -- the game presents an inclination to sit on offensive paradigms with Ravagers and Commandos for much of its entirety. This is where XIII had an emotionally charged narrative to accompany its drier battle segments, a distraction XIII-2 pursues with unimpressive results.

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The saving grace of many of the game's easier battles is their brevity, as compared to the more drawn out
affairs of Final Fantasy XIII.


Bosses in between the confrontations with the game's purple haired antagonist, Caius, pose no relevance to the characters by comparison. A giant paradoxical colossus lashes out of thin air; half of its body trapped in another dimension. The paradox of another time period somehow lies in the jaws of a dragon. These enemies are often of impressive scale, but they have no words to say, no questions to raise, and the music accompanying them is equally less than sincere. Whether met with a powerful Crystarium and steamrolled over, or met with a weaker party and challenged considerably -- players will find these central encounters quite forgettable.

Caius alone leads XIII-2 to an ending with a string of impressive scenes, demanding fights, and powerful lines of dialogue -- but somewhere along the way the game completely forgot to develop his character, or did it so dimly it was difficult to appreciate. His motivations seem tied to Yuehl, a soft spoken doll-like girl that no really ever gets to know. And while most will point to XIII-2's cliffhanger ending as reason for this ultimately disappointing campaign -- raising more questions than it answers -- it's the fact the game ends based upon such a ridiculous guise of motives that no one can possibly relate to it. There is no message this time around, nothing to walk away with.

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Caius and Yuehl are of paramount significance to the events in XIII-2, but lend no emotional punch.

The ending to Final Fantasy XIII contained a contradiction; it broke the rules. But it rang true to the game's overarching theme of the infinite strength of the human spirit, with characters that declared they would contradict all the rules -- a touching note to end on. Final Fantasy XIII-2 then desperately jumps through fanatical loops in trying to dismantle the respectable conclusion of another game, and to a point of near hilarity. Savvy followers may even have questions of smaller magnitude, such as why everyone is suddenly capable of using magic. Well they just can, says the game's datalog. Why didn't Square just make Lightning a pop singer and call it a day?

But it's naïve to say it all ends there, and unfair to claim that Final Fantasy XIII-2 isn't for the fans. It's not even half complete when the credits roll, and a plethora of content still waits untapped. It's a monster collector's favorite hunting spot, a trailblazer's backpack of spoils, and a completionist's paradise. Cameos and salutes to older games abound, challenges to truly test those thirsty for battle await, and powerful skills and items lie in hiding -- this is a gamer's game, and it's damn well appreciated.


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8.0/10
Draconicfire
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada2562 Posts
January 18 2011 17:36 GMT
#2
I hope it's not as bad as X-2. Still excited for it though, lots of Square Enix news today.
@Drayxs | Drayxs.221 | Drayxs#1802
Maggeus
Profile Joined April 2010
France277 Posts
January 18 2011 17:39 GMT
#3
I wanted to say : NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.

I just did... But please, no, XIII was kinda correct, but remember FFX-2.
Remember it.
Remember this insanity.
FaCE_1
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
Canada6177 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-18 17:43:54
January 18 2011 17:40 GMT
#4
FF 13 wasn't a great FF game but was still good. Will probably buy this one too

but I love the fact that it say COMING 2011 !!!!!!!!!

No need to wait 2 years for it
n_n
holdthephone
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States523 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-18 17:41:49
January 18 2011 17:41 GMT
#5
X-2 was a lot of fun though. It was fan service and had a sweet battle system. The internet hated it but it was actually a huge hit amongst a lot of fans.

This one also looks like crazy fan service, which is fine by me.That is the most baller design for Lightning. Holy shit.
DragoonPK
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
3259 Posts
January 18 2011 17:53 GMT
#6
Yeah if they fix the stuff that was bad in 13 with this, this could hypothetically exceed 13 in every way.
Whitewing
Profile Joined October 2010
United States7483 Posts
January 18 2011 17:57 GMT
#7
Lightning's design looks incredible.
Strategy"You know I fucking hate the way you play, right?" ~SC2John
Reno(TE)
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
United Kingdom434 Posts
January 18 2011 17:58 GMT
#8
Holy crap this is amazing!!! X-2 had awesome battle system, just had to think past the .... dress spheres.
A pro isnt someone who sacrifices themselves for their job, thats just a fool.
holdthephone
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States523 Posts
January 18 2011 18:01 GMT
#9
2011 I believe is for Japan -- which means the west will probably get it feb-march 2012 like how XIII was released.
Foreplay
Profile Joined May 2008
United States1154 Posts
January 18 2011 18:12 GMT
#10
ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh. I didn't HATE ff13 but i kinda wouldve rather had a whole new ff game.
Better than Pokebunny
NrG.NeverExpo
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada2114 Posts
January 18 2011 18:12 GMT
#11
Wow lightning looks so cool in that new gear etc. Wonder who that is shes fighting with at the end. I might have to play through FF13 again in order to refresh my memory. Wonder if they will keep the basic gameplay the same...decent battle system but linear story etc.

I had most fun in Gran Pulse when it turned into like free roam mode. Lots of fun running around there.
TwitteR: @NeverExpo follow me, i'll follow back :)
Fa1nT
Profile Joined September 2010
United States3423 Posts
January 18 2011 18:31 GMT
#12
On January 19 2011 03:12 Foreplay wrote:
ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh. I didn't HATE ff13 but i kinda wouldve rather had a whole new ff game.

You mean like FFXIII Agito?

How about FFXIII Versus

Why not FFXIII-2?

:3
PeT[uK]
Profile Joined November 2009
United States412 Posts
January 18 2011 18:42 GMT
#13
On January 19 2011 03:31 Fa1nT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2011 03:12 Foreplay wrote:
ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh. I didn't HATE ff13 but i kinda wouldve rather had a whole new ff game.

You mean like FFXIII Agito?

How about FFXIII Versus

Why not FFXIII-2?

:3

Wow I must be retarded I was under the impression that Agito and Versus were the same game. but apparently there are 3 other final fantasy games going to be released in the next 2 years, thats insane.

I though FF XIII was pretty good aside from the linearity. With XIII - 2 I just hope they don't mess it up with some stupid idea someone came up with at a meeting like in X - 2.
How Happy Are the Blameless Vestals Lot.
Fa1nT
Profile Joined September 2010
United States3423 Posts
January 18 2011 18:47 GMT
#14
They all are different games, I think they are just on different timelines for the same world/universe.

FFXIII-2 however I think is either a sequel of prequel of FFXIII with lightning as the main character
Cush
Profile Joined September 2010
United States646 Posts
January 18 2011 20:31 GMT
#15
i just jizzed in my pants
"That's not your main base Stardust.....Stardust.....that's not your main" Sayle
Kyhol
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Canada2575 Posts
January 18 2011 20:40 GMT
#16
Well.. that trailer was a tease. I loved FF13, I still think about it from time to time. It wasn't the greatest RPG but I really became attached to it. BTW Fuck Hope, he's nothing but a bitch! I hope he dies in FF13-2.
Wishing you well.
QuixoticO
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Netherlands810 Posts
January 18 2011 20:56 GMT
#17
If they listen to the feedback the players gave they could actually turn this into a really epic game. Tho I'm not going to get my hopes up like before.
"Suum Cuique" - Cicero
oPPRoBe
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States199 Posts
January 18 2011 20:56 GMT
#18
uuuuuuuuuuuuhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

wat.

hope a translation comes out soon
lmlm
ragingfungus
Profile Joined September 2010
United States271 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-18 21:13:15
January 18 2011 21:08 GMT
#19
Trailer looks kinda silly imo. I liked 13s gameplay and visuals and that was about it. The main scheme of 13 was fine just alot of how everything went down was pretty dumb imo. For instance everyone randomly freaking out emotionally for their summons to appear or them taking a ridiculous amount of time to realize that they should check out gran pulse or the ending cinematic that I thought was just jawdroppingly silly. Anyways what I'm trying to get at is this trailer makes me think the story will be even worse than 13s. Oh well as long as the gameplay is good I suppose.

Also whatever happened to 13 versus? That games trailers looked pretty awesome, but it seems like its been ages since I have seen them.

edit:And also maybe we could get our final weapons before the game is over and not have to grind 10 hours to get one? That would be cool.
Logic>Everything
Draconicfire
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada2562 Posts
January 18 2011 21:25 GMT
#20
It wouldn't be a Final Fantasy without grinding for something.
@Drayxs | Drayxs.221 | Drayxs#1802
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