Pick Your Power Mafia 3!

On December 01 2010 14:53 aidnai wrote:
So, I see several things going on at once in the thread. There is the Coag/Fishball/Orgo thing going on, then there's the Ghrur/Deconduo thing, and of course who could forget the RoL/aidnai thing. (I still maintain that debating the role clues/hints is mostly a waste of time).

Here's the thing, mafia would love to just sit back and let town destroy itself. So it's a safe bet that some of these conflicts are townie vs. townie. But the fact that the debate is continually being shifted from one thing to the next says to me that mafia are active in the thread, trying to shift attention around. So probably there's at least one mafia vs. townie battle going on. Now my thoughts:

RoL vs. aidnai. RoL's case against me was pretty weak, ESPECIALLY compared to the way he was acting about it. I've thought about this for a while and come to the following conclusion: RoL is probably a vet type role, or perhaps a mad hatter. I believe his game plan was something like, pick the first scumtell you see, pressure the shit out of whoever it was that 'slipped'. Two options from here: 1) you found mafia -> congrats, you may get a lynch, you may force mafia to behave a certain way in the thread, etc. 2) you found town -> in this case the plan is to draw a mafia hit. Mafia would certainly be tempted to hit RoL to frame me and cause confusion in the town (while eliminating a strong player, perhaps the only one here with a game plan)...of course, RoL would either survive the hit (foiling the plan) or maybe blow up some mafia. I think he may have also chosen me to pick on because i'm new--the thinking being that if I was actually mafia, he'd be able to scare me into making a real slip-up. I think his brazen, fearless stlye of posting definitely points to a vet/bulletproof/hatter type role, where he would want to take a hit.

Verdict: townie vs. townie.

Ghrur vs. Deconduo. I have looked at the posting from both, and in my opinion we're looking at two townies again. Both deconduo and ghrur looked suspicious right off the bat, as each would be eager to point out. But, that is more than understandable, given the wacky game setup plus everyone is a blue so that right there is gonna make people act a little weird. What is more important, however, is that they both responded pretty well to pressure, gave good arguments, posted without guilt or fear etc. Imo you two should bury the hatchet.

Verdict: townie vs. townie.

That leaves coag/fishball/orgo. I feel like I'm missing half of what's going on with this one, but here's what I see. Coag votes fishball later explaining his reasoning as "I really feel that if doch would make anyone on the signup list mafia it would be 100% fishball". Fishball responds pretty oddly (voting himself, then unvoting and voting RoL), and orgolove jumps all over him. Now this was obviously a simple pressure vote, but look at the way fishball reacted:


Now, this seems scummy to me for several reasons. 1) overreaction much? 2) advises looking at inactives, votes for a strong mafia player/veteran (at that point inactive) and then never changes his vote despite RoL becoming active and being a likely blue. 3) shows no regard for town interests.
And in fact, fishball has done absolutely nothing for town, even though he's been active yesterday and today. Here's the rest of his posts to date:



Keep in mind these posts (from page 8) are boldly ignoring orgolove's accusations--a common mafia tactic (ignore it until it goes away). I know fishball is capable of doing more for town than this. Maybe he's acting extra strange because of his role, but I can't believe there's a town role that keeps you from contributing anything at all.

on that note:
##vote fishball

P.S. aeres, barundar, ~opz~, ghrur, jcarlsoniv, will you please remove your votes from me? only thing worse than getting killed night one for me would be getting lynched day one. -_-

On January 07 2011 10:08 zeks wrote:
last time we had a plan and we still had 2 people pick traitor within the top 6 if i remember correctly

On January 09 2011 07:01 zeks wrote:
I randomed as well.

As town we're all just as effective with or without powerful roles - its just a matter of how you use it. Besides after the draft results come out we'll still have time to figure out a better plan if need be.

I actually like the PYP2 plan with the percentages and what not, just so theres not a clear cut drafting order for scum/SKs to easily exploit. I know as SK last PYP I really contemplated what to pick from that plan and it made it tougher for me.

On January 09 2011 12:36 zeks wrote:
I was [3][1].

On January 10 2011 08:58 zeks wrote:
According to LSB's plan I'm supposed to take Tracker - and for many reasons others have listed I'm not going to follow it fully.

As a cover my ass tactic I'll say that I'll be taking one of Alignment Cop, Tracker, Mason or Witch.

On January 10 2011 12:50 zeks wrote:
Finger of suspicion like Fishball said

On January 11 2011 09:35 zeks wrote:
We should be using CPR as an extra town lynch. Infact the CPR should be working with town goals and not randomly hitting people every night - so even if decon is infact scum we can still control his power or risk himself getting lynched.

On January 11 2011 13:06 zeks wrote:
##abstain

incase i somehow dont get to vote tomorrow

day 1 pardon = no

On January 07 2011 12:03 Jackal58 wrote:
Thanks man. All that would load for me this afternoon was the banner.
And role confirmed.

On January 09 2011 22:37 Jackal58 wrote:
[6] [9]

i shall attempt to stick to LSBs plan but I'm still not sure how this all works yet.

On January 10 2011 23:40 Jackal58 wrote:

I suspect it was due to Ace re-posting the draft order.

On January 11 2011 06:13 Jackal58 wrote:

I don't think we're going to find out anytime soon unless we lynch him.

On January 11 2011 19:21 Jackal58 wrote:

1 of the 4 above me is the copy cat. I'm just green.

On January 11 2011 19:27 Jackal58 wrote:







I probably should have made this clearer. I did not get copy cat. That is the role I picked per LSBs list but I am just vanilla green. 1 of the 4 above me on the draft list is copy cat.

On January 08 2011 11:02 GGQ wrote:
/confirm

I'm not going to pretend I have the experience or mafia skill to judge any plan. If there's one being used, I'll follow it. It does seem to me that a plan is better than no plan by a large margin, though.

On January 09 2011 11:40 GGQ wrote:
I picked [5][3].

Low spot ftl.

On January 10 2011 12:53 GGQ wrote:


As Fishball said, it's a 'finger of suspicion'. It's a mafia term that you use to point out someone that you think is suspicious when you don't have the evidence to call him mafia for certain.

On January 11 2011 05:02 GGQ wrote:
deconduo, you said that there was a mistake and that you did, in fact, get the role you asked for. You said before the draft that you were going to pick CPR doc. Can you confirm that this is now your role, or did you random for your pick like your earlier plan? We want to keep track of CPR doc.

On January 11 2011 13:03 GGQ wrote:


Mafia only gets the role of their choice if they can predict what everyone chose, which may be difficult considering how many people said they weren't going to follow a role picking plan.

I want to hear LayOffRage's reason for calling Fishball the traitor. Was it supposed to be a joke, or do you have some secret reasoning?