EPTI want to be a replacement, please :3
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I want to be a replacement, please :3 | ||
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I am convinced, though, that we need to elect an experienced player. | ||
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He agreed, and so do I. The only possible pro of mass roleclaim is that the reds would have to make up roles, and we might be able to discern them from that, but I don't put any faith in that. I don't want to give the reds a hit list on a silver platter under any circumstances (and please no WIFOM) | ||
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On October 29 2010 13:51 DoctorHelvetica wrote: interesting claim fishball is this like the masons who are a group that can talk through pms and nothing else or do you have an additional power that comes with this? He appears to be claiming that he specifically has a power that is very important to the circle, but unlike the masons they don't know each other's role or alignment. | ||
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On October 29 2010 14:05 DoctorHelvetica wrote: the person who is in charge of a town circle, whether mafia have infiltrated it or not, should be protected but highly scrutinized i see no real danger to electing him. he can be lynched if his behavior becomes overly suspicious. Definitely agree. Fishball's promise that he will give a full roleclaim if and when he is elected makes me feel safer about this. If his roleclaim ends up being bull, we'll probably find out quickly. However, I think we need to make sure that "highly scrutinized" clause DrH talks about here is well kept. Mayor may be an elected position of power, but that is by no means synonymous with town, especially with regards to someone campaigning for the position. | ||
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On October 29 2010 14:55 youngminii wrote: I buy fishball's story. I don't buy bum's. You could believe fishball for any number of reasons. What I want to know is why you're so distrustful of bum. | ||
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On October 29 2010 15:11 DoctorHelvetica wrote: omg guys what if fishball bumatlarge are both scum and bumatlarge backed out so that when fishball flips scum he'll look town can you explain why under these circumstances bum would look town | ||
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On October 30 2010 08:58 NB wrote: so far we have 3 people who most likely to be mayor: Pandain, fishball, Dr.h Panda: i think he would be the most reasonable choice since his first election post looks really clean o.O or as Dr.H said: "transparent" Fishy: i dont know about this guy... he claimed that he has some sort of mason going on... and i dont trust any group of towny... there is always important information in there being shared and there always could be a spy.... really fishy Dr.H: lots of people voting for him since he has some great posts on what he would do once he become a mayor. Let me tell you: He has never been a towny b4 in the history of mafia => he is a Veteran mafia and a shitty towny (no offends). Those people who did bandwagon and vote for him could easily be a group of mafia just voting for their leader... Dr.H will be my Last choice what so ever. for now, i will keep my vote on my self and consider to change it on to the most reasonable person in the end! Your logic for electing Pandain is pretty flimsy. We want a mayor who: 1) Is a good analyzer and an experienced town player 2) Can be scrutinized or somehow confirmed as a townie. 3) Has a role that requires protection Now, ideally we get a mayor who is strongly all three (and ends up being townie under scrutiny). DrH, according to his posts, satisfies 2 and 3, especially 2, and I feel like he can carry out 1 as well. Fishball claims to satisfy 3, but his circle hasn't materialized, which makes me suspect him. Last in my book is Pandain, who claims SOFTLY to satisfy all 3. Emphasis on softly, because he only said he had a "valuable blue role" and could give "indirect confirmation." No real plan for action, unlike the other two candidates, as far as I saw. On top of that, you claim that DrH's bandwagon is suspect, but Pandain had an even larger bandwagon before DrH... why does that not trigger your red flag? It feels almost like you're fabricating reasons to put Pandain first and everyone else last. Odd, to say the least. I want to hear a bit more explanation on these points, NB. | ||
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On October 30 2010 09:51 Infundibulum wrote: read my last sentence role != alignment not even "standard roles" are 100%, due to the possibility of things like mafia medics or mafia detectives. I've asked Artanis about this, and rolechecks return role name and alignment only. Does not include the details of the role pm, but critically does include alignment. If possible, I hope he can confirm this in thread. | ||
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On October 30 2010 12:16 Glasse wrote: I will protect you as i can't be killed during the game!. I will always be there for you! Vote for me! wait, WHAT? | ||
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On October 30 2010 12:20 Glasse wrote: You heard it, even god would not be able to kill me! I remain confused | ||
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On October 30 2010 13:12 kingjames01 wrote: Everyone, consider this scenario. The mafia share the names and abilities of their individual roles with the group. DrH claims the name and abilities of one of his mafia teammates, ie. "Sticky". He gets elected mayor during the day and then at night, he gets elected Godfather. As Godfather, he chooses to appear as "Sticky" to any detective checks. At night, the real "Sticky" does whatever "Stickies" are supposed to do. When day breaks, DrH claims responsibility so we start to believe him more. We go along with his scheming and then we lose. I'm pretty sure that situation is moot, because it assumes sticky is a scumbuddy. In that case, sticky's role is a red role, and DrH claiming responsibility for sticky's actions would just draw a lynch. I hope I understood you right. The only way this would work is if he knew someone was sticky, could ensure that person's protection indefinitely, AND knew exactly what the sticky role entails. >_> | ||
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Suppose his claim about the poking is correct, including that the poked knows DrH did the poking. But say DrH were a mafia and the 1 person infected with Murrayitis. This "poke" could be the method by which he transfers Murrayitis... and the person poked would still confirm that DrH poked him, thus establishing credibility. The plague doctors would immunize the people DrH tells them to, possibly including any reds that end up infected. This possibility has me extremely paranoid  if only because it gives the reds such a gigantic advantage. The only ways I can think of to beat this scenario are very WIFOM. | ||
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On October 30 2010 13:55 DoctorHelvetica wrote: That is an interesting scenario. All I can say is if I tell the town someone has murrayitis, and the plague doctors visit them, that'll be cured and it'll show in the numbers. Now that you said that mafia can just start infecting the people I confirm to, to make it look like I'm doing the infecting I think you misread my post. What I said is that if you're the one infected, and you can find reds that are infected, you would still be able to show the murrayitis numbers decrease while piling up the disease on townies. It's a hypothetical scenario though, no need to be defensive about it. I'm not nearly convinced it's true yet. What I want is collaboration to find a satisfactory (non-WIFOM) method to confirm DrH in this case. I hope to ACTUALLY have FULL 100% faith in the person I give my mayoral vote to. | ||
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On October 30 2010 14:07 DoctorHelvetica wrote: I was told I was given new life after the death of bill murray and as a result am immune to the disease of murrayitis. That is why a plague doctor must check my first confirmed target. If they are "cured" of murrayitis then I will never use my night action and hopefully no one will ever be infected. Pretty sure this'll go to WIFOM fast. :| | ||
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On October 30 2010 14:21 DoctorHelvetica wrote: again why would mafia have a sticky, a role clearly designed to stop the spread of m-rus, a disease that benefits mafia Even assuming what you've told us is the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, there's an advantage in rallying the plague doctors to cure infected reds. I want to see something more well thought out, please~ @Meapak_Ziphh: I'm not considering whether "sticky" represents a m-itis infector or a m-itis stopper. I'm just presenting a possible scenario which, if nobody finds a way around it, compromises DrH's claim of 100% guaranteed proof of townieness. It doesn't bank on meta at all. | ||
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On October 30 2010 14:27 Fishball wrote: If I were a medic, I would protect this man. If I were a medic, I would get myself checked out for possible mental diseases, from ADD to total and utter psychoneurosis, with all this INSANE talk going around. | ||
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On October 30 2010 14:38 orgolove wrote: Fine. I'll stop bringing in your confirmed flaws into this equation. But lets say EVERYTHING you said is 100% true. Basically, your ability is thus: "Check ONE person a night to see if he has Murrayitis." Murrayitis isn't a disease that kills immediately - rather than acting on a timer, it requires the mafia to go through and infect more than half the town. If the mafia managed to infect over 20 townies, then the game's probably already over. Is the ability to check what is essentially second priority on ONE person a day so important that we should nominate him as the mayor? This is a good point. I'd much rather put bum as mayor, because circle leader/manager is more worthy of nightkill invincibility. Drop all the personal attacks. They're distracting us from the issues at hand. | ||
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On October 30 2010 14:42 kingjames01 wrote: First, you need to STOP with the personal attacks. How does your personal crusade help anyone in this game? Focus on what is relevant. We're going to need logic to get through an insane game. Anyway, a couple of comments about this following post: hehe, "point". Was that an intended pun? =) I'm being sincere in my attempts to further this discussion. I agree that you seem town, especially since you voluntarily gave information about your role even before you realized the significance of the title. I am not trying to discredit you. You're under fire only because you were the the most recent candidate to sum up your position. Then I asked for more specifics and now we're discussing that your role may be tainted. I just want the town to perform their due diligence before we elect our Mayor. Full agreeal  The fact that nobody provided a non-WIFOM solution to the scenario I proposed, coupled with the relative worthlessness of DrH's ability (in terms of needing bodyguards), has made me change my vote back to myself. | ||
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nice catch, i lol'd too | ||
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