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On October 30 2010 14:02 infinitestory wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2010 13:55 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On October 30 2010 13:51 infinitestory wrote:Just thought of another way DrH might fake the role: Suppose his claim about the poking is correct, including that the poked knows DrH did the poking. But say DrH were a mafia and the 1 person infected with Murrayitis. This "poke" could be the method by which he transfers Murrayitis... and the person poked would still confirm that DrH poked him, thus establishing credibility. The plague doctors would immunize the people DrH tells them to, possibly including any reds that end up infected. This possibility has me extremely paranoid  if only because it gives the reds such a gigantic advantage. The only ways I can think of to beat this scenario are very WIFOM. That is an interesting scenario. All I can say is if I tell the town someone has murrayitis, and the plague doctors visit them, that'll be cured and it'll show in the numbers. Now that you said that mafia can just start infecting the people I confirm to, to make it look like I'm doing the infecting I think you misread my post. What I said is that if you're the one infected, and you can find reds that are infected, you would still be able to show the murrayitis numbers decrease while piling up the disease on townies. It's a hypothetical scenario though, no need to be defensive about it. I'm not nearly convinced it's true yet. What I want is collaboration to find a satisfactory (non-WIFOM) method to confirm DrH in this case. I hope to ACTUALLY have FULL 100% faith in the person I give my mayoral vote to.
I see. This is a pretty unlikely scenario.
For this to be true, it means Artanis tricked me.
My solution: Plague Doctor visits the first person I confirm to. If I didn't infect them that will be immdiately apparent.
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On October 30 2010 13:56 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2010 13:55 kingjames01 wrote:On October 30 2010 13:51 infinitestory wrote:Just thought of another way DrH might fake the role: Suppose his claim about the poking is correct, including that the poked knows DrH did the poking. But say DrH were a mafia and the 1 person infected with Murrayitis. This "poke" could be the method by which he transfers Murrayitis... and the person poked would still confirm that DrH poked him, thus establishing credibility. The plague doctors would immunize the people DrH tells them to, possibly including any reds that end up infected. This possibility has me extremely paranoid if only because it gives the reds such a gigantic advantage. The only ways I can think of to beat this scenario are very WIFOM. DAMN. That's so true. I was so excited to figure out the connection that I forgot to stay suspicious. IF Bill Murry died while using Sticky, then it's VERY LIKELY that Sticky is infected with Murrayitis. If Sticky pokes someone that would pass it on... Then DrH pretends to be notified. You're speculating on mod logic based on the storyline of a past game pretty far out there if you ask me. this is getting way too meta.
I disagree. Your role is "Sticky". You admitted that yourself. It cannot be denied that the theme of the game revolves around Bill Murray. My logic isn't based on the storyline of a past game. It's based on finding connections around the theme:
- Bill Murray died in Haunted Mafia giving rise to Murrayitis
- Bill Murray died in Mafia XXXI holding a sticky named Sticky
- There is an actual role called "Sticky"
- Sticky's ability involves poking people
On October 29 2010 06:46 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Day 1
Rise and Shine! It is now Day 1! And no one is infected by Murrayitis... Yet.
If no one has Murrayitis yet, then no PERSON has Murrayitis yet. However, a Sticky might. That Sticky is you.
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On October 30 2010 14:05 kingjames01 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2010 13:56 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On October 30 2010 13:55 kingjames01 wrote:On October 30 2010 13:51 infinitestory wrote:Just thought of another way DrH might fake the role: Suppose his claim about the poking is correct, including that the poked knows DrH did the poking. But say DrH were a mafia and the 1 person infected with Murrayitis. This "poke" could be the method by which he transfers Murrayitis... and the person poked would still confirm that DrH poked him, thus establishing credibility. The plague doctors would immunize the people DrH tells them to, possibly including any reds that end up infected. This possibility has me extremely paranoid if only because it gives the reds such a gigantic advantage. The only ways I can think of to beat this scenario are very WIFOM. DAMN. That's so true. I was so excited to figure out the connection that I forgot to stay suspicious. IF Bill Murry died while using Sticky, then it's VERY LIKELY that Sticky is infected with Murrayitis. If Sticky pokes someone that would pass it on... Then DrH pretends to be notified. You're speculating on mod logic based on the storyline of a past game pretty far out there if you ask me. this is getting way too meta. I disagree. Your role is "Sticky". You admitted that yourself. It cannot be denied that the theme of the game revolves around Bill Murray. My logic isn't based on the storyline of a past game. It's based on finding connections around the theme: - Bill Murray died in Haunted Mafia giving rise to Murrayitis - Bill Murray died in Mafia XXXI holding a sticky named Sticky - There is an actual role called "Sticky" - Sticky's ability involves poking people Show nested quote +On October 29 2010 06:46 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Day 1
Rise and Shine! It is now Day 1! And no one is infected by Murrayitis... Yet. If no one has Murrayitis yet, then no PERSON has Murrayitis yet. However, a Sticky might. That Sticky is you.
I was told I was given new life after the death of bill murray and as a result am immune to the disease of murrayitis.
That is why a plague doctor must check my first confirmed target. If they are "cured" of murrayitis then I will never use my night action and hopefully no one will ever be infected.
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United States4053 Posts
On October 30 2010 14:07 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2010 14:05 kingjames01 wrote:On October 30 2010 13:56 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On October 30 2010 13:55 kingjames01 wrote:On October 30 2010 13:51 infinitestory wrote:Just thought of another way DrH might fake the role: Suppose his claim about the poking is correct, including that the poked knows DrH did the poking. But say DrH were a mafia and the 1 person infected with Murrayitis. This "poke" could be the method by which he transfers Murrayitis... and the person poked would still confirm that DrH poked him, thus establishing credibility. The plague doctors would immunize the people DrH tells them to, possibly including any reds that end up infected. This possibility has me extremely paranoid if only because it gives the reds such a gigantic advantage. The only ways I can think of to beat this scenario are very WIFOM. DAMN. That's so true. I was so excited to figure out the connection that I forgot to stay suspicious. IF Bill Murry died while using Sticky, then it's VERY LIKELY that Sticky is infected with Murrayitis. If Sticky pokes someone that would pass it on... Then DrH pretends to be notified. You're speculating on mod logic based on the storyline of a past game pretty far out there if you ask me. this is getting way too meta. I disagree. Your role is "Sticky". You admitted that yourself. It cannot be denied that the theme of the game revolves around Bill Murray. My logic isn't based on the storyline of a past game. It's based on finding connections around the theme: - Bill Murray died in Haunted Mafia giving rise to Murrayitis - Bill Murray died in Mafia XXXI holding a sticky named Sticky - There is an actual role called "Sticky" - Sticky's ability involves poking people On October 29 2010 06:46 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Day 1
Rise and Shine! It is now Day 1! And no one is infected by Murrayitis... Yet. If no one has Murrayitis yet, then no PERSON has Murrayitis yet. However, a Sticky might. That Sticky is you. I was told I was given new life after the death of bill murray and as a result am immune to the disease of murrayitis. That is why a plague doctor must check my first confirmed target. If they are "cured" of murrayitis then I will never use my night action and hopefully no one will ever be infected.
Pretty sure this'll go to WIFOM fast. :|
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lol, awesome find haha. Now we have second evidence of DoctorHelvetica "Embellishing the Truth" aka lying.
How could you not reveal the *slightly* important fact that whoever you do your night action on will be infected with Murrayitis?
Anything else you're hiding, mr Sticky?
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United States9244 Posts
On October 30 2010 14:16 orgolove wrote:
lol, awesome find haha. Now we have second evidence of DoctorHelvetica "Embellishing the Truth" aka lying.
How could you not reveal the *slightly* important fact that whoever you do your night action on will be infected with Murrayitis?
Anything else you're hiding, mr Sticky?
Perhaps DrH has an insane role in which he believes he is helping, while actually he is spreading the disease. Either way, the result of his actions will be revealed after two days.
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At least, this is creating a good discussion.
I hope this doesn't get lost by the morning. I want people to see this and think about it. At the moment, DrH has a lot of support for the position of mayor.
I'm unwilling to elect someone called "Sticky" when it's so clear that Sticky was intimately connected with Bill Murray's death and, therefore, also intimately tied with Murrayitis. What better way to spread a disease than to poke someone with an infected stick?
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On October 30 2010 14:16 orgolove wrote:
lol, awesome find haha. Now we have second evidence of DoctorHelvetica "Embellishing the Truth" aka lying.
How could you not reveal the *slightly* important fact that whoever you do your night action on will be infected with Murrayitis?
Anything else you're hiding, mr Sticky?
In the words of Antoine Dodson
"You are so dumb. You are really dumb. For real."
kingjames and infinitestory are merely speculating on the fact that my poke could infect them. however in my talks with artanis it is pretty clear the point of my role is to a. confirm my role to others and to b. tell who does and doesn't have murrayitis
i was never told that i infect people with murrayitis and my understanding is that my role is designed to fight its spread
you like to paint me as a liar whenever you can based on posts you don't even have the reading comprehension to understand
obviously mafia would be shitting their pants at the idea of electing me. it's suspicious to say the least.
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On October 30 2010 14:05 kingjames01 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2010 13:56 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On October 30 2010 13:55 kingjames01 wrote:On October 30 2010 13:51 infinitestory wrote:Just thought of another way DrH might fake the role: Suppose his claim about the poking is correct, including that the poked knows DrH did the poking. But say DrH were a mafia and the 1 person infected with Murrayitis. This "poke" could be the method by which he transfers Murrayitis... and the person poked would still confirm that DrH poked him, thus establishing credibility. The plague doctors would immunize the people DrH tells them to, possibly including any reds that end up infected. This possibility has me extremely paranoid if only because it gives the reds such a gigantic advantage. The only ways I can think of to beat this scenario are very WIFOM. DAMN. That's so true. I was so excited to figure out the connection that I forgot to stay suspicious. IF Bill Murry died while using Sticky, then it's VERY LIKELY that Sticky is infected with Murrayitis. If Sticky pokes someone that would pass it on... Then DrH pretends to be notified. You're speculating on mod logic based on the storyline of a past game pretty far out there if you ask me. this is getting way too meta. I disagree. Your role is "Sticky". You admitted that yourself. It cannot be denied that the theme of the game revolves around Bill Murray. My logic isn't based on the storyline of a past game. It's based on finding connections around the theme: - Bill Murray died in Haunted Mafia giving rise to Murrayitis - Bill Murray died in Mafia XXXI holding a sticky named Sticky - There is an actual role called "Sticky" - Sticky's ability involves poking people Show nested quote +On October 29 2010 06:46 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Day 1
Rise and Shine! It is now Day 1! And no one is infected by Murrayitis... Yet. If no one has Murrayitis yet, then no PERSON has Murrayitis yet. However, a Sticky might. That Sticky is you.
the plot thickens.
however i cant help but notice that he revealed his role honestly ( as far as we know it was pretty much confirmed by the fact that we found a logical link to it in another game that fits perfectly?)
then there is still the chance hes mafia sticky.
but I cant see a scum willingly giving up this kind of info like that.
I hate the way drH plays but his story is starting to come together. i still worry that he is too fucking good at this game to chance him possibly gaining such an advantage as a red.
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On October 30 2010 14:19 kingjames01 wrote:
At least, this is creating a good discussion.
I hope this doesn't get lost by the morning. I want people to see this and think about it. At the moment, DrH has a lot of support for the position of mayor.
I'm unwilling to elect someone called "Sticky" when it's so clear that Sticky was intimately connected with Bill Murray's death and, therefore, also intimately tied with Murrayitis. What better way to spread a disease than to poke someone with an infected stick?
if that is the case i have an insane role
however considering I am being told that bill murrays death has given me new life resulting in immunity from m-rus i really really doubt this is the case
this can also be easily confirmed by plague doctor play and then i can stop the spread of m-rus completely ALTOGETHER
even so, electing me is a win/win scenario for the town
and you're getting really really meta
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Okay I believe Doc. I've reread most of his posts that explain his role several times and I'm comfortable that he's telling the truth. It sounds like his roleclaim would be suicidal for the mafia to attempt to scam. As I understand theres not really any way for the mafia to bs his roleclaim ability.
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On October 30 2010 14:20 Coagulation wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2010 14:05 kingjames01 wrote:On October 30 2010 13:56 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On October 30 2010 13:55 kingjames01 wrote:On October 30 2010 13:51 infinitestory wrote:Just thought of another way DrH might fake the role: Suppose his claim about the poking is correct, including that the poked knows DrH did the poking. But say DrH were a mafia and the 1 person infected with Murrayitis. This "poke" could be the method by which he transfers Murrayitis... and the person poked would still confirm that DrH poked him, thus establishing credibility. The plague doctors would immunize the people DrH tells them to, possibly including any reds that end up infected. This possibility has me extremely paranoid if only because it gives the reds such a gigantic advantage. The only ways I can think of to beat this scenario are very WIFOM. DAMN. That's so true. I was so excited to figure out the connection that I forgot to stay suspicious. IF Bill Murry died while using Sticky, then it's VERY LIKELY that Sticky is infected with Murrayitis. If Sticky pokes someone that would pass it on... Then DrH pretends to be notified. You're speculating on mod logic based on the storyline of a past game pretty far out there if you ask me. this is getting way too meta. I disagree. Your role is "Sticky". You admitted that yourself. It cannot be denied that the theme of the game revolves around Bill Murray. My logic isn't based on the storyline of a past game. It's based on finding connections around the theme: - Bill Murray died in Haunted Mafia giving rise to Murrayitis - Bill Murray died in Mafia XXXI holding a sticky named Sticky - There is an actual role called "Sticky" - Sticky's ability involves poking people On October 29 2010 06:46 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Day 1
Rise and Shine! It is now Day 1! And no one is infected by Murrayitis... Yet. If no one has Murrayitis yet, then no PERSON has Murrayitis yet. However, a Sticky might. That Sticky is you. the plot thickens. however i cant help but notice that he revealed his role honestly ( as far as we know it was pretty much confirmed by the fact that we found a logical link to it in another game that fits perfectly?) then there is still the chance hes mafia sticky. but I cant see a scum willingly giving up this kind of info like that. I hate the way drH plays but his story is starting to come together. i still worry that he is too fucking good at this game to chance him possibly gaining such an advantage as a red.
again why would mafia have a sticky, a role clearly designed to stop the spread of m-rus, a disease that benefits mafia
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Even if I don't get the Mayor at the end, I still might reveal my role at that point, but this requires more consideration.
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Also to the people who are meta-ing the whole sticky thing, well maybe Artanis is making an ironic connection that sticky cures people rather than infect them in this game. Really this whole sticky discusion is kind of ridiculous, people are reading waaay to much into this.
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Although he seems sincere, it is also a possibility that DrH does not realize he's anti-town.
Consider for a moment:
An Insane Cop does not know that his actions are opposite to what he expects.
This is an Insane Mafia game.
Perhaps there are actually a lot of Insane roles in this game.
As I've said before, a truly Insane game must be, by definition, unpredictable. What I mean to say is, we, as players, need to stop relying on what we KNOW from the past and start playing based on the set of rules that we infer from this game ONLY.
It would not be fair for the mods to change the rules mid-game, but it is completely in their power to take advantage of our preconceptions on what a Mafia game is. Remember, this is INSANE MAFIA.
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United States4053 Posts
On October 30 2010 14:21 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2010 14:20 Coagulation wrote:On October 30 2010 14:05 kingjames01 wrote:On October 30 2010 13:56 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On October 30 2010 13:55 kingjames01 wrote:On October 30 2010 13:51 infinitestory wrote:Just thought of another way DrH might fake the role: Suppose his claim about the poking is correct, including that the poked knows DrH did the poking. But say DrH were a mafia and the 1 person infected with Murrayitis. This "poke" could be the method by which he transfers Murrayitis... and the person poked would still confirm that DrH poked him, thus establishing credibility. The plague doctors would immunize the people DrH tells them to, possibly including any reds that end up infected. This possibility has me extremely paranoid if only because it gives the reds such a gigantic advantage. The only ways I can think of to beat this scenario are very WIFOM. DAMN. That's so true. I was so excited to figure out the connection that I forgot to stay suspicious. IF Bill Murry died while using Sticky, then it's VERY LIKELY that Sticky is infected with Murrayitis. If Sticky pokes someone that would pass it on... Then DrH pretends to be notified. You're speculating on mod logic based on the storyline of a past game pretty far out there if you ask me. this is getting way too meta. I disagree. Your role is "Sticky". You admitted that yourself. It cannot be denied that the theme of the game revolves around Bill Murray. My logic isn't based on the storyline of a past game. It's based on finding connections around the theme: - Bill Murray died in Haunted Mafia giving rise to Murrayitis - Bill Murray died in Mafia XXXI holding a sticky named Sticky - There is an actual role called "Sticky" - Sticky's ability involves poking people On October 29 2010 06:46 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Day 1
Rise and Shine! It is now Day 1! And no one is infected by Murrayitis... Yet. If no one has Murrayitis yet, then no PERSON has Murrayitis yet. However, a Sticky might. That Sticky is you. the plot thickens. however i cant help but notice that he revealed his role honestly ( as far as we know it was pretty much confirmed by the fact that we found a logical link to it in another game that fits perfectly?) then there is still the chance hes mafia sticky. but I cant see a scum willingly giving up this kind of info like that. I hate the way drH plays but his story is starting to come together. i still worry that he is too fucking good at this game to chance him possibly gaining such an advantage as a red. again why would mafia have a sticky, a role clearly designed to stop the spread of m-rus, a disease that benefits mafia
Even assuming what you've told us is the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, there's an advantage in rallying the plague doctors to cure infected reds. I want to see something more well thought out, please~
@Meapak_Ziphh: I'm not considering whether "sticky" represents a m-itis infector or a m-itis stopper. I'm just presenting a possible scenario which, if nobody finds a way around it, compromises DrH's claim of 100% guaranteed proof of townieness. It doesn't bank on meta at all.
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On October 30 2010 14:25 kingjames01 wrote:
Although he seems sincere, it is also a possibility that DrH does not realize he's anti-town.
Consider for a moment:
An Insane Cop does not know that his actions are opposite to what he expects.
This is an Insane Mafia game.
Perhaps there are actually a lot of Insane roles in this game.
As I've said before, a truly Insane game must be, by definition, unpredictable. What I mean to say is, we, as players, need to stop relying on what we KNOW from the past and start playing based on the set of rules that we infer from this game ONLY.
It would not be fair for the mods to change the rules mid-game, but it is completely in their power to take advantage of our preconceptions on what a Mafia game is. Remember, this is INSANE MAFIA.
If I were a medic, I would protect this man.
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It seems like you're trying to use this pretty far out possibility as a point against me.
The same sort of arguments could be applied to almost any player, that their role could be INSANE and unhelpful and all that jazz.
I think I've done enough to prove to you guys that I'm on your side as town.
You're pressing it so hard it's almost suspicious ;0 although i understand not wanting to leave any stone of possibility unturned
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Vatican City State1650 Posts
On October 30 2010 14:19 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2010 14:16 orgolove wrote:
lol, awesome find haha. Now we have second evidence of DoctorHelvetica "Embellishing the Truth" aka lying.
How could you not reveal the *slightly* important fact that whoever you do your night action on will be infected with Murrayitis?
Anything else you're hiding, mr Sticky? In the words of Antoine Dodson "You are so dumb. You are really dumb. For real." kingjames and infinitestory are merely speculating on the fact that my poke could infect them. however in my talks with artanis it is pretty clear the point of my role is to a. confirm my role to others and to b. tell who does and doesn't have murrayitis i was never told that i infect people with murrayitis and my understanding is that my role is designed to fight its spread you like to paint me as a liar whenever you can based on posts you don't even have the reading comprehension to understand obviously mafia would be shitting their pants at the idea of electing me. it's suspicious to say the least.
Anyone who was even remotely invested in the Haunted Mafia game would be horrified at the prospect of letting you become the Mayor after the way you completely screwed up the game in the final days. Gj killing one of the last 3 mafia, letting the vamps just stroll to victory -_-
I have no interest in allowing someone who screws up in that magnitude in a job as the town mayor.
Besides, if truly that's all you can do, I can hardly think the ability to check ONE player a day for a disease which doesn't even kill unless it's extensively spread to be the "SUPER IMPORTANT" role that you claimed as your role.
Further, there is no way we will be able to confirm that your stick doesn't infect people - As kingjames has mentioned, if your stick is "dirty," you can simply claim whoever you infected the first night to have "turned up as infected" in your "check". Then you can just let the other blues check on him, further confirming your "innoc
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On October 30 2010 14:27 infinitestory wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2010 14:21 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On October 30 2010 14:20 Coagulation wrote:On October 30 2010 14:05 kingjames01 wrote:On October 30 2010 13:56 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On October 30 2010 13:55 kingjames01 wrote:On October 30 2010 13:51 infinitestory wrote:Just thought of another way DrH might fake the role: Suppose his claim about the poking is correct, including that the poked knows DrH did the poking. But say DrH were a mafia and the 1 person infected with Murrayitis. This "poke" could be the method by which he transfers Murrayitis... and the person poked would still confirm that DrH poked him, thus establishing credibility. The plague doctors would immunize the people DrH tells them to, possibly including any reds that end up infected. This possibility has me extremely paranoid if only because it gives the reds such a gigantic advantage. The only ways I can think of to beat this scenario are very WIFOM. DAMN. That's so true. I was so excited to figure out the connection that I forgot to stay suspicious. IF Bill Murry died while using Sticky, then it's VERY LIKELY that Sticky is infected with Murrayitis. If Sticky pokes someone that would pass it on... Then DrH pretends to be notified. You're speculating on mod logic based on the storyline of a past game pretty far out there if you ask me. this is getting way too meta. I disagree. Your role is "Sticky". You admitted that yourself. It cannot be denied that the theme of the game revolves around Bill Murray. My logic isn't based on the storyline of a past game. It's based on finding connections around the theme: - Bill Murray died in Haunted Mafia giving rise to Murrayitis - Bill Murray died in Mafia XXXI holding a sticky named Sticky - There is an actual role called "Sticky" - Sticky's ability involves poking people On October 29 2010 06:46 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Day 1
Rise and Shine! It is now Day 1! And no one is infected by Murrayitis... Yet. If no one has Murrayitis yet, then no PERSON has Murrayitis yet. However, a Sticky might. That Sticky is you. the plot thickens. however i cant help but notice that he revealed his role honestly ( as far as we know it was pretty much confirmed by the fact that we found a logical link to it in another game that fits perfectly?) then there is still the chance hes mafia sticky. but I cant see a scum willingly giving up this kind of info like that. I hate the way drH plays but his story is starting to come together. i still worry that he is too fucking good at this game to chance him possibly gaining such an advantage as a red. again why would mafia have a sticky, a role clearly designed to stop the spread of m-rus, a disease that benefits mafia Even assuming what you've told us is the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, there's an advantage in rallying the plague doctors to cure infected reds. I want to see something more well thought out, please~ @Meapak_Ziphh: I'm not considering whether "sticky" represents a m-itis infector or a m-itis stopper. I'm just presenting a possible scenario which, if nobody finds a way around it, compromises DrH's claim of 100% guaranteed proof of townieness. It doesn't bank on meta at all.
I agree. No matter who has M-Rus they should be cured, to prevent its spread.
As far as checkin whether or not I am the origin of m-rus it's as simple as having one plague doctor visit my first confirmee.
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