Even in our own lifetime, we can recall how Britain and her leaders stood against a Nazi tyranny that wished to eradicate God from society and denied our common humanity to many, especially the Jews, who were thought unfit to live. I also recall the regime’s attitude to Christian pastors and religious who spoke the truth in love, opposed the Nazis and paid for that opposition with their lives. As we reflect on the sobering lessons of the atheist extremism of the twentieth century, let us never forget how the exclusion of God, religion and virtue from public life leads ultimately to a truncated vision of man and of society and thus to a “reductive vision of the person and his destiny” (Caritas in Veritate, 29).
This is a statement from a speech given by the Pope in Great Britain recently.
I find this pretty infuriating... the fact that a world leader can get away with making a statement that is not only irrelevant, but also blatantly unhistorical is ridiculous to me. Especially when there are recorded quotes from Hitler that directly prove it false, such as:
We are convinced that the people need and require faith. We have therefore undertaken to fight against the atheistic movement.
Reductio ad Hitlerium arguments are annoying enough, but when the premise upon which you're making your argument is completely false in the first place, it's just inexcusable.
The rest of the speech is typical "without Christianity, society would crumble" BS.
Hitler's entire movement definitely did not oppose the Pope, in fact the Catholic leader ended up being an ally of the Nazis (too lazy to get source but there is evidence of the Pope helping out Mussolini and the Nazis).
Damn you, religious leaders. Keep religion pure and un-corrupted :[
yes because my atheist scientist parents work for pharmaceutical companies to resurrect the devil and not fight AIDs in 3rd world countries. Although the pills they are giving them do cause a burning sensation...
On September 19 2010 15:47 YoureFired wrote: Hitler's entire movement definitely did not oppose the Pope, in fact the Catholic leader ended up being an ally of the Nazis (too lazy to get source but there is evidence of the Pope helping out Mussolini and the Nazis).
Damn you, religious leaders. Keep religion pure and un-corrupted :[
I don't believe organized religion can be pure. They have the same problems that many organizations have: corruption, greed, lack of transparency, bureaucracy, etc.
The rest of the speech is typical "without Christianity, society would crumble" BS.
Interesting point given the fact that the Church, I'm sure, could make an enormous difference in say building/digging wells, schools, and teaching safe sex in Africa.
Atheist terrorists here we come again to conquer the World!
Or not...
Funny how in most the cases which are relevant there has always been something to replace God, Stalin-Communism, Hitler, Mao...
SOOO! What can we do in the name of our almighty God science? I say nuke the Vatican!! That is the power of a real god, I wish you all the luck with your prayer for survival =)
The rest of the speech is typical "without Christianity, society would crumble" BS.
Interesting point given the fact that the Church, I'm sure, could make an enormous difference in say building/digging wells, schools, and teaching safe sex in Africa.
you're right, non-religious folk clearly don't know how to use condoms or shovels.
The rest of the speech is typical "without Christianity, society would crumble" BS.
Interesting point given the fact that the Church, I'm sure, could make an enormous difference in say building/digging wells, schools, and teaching safe sex in Africa.
you're right, non-religious folk clearly don't know how to use condoms or shovels.
It's funny how public personas can get away with statements that would get you banned on any respectable message board. Not for inflamatory language, just plain old trolling;
On September 19 2010 16:03 The_Pacifist wrote: Meh. Plenty of world leaders have said stupider and more embrassing things. Why is this any different?
It might be not that much different, but given the million followers of christianity, there are surely enough that will take these words just as truth.
Also, for me personally, it's embarrassing that a German pope, who should know better about the history, decides to put something like that into the world.
EPT
