I was reading http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=149284&currentpage=10#192 where hot_bid states that TL will take down restreams on the site for organisations who request it.

Watching the GSL tonight, artosis and tasteless practically begged people not to restream GSL. Just wondering where TL is landing on this. Will the restreams be taken down or are you only going to do that if theres some kind of official legal request?

Cider

United States198 Posts

September 07 2010 11:44 GMT

Yeahh I was just coming over to website feedback to make a thread about this. Really interested to see TL's response to Artosis/Tasteless's request.

Carnac

Germany / USA16648 Posts

September 07 2010 11:51 GMT

we are discussing it

Cider

United States198 Posts

September 07 2010 11:53 GMT

Thanks for the quick response =)

Butigroove

Seychelles2061 Posts

September 07 2010 12:28 GMT

you should jsut take them down once GOM fixes their shit.

Rhodan

Australia232 Posts

September 07 2010 12:30 GMT

I sincerely hope you don't, even if you can get onto the free stream (which most of the time I have tried, it says its full), its so laggy its unwatchable.

Meanwhile I can watch someone on livestream or ustream streaming it without much of an issue

mikado

Australia407 Posts

September 07 2010 12:30 GMT

Nothing to discuss, the lq-stream was just full after the first game. I couldn't watch a single game after that, wtf was that if not a failure on GSL's part? I say restream your hearts out. GSL is limiting lq-stream numbers so you give in and buy the hq-stream, ridiculous.

Zzoram

Canada7115 Posts

September 07 2010 12:30 GMT

I think that restreamers help advertise gom at the moment since the gom streams can't handle the load right now. I can understand unloading streams if the gom streams were actually working.

DreamScaR

Canada2127 Posts

September 07 2010 12:31 GMT

Although they are demanding it, and they did say that it was illegal. Sometimes there aren't other options with their servers getting so flooded with people trying to watch. Thankfully my stream on the Gom player was able to stay alive the whole time. I think before even going on the thought of banning the re-streamers as a community we should go towards Gom to say that their servers are unable to handle the mass amounts. Yes, they don't get the viewer hit count from their site, but all the sponsor relay and messages do get heard.

ComusLoM

Norway3547 Posts

September 07 2010 12:32 GMT

#10

Yeah I'm pretty much of the mind that re-streams should only be allowed if the majority of users on TL (over 5k people were watching the re-streams at the end there) are having trouble accessing the LQ stream through the GOM player.

Scarecrow

Korea (South)9172 Posts

September 07 2010 12:34 GMT

#11

If gomtv fixed their registration system I wouldn't have needed to watch restreams in the first place. Assuming the low quality is any good.

I'd be much more sympathetic if they weren't actively trying to kill proleague.

Doko

Argentina1737 Posts

September 07 2010 12:35 GMT

#12

What is stopping people from making a new livestream / ustream account? I can understand teamliquid not wanting to get involved but don't think for a second that it will stop people from doing it.

If GOM has load balancing issues and actually wants to improve their service until they do so it shouldn't be a problem for them to let people re-stream until its fixed.

Otherwise they are just sending a very specific message. "We don't care about you if you are not paying", which is totally fine from a business point but not in the best interest of the e-sport scene.

sleepingdog

Austria6145 Posts

September 07 2010 12:35 GMT

#13

I'm from europe, and even when I can access the LQ-stream it is completely unwatchable due to lag - when ppl from the US restream it, the lag pretty much disappears because the connection europe/US is much better than europe/korea

in order to kinda "support" gomtv I ended up leaving the LQ-stream in the gom-player open while watching the lag-free re-stream....but that obviously can't be any solution to anything

Cider

United States198 Posts

September 07 2010 12:35 GMT

#14

On September 07 2010 21:31 DreamScaR wrote:
Although they are demanding it, and they did say that it was illegal. Sometimes there aren't other options with their servers getting so flooded with people trying to watch. Thankfully my stream on the Gom player was able to stay alive the whole time. I think before even going on the thought of banning the re-streamers as a community we should go towards Gom to say that their servers are unable to handle the mass amounts. Yes, they don't get the viewer hit count from their site, but all the sponsor relay and messages do get heard.

Not to be a dick but there are other options... paying for it or not watching it. Just because something is on the internet does not mean you're entitled to have it for free.

DreamScaR

Canada2127 Posts

September 07 2010 12:35 GMT

#15

There's also the aspect of people who are unable to actually get/use the GOM player which is a lot of people at their places of work.

Kiante

Australia7069 Posts

September 07 2010 12:36 GMT

#16

There are ways to watch the stream without signing up to their website. R1ch posted a link on IRC which had a VLC and gomplayer link that you simply open in those programs and you can watch the stream that way, without needing to run a web browser at all. If you come to TL irc during a cast i'm sure someone could link you to this sight (its running off an IP directly so i assume its only being hosted during the casts). Dont quote me on that tho i could be wrong

but thats how i was watching it.

Cider

United States198 Posts

September 07 2010 12:37 GMT

#17

On September 07 2010 21:35 Doko wrote:
What is stopping people from making a new livestream / ustream account? I can understand teamliquid not wanting to get involved but don't think for a second that it will stop people from doing it.

Obviously TL doesn't have the power to stop restreams. However if they didn't show them on the right sidebar and banned the restreamers it would do a lot to help. If they came out and said "listen guys, let's stand with GOM and not support restreamers" a lot of people would listen.

sage_francis

France1823 Posts

September 07 2010 12:38 GMT

#18

no restream = cant watch gsl. thats it.

REDBLUEGREEN

Germany1904 Posts

September 07 2010 12:42 GMT

#19

I think links in the threads should be tolerated until lag issues are gone, but the streams shouldn't be listed on the right side. I guess everyone who can enjoy the gom stream without issues is happily using it, at least it doesn't make much sense to watch a restream if the original is working well for you.

Kaolla

China2999 Posts

September 07 2010 12:51 GMT

#20

i think it would be rather strange to stop restreaming gom while practically anything else can be restreamed... when msl/osl were complaining at other channels (such as youtube) no action was taken either... If gom would make it's stream more accessible and working well, then i could see the point in this, but at rignt now i don't see why you would make an exception for gom...

Also it's not as if they are totally unaware of the number of ppl watching it through streams here. Since it's 100% sure that they do know this, I think it should be very clear to them that their own stream obviously sucks compared to other free streaming services -_- Their arguments seem rather weak to me.