• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 10:01
CEST 16:01
KST 23:01
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
BGE Stara Zagora 2025: Info & Preview27Code S RO12 Preview: GuMiho, Bunny, SHIN, ByuN3The Memories We Share - Facing the Final(?) GSL46Code S RO12 Preview: Cure, Zoun, Solar, Creator4[ASL19] Finals Preview: Daunting Task30
Community News
[BSL20] ProLeague: Bracket Stage & Dates9GSL Ro4 and Finals moved to Sunday June 15th12Weekly Cups (May 27-June 1): ByuN goes back-to-back0EWC 2025 Regional Qualifier Results26Code S RO12 Results + RO8 Groups (2025 Season 2)3
StarCraft 2
General
BGE Stara Zagora 2025: Info & Preview The SCII GOAT: A statistical Evaluation Magnus Carlsen and Fabi review Clem's chess game. Jim claims he and Firefly were involved in match-fixing GSL Ro4 and Finals moved to Sunday June 15th
Tourneys
Bellum Gens Elite: Stara Zagora 2025 Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament SOOPer7s Showmatches 2025 Master Swan Open (Global Bronze-Master 2) $5,100+ SEL Season 2 Championship (SC: Evo)
Strategy
[G] Darkgrid Layout Simple Questions Simple Answers [G] PvT Cheese: 13 Gate Proxy Robo
Custom Maps
[UMS] Zillion Zerglings
External Content
Mutation # 476 Charnel House Mutation # 475 Hard Target Mutation # 474 Futile Resistance Mutation # 473 Cold is the Void
Brood War
General
BW General Discussion [BSL20] ProLeague: Bracket Stage & Dates Will foreigners ever be able to challenge Koreans? BGH auto balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ I made an ASL quiz
Tourneys
[ASL19] Grand Finals [Megathread] Daily Proleagues [BSL20] ProLeague Bracket Stage - Day 2 [BSL20] ProLeague Bracket Stage - Day 1
Strategy
I am doing this better than progamers do. [G] How to get started on ladder as a new Z player
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread What do you want from future RTS games? Path of Exile Nintendo Switch Thread Mechabellum
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
LiquidLegends to reintegrate into TL.net
Heroes of the Storm
Heroes of the Storm 2.0 Simple Questions, Simple Answers
Hearthstone
Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Vape Nation Thread European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
Maru Fan Club Serral Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Korean Music Discussion [Manga] One Piece
Sports
2024 - 2025 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion NHL Playoffs 2024
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread Cleaning My Mechanical Keyboard
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Cognitive styles x game perf…
TrAiDoS
StarCraft improvement
iopq
Heero Yuy & the Tax…
KrillinFromwales
I was completely wrong ab…
jameswatts
Need Your Help/Advice
Glider
Trip to the Zoo
micronesia
Poker
Nebuchad
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 25160 users

Rumors posted on DCInside (24th)

Forum Index > BW General
Post a Reply
1 2 3 4 5 Next All
Milkis
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
5003 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-03 15:26:59
September 03 2010 06:41 GMT
#1
Post on dcinside: http://gall.dcinside.com/list.php?id=starcraft&no=5634924

So apparently, this guy said Manager Cho.. was fired. Shocking fast? He posted it on the 24th. (Translation on Manager Cho)

He also made a lot of other statements. Who knows if the other parts are true~

Translation of the bit that was posted on the 24th



Title: "Hwaseung Manager Out ~ and other news~"

There'll be an article about this soon
I don't know how they'll spin it
Not sure if they'll spin it as a resignation
But he's been fired as of today
Well... doesn't matter if you believe me or not
You'll look at this post later and realize it

Just.... remember what I said

Ah, and the team that'll be disbanding will be Estro... and it's likely to be Korean Air...
And.... CJ already tried to disband last year... they're probably still trying still ~ They did a salary freeze last year or something

If you want to think this is dogshit then go ahead... hehehe, just remember this later and you'll see~~~~


Part 2, posted today/last night


First... the resignation... hrm, we'd have to say "fired"
The reason is that there were a lot of various problems (I hope you guess this yourself, I'm scared. Am I gonna get sued? hehe)....
He got fired because there was an anonymous letter sent to the company... (It arrived anonymously, I don't know the details but it looks like all the bad? things he did during the time were written)

Secondly,,, CJ Disposal was a story that came out before...
I don't know if the Manager's retirement was related to match fixing (If I honestly don't know, I say that I don't know)
But from my guess, I don't think it's related
And I don't personally know what kind of person he is
But I heard he was successful in whatever he did and made a lot of money (I know that he has a villa in Kang Nam and his wife is also well to do)

Yellow Match Fixing...
Well, there isn't anything that has been revealed....
Since there isn't any evidence, there's nothing I can say.
Someone asked if there were other people who match fixed...
There are people who looks like they match fixed but there aren't any evidence so I'm not going to say anything.

But there is someone who is really stubborn kekekeke He said he didnt' match fix to the very end... He's incredible really I'm watching his games and kekekeke
But if he's quick to catch on he'll take care of it himself? (Well it's not like I have real evidence for him but if you look at it it's pretty much... hehehe)

someone asked if the BW industry is ending

Personal opinion but I think it's going into some rather bad places
I want you to think about why the IP negotiations are going on at this timing.
When Starcraft 2 is coming out, when you say you want to play Starcraft 1, what would the company who made SC2 thnk......?

It's not something to just attack KeSPA
People are saying why they're not stopping the Starleague, but if they're stopping the Proleague and just have the Starleague, the Progame teams value of existence will decrease tremendously?
And everything after that... I think you can figure it out even though I don't say anything (I dont know how it'll turn out after this either so i'll tell you guys as i hear it)

Ah, and lastly, I'll tell you a fun story. You know that famous game between Savior and hyvaa match fixing match?
Why I said the acting was so good... Well, honestly, that was a game where Savior was supposed to win.
He knew the build before the match started. So that's why the people involved got the info and bet on Savior...
But Savior hit them on the head and lost lolololol that's why I'm saying that's not acting and it could be real.
But who knows, he and a few other people could have bet on hyvaa and lied to people around him and used a "fake".
But from what I know that's how it went down.

Ah well there's a lot of other things I want to write
I'll wait until the BW industry dies.... i'm scared hehehehehe


About the Yellow question: It was asked by netizens cause his account got hacked, and his original post was edited to say "Yellow match fixed". So he just answers the questions - there's nothing implicating on Yellow in anyway.

Part 3:

The things I've said about the match fixing is not 100% certain. It's true from what I've heard and from the situation. But it could also be the case where it could not be the case ~~~

But there are people who think i'm playing with the public opinion. but that's not why i wrote this~~

I'm hoping you'll just think of it as an entertaining gossip.

Ok bye everyone~


Original Post Part 1, before edit
+ Show Spoiler +

http://whitecosmos.com/sc/random/sdfgdfsgfd.jpg


Original Korean Part 2
+ Show Spoiler +

첫번째 어.. 사퇴... 아니 짤렸다고 해야겠지
이유는 뭐 원래 이런저런 문제가 많았어 (알아서 추측하길바래 나도 무서워 나 고소당하는거아니야? ㅎㅎ)...
회사로 투서가 날라와서 OUT 된거고... (익명으로 날라왔다는데 자세히는 모르겠음 뭐 그동안 했던 안좋은? 것들이 적혀있었을꺼라 봄)

두번째..CJ 매각은원래 나왔던 얘기고....
그 감독 사퇴가 조작하고 관련이있는지는 모르겠음 (난 솔직히 모르는건 모른다고함)
다만 내가 추측하건데 그건 별 관계가 없는것같고
개인적으로 어떤사람인지 나도 잘모르나
다만 하는일마나 족족 잘되서 돈을 많이 모았다는 얘기는 들었음(강남에 뭐 빌라도 있고 부인되시는분도 잘산다고 알고있음)

황신조작이라.......
뭐 밝혀진게 없음..... 증거가 없으니 뭐라 할말이 없음
나머지 조작이 또 있냐고 물었는데
정황상 파악되는 몇명이 있기는 한데 증거가 없으니 딱히 얘기는 안하겠음

다만 아주 좀 역겨운놈이 하나 있긴함 ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ 끝까지 아니라고 했던 그놈
대단하더라 진짜 방송보는데 참내 ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ
뭐 눈치 빠르면 알아서 새기겠지 ? (뭐 이놈도 내가 정확한 물증은 있는건 아니지만.. 정황상 거의 ... ㅎㅎㅎ)

스타판에 망조가 들었네 뭐네 하는데..

개인적 의견인데 아마 좀 안좋은쪽으로 흘러갈것 같다
애초에 지재권 협상 자체를 지금 타이밍에 왜 했을까 생각해보길바래
스타2 나오는 판에 스타1 가지고 놀겠다고 하면 스타2 만든 회사에서 어떻게 생각할까~~~~~~요?

협회만 욕할껀 아니라고 보고...
뭐 스타리그는 왜 안막냐 하는데 프로리그 막아놓고 스타리그만 굴리면 프로게임팀존재 가치가 확 떨어지겠지?
뭐 그다음 수순은 말안해도 알꺼라 생각.. (앞으로 어떻게 전개될지는 나도 모름 들리는데로 알려주겠음)

아 마지막으로 재밌는 얘기 하나 해줄께
마모씨 와 신모씨 조작 동영상 유명한거 있지?
왜 연기가 쩐다 어쩐다 했던거.. 그거 사실은 마씨가 이겼어야 하는 게임이었어
게임전에 이미 빌드를 다 알고있었거든 그래서 관련사람들이 정보듣고 마모씨에 배팅했는데
골때리게 져버린거ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ 그니까 그건 연기가 아니고 리얼일수도있다는거
근데 또 모르지 본인하고 몇명만 신씨에 배팅하고 주변에는 뻥쳐서 훼이크 쓴걸지도
다만 내가 알고 있는 정보로는 그러 하다는거~

아 뭐 좀 다른거 이것저것 쓰고싶은데
스타판 다 망하면 써야겠어 무서워 ㅎㅎㅎㅎㅎ


Part 3
+ Show Spoiler +

뭐 조작 관련은 100% 확실은 아니야 다만 내가 들은바로 정황상으로 확신한다 하는거니까
정말 아닐수도 있는거고~~~

이상하게 내가 여론몰이 한다고 생각하는 모양인데
난 그럴의도로 쓴건 아니였는데 흐미~~

암튼 그냥 재밌는 가쉽거리? 정도로만 생각했으면 좋겠네

그럼 여러분 안녕~


Translating this cause "one part" of his rumors were true. How true are the others? I don't know.

EDIT: FYI Part was posted on the 24th.
EDIT2: lol the article JUST got deleted. fml i didnt copy the korean
EDIT3: Part 2 translated.
EDIT4: Removed the "edited" portion, it was confirmed by the original IP that it wasn't him
EDIT5: Part 3 added
alffla
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Hong Kong20321 Posts
September 03 2010 06:43 GMT
#2
wtf why did CJ try to disband the team???? what would happen to all the players then..

yellow match fixigin? yellow as in hong jin ho yellow !?
Graphicssavior[gm] : What is a “yawn” rape ;; Masumune - It was the year of the pig for those fucking defilers. Chill - A clinic you say? okum: SC without Korean yelling is like porn without sex. konamix: HAPPY BIRTHDAY MOMMY!
orgolove
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Vatican City State1650 Posts
September 03 2010 06:46 GMT
#3
WTF? YELLOW? OMFG KKONG? ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME? OMFG
초대 갓, 이영호 | First God, Lee Young Ho
Milkis
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
5003 Posts
September 03 2010 06:46 GMT
#4
On September 03 2010 15:43 alffla wrote:
wtf why did CJ try to disband the team???? what would happen to all the players then..

yellow match fixigin? yellow as in hong jin ho yellow !?


yeah apparently real yellow.

who knows. maybe it has to do with sc2, and cj trying to leave KESPA. CJ trying to leave kespa influence makes sense since they do have share in gretech. makes sense that both coach chos "resigned"
Mindcrime
Profile Joined July 2004
United States6899 Posts
September 03 2010 06:47 GMT
#5
Also, in terms of the players who match fixed known the the industry insiders....
Bisu Stork July, those three are the most famous, but Yellow didn't fix that much so he's not that known (I'm not saying he didn't match fix)


I knew July threw those games to Flash in GOM s3.

+ Show Spoiler +
tushin
That wasn't any act of God. That was an act of pure human fuckery.
Katsuge
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Singapore7730 Posts
September 03 2010 06:47 GMT
#6
ohmygod the end of broodwar is coming

FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU
김태연 | 정은지 | 아이유 |  한효주 | 이민정 <3 -|||- 소녀시대 에이핑크 사랑해!
razorsuKe
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Canada2000 Posts
September 03 2010 06:48 GMT
#7
ooo, I love this juicy gossip. It's some nostradamus type shit right here, one thing proves to be true... how will the others turn out? O_O
EntusGalleries.com - CJ Uniform Sale
Tippereth
Profile Joined December 2009
United States252 Posts
September 03 2010 06:49 GMT
#8
Even if his one prediction were based on insider information (seems pretty likely, really) and not just a wild guess that turned out to be right, there's no reason to believe the rest of the speculation, because their dispersed nature makes them all coming from the same reliable information that said Coach Cho was out incredibly unlikely.
GTR
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
51416 Posts
September 03 2010 06:49 GMT
#9
end of brood war dun dun dun
Commentator
snowdrift
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
France2061 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-03 06:51:46
September 03 2010 06:50 GMT
#10
On September 03 2010 15:48 razorsuKe wrote:
ooo, I love this juicy gossip. It's some nostradamus type shit right here, one thing proves to be true... how will the others turn out? O_O


I would find the gossip fun if it didn't all point to Brood War dying, and people either jumping ship or getting the boot.
NaDa. Our Lord and sAviOr shall return. Learn to nydus you scrub
p4NDemik
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States13896 Posts
September 03 2010 06:51 GMT
#11
What is going on ... it feels like the entire BW foundation is going to crumble in just a matter of weeks if any of this is true. Multiple teams disbanding, more stars standing accused, long time managers leaving or being fired (?). Whatever ends up being true I feel very uneasy about all this.
Moderator
Milkis
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
5003 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-03 06:54:08
September 03 2010 06:53 GMT
#12
On September 03 2010 15:51 p4NDemik wrote:
What is going on ... it feels like the entire BW foundation is going to crumble in just a matter of weeks if any of this is true. Multiple teams disbanding, more stars standing accused, long time managers leaving or being fired (?). Whatever ends up being true I feel very uneasy about all this.


tbh bisu match fixing has been rumored for a while. a lot of koreans just speculated that the problem was a lot deeper than it was, and kespa just covered shit up so the entire scene doesnt die. match fixing was probably a lot more widespread than what was officially announced.

but they probably won't be charged or anything
Airazor
Profile Joined August 2009
Australia25 Posts
September 03 2010 06:53 GMT
#13
That's crazy, didn't expect so many players to have been match fixing..can't be too good for esports.
Heyoka
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Katowice25012 Posts
September 03 2010 06:53 GMT
#14
thanks gretech you killed starcraft and will then work as hard as you can to kill starcraft 2 hope you feel good in the morning
@RealHeyoka | ESL / DreamHack StarCraft Lead
chongu
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Malaysia2585 Posts
September 03 2010 06:54 GMT
#15
So much depressing sad news.... i dunno what to do if they all come true : ( BoxeR must be really dissapointed
SC2 is to BW, what coke is to wine.
motbob
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States12546 Posts
September 03 2010 07:00 GMT
#16
On September 03 2010 15:53 heyoka wrote:
thanks gretech you killed starcraft and will then work as hard as you can to kill starcraft 2 hope you feel good in the morning

"CJ was trying to disband last year"
"massive matchfixing scandal coverup by Kespa"

Yeah, it's all Gretech's fault lololol.
ModeratorGood content always wins.
phosphorylation
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States2935 Posts
September 03 2010 07:00 GMT
#17
read developements on dcinside
sounds like some retard hacked his account and added info about yellow stork and bisu match fixing
hence, that is unlikely to be true
the rest seems to be true
Buy prints of my photographs at Redbubble -> http://www.redbubble.com/people/shoenberg3
snowdrift
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
France2061 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-03 07:03:27
September 03 2010 07:00 GMT
#18
On September 03 2010 15:53 Airazor wrote:
That's crazy, didn't expect so many players to have been match fixing..can't be too good for esports.


The names are rumors. Sangho was destroyed by rumors. I'm not saying the match-fixing scandal wasn't bigger than what they officially announced, because it probably was, but you can't determine the players involved from hearsay. The big-name players are all too easy targets.
NaDa. Our Lord and sAviOr shall return. Learn to nydus you scrub
supernovamaniac
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States3046 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-03 07:04:40
September 03 2010 07:02 GMT
#19
http://gall.dcinside.com/list.php?id=starcraft&no=5680836&page=1&bbs=

Apparently 2nd post by the same user.

According to the post and comments:

He did not state that Bisu Stork July and Yellow were involved; someone else got the password and edited the words (>.> What)

There's no evidence of Yellow's match fixing. He suspects more people, but there aren't evidences of those players so he won't be stating them (true or trolling?)

But, he does state that one of those suspects is the player who constantly repeated on the television shows 'I was not involved in match fixing'



EDIT: His ID was hacked, according to this post:

http://gall.dcinside.com/list.php?id=starcraft&no=5680888&page=1&bbs=

So Bisu, Stork, and July were written by the hacker.
ppp
Milkis
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
5003 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-03 07:04:23
September 03 2010 07:03 GMT
#20
On September 03 2010 16:00 phosphorylation wrote:
read developements on dcinside
sounds like some retard hacked his account and added info about yellow stork and bisu match fixing
hence, that is unlikely to be true
the rest seems to be true


IP is different. Tons of fakers right now, not sure who to believe atm.

This one is apparently his new post but dunno yet.

http://gall.dcinside.com/list.php?id=starcraft&no=5680836&page=1&bbs=
1 2 3 4 5 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
AllThingsProtoss
11:00
Team League - Grand Finals
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
Hui .283
EnDerr 98
ProTech93
StarCraft: Brood War
Calm 6754
Rain 3146
Shuttle 2465
Horang2 1347
Bisu 874
EffOrt 823
Hyuk 527
firebathero 457
Mini 352
actioN 254
[ Show more ]
TY 115
Hyun 104
sorry 74
Pusan 74
Aegong 65
Sea.KH 54
Barracks 47
sSak 47
Rush 40
Killer 31
sas.Sziky 25
Yoon 24
GoRush 24
Mong 20
JulyZerg 18
Sacsri 17
Sharp 16
Terrorterran 14
soO 12
yabsab 11
ivOry 3
Britney 0
Dota 2
Gorgc6849
qojqva2410
XcaliburYe346
Fuzer 283
syndereN246
Counter-Strike
olofmeister2332
allub352
Heroes of the Storm
Khaldor319
Other Games
singsing2264
B2W.Neo1149
mouzStarbuck457
XaKoH 103
ArmadaUGS77
KnowMe13
Organizations
Dota 2
PGL Dota 2 - Main Stream7610
StarCraft 2
angryscii 41
Other Games
BasetradeTV4
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 15 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Adnapsc2 27
• MJG 6
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• Michael_bg 6
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• C_a_k_e 3852
League of Legends
• Jankos1329
Upcoming Events
Fire Grow Cup
59m
BSL: ProLeague
3h 59m
HBO vs Doodle
spx vs Tech
DragOn vs Hawk
Dewalt vs TerrOr
Replay Cast
9h 59m
Replay Cast
1d 9h
Replay Cast
1d 19h
WardiTV Invitational
1d 20h
WardiTV Invitational
1d 20h
GSL Code S
2 days
Rogue vs GuMiho
Maru vs Solar
Online Event
3 days
GSL Code S
3 days
herO vs TBD
Classic vs TBD
[ Show More ]
The PondCast
3 days
Replay Cast
4 days
WardiTV Invitational
4 days
Korean StarCraft League
5 days
CranKy Ducklings
5 days
WardiTV Invitational
5 days
Cheesadelphia
6 days
GSL Code S
6 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2025-06-05
BGE Stara Zagora 2025
Heroes 10 EU

Ongoing

JPL Season 2
BSL 2v2 Season 3
BSL Season 20
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 2
NPSL S3
Rose Open S1
CSL Season 17: Qualifier 2
2025 GSL S2
BLAST.tv Austin Major 2025
ESL Impact League Season 7
IEM Dallas 2025
PGL Astana 2025
Asian Champions League '25
ECL Season 49: Europe
BLAST Rivals Spring 2025
MESA Nomadic Masters
CCT Season 2 Global Finals
IEM Melbourne 2025
YaLLa Compass Qatar 2025
PGL Bucharest 2025
BLAST Open Spring 2025

Upcoming

CSL 17: 2025 SUMMER
Copa Latinoamericana 4
CSLPRO Last Chance 2025
CSLPRO Chat StarLAN 3
K-Championship
SEL Season 2 Championship
Esports World Cup 2025
HSC XXVII
Championship of Russia 2025
Murky Cup #2
Esports World Cup 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall Qual
IEM Cologne 2025
FISSURE Playground #1
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.