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Yay three more ">" threads to concern us about! Though Jaedong is pretty awesome, I have no right to say anything about this because I wasn't present during when sAviOr owned.
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Jaedong is my #1 player, but this is a silly comparison.
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Jaedong has longevity, but Savior is THE BONJWA.
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Jaedong has never been as scary as Savior was. He is more successful though, as I think he has more titles and, amusingly, has made more money and therefore defines being more successful at his job.
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It is not about those statistics, it is about what each player has given to competitive Starcraft.
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Russian Federation1208 Posts
On April 04 2010 06:10 Megalisk wrote:
Jaedong has longevity, but Savior is THE BONJWA.
He is more BONJWA: he has better results than Savior in all possible meanings
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Russian Federation1208 Posts
On April 04 2010 06:10 TwoToneTerran wrote:
Jaedong has never been as scary as Savior was. He is more successful though, as I think he has more titles and, amusingly, has made more money and therefore defines being more successful at his job.
Statistics say that Jaedong is more scary than Savior was. Personal impressions of scariness are inadequate
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FREEAGLELAND26781 Posts
Savior demolished everybody back in his time (except for Chojja?) but with Jaedong it isn't always certain that he'll win. I think that's a key difference here...
Now, Flash on the other hand...
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On April 04 2010 06:12 Bifur wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2010 06:10 Megalisk wrote:
Jaedong has longevity, but Savior is THE BONJWA. He is more BONJWA: he has better results than Savior in all possible meanings
You really think being a BONJWA is about statistics?
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this thread is begging for over eager fanboyism
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Russian Federation1208 Posts
On April 04 2010 06:13 flamewheel91 wrote:
Savior demolished everybody back in his time (except for Chojja?) but with Jaedong it isn't always certain that he'll win. I think that's a key difference here...
Now, Flash on the other hand...
Nope. Savior didn't demolish everybody back in his time: his statistics say otherwise. He was just better advertised.
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Russian Federation1208 Posts
On April 04 2010 06:14 Catch]22 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2010 06:12 Bifur wrote:On April 04 2010 06:10 Megalisk wrote:
Jaedong has longevity, but Savior is THE BONJWA. He is more BONJWA: he has better results than Savior in all possible meanings You really think being a BONJWA is about statistics?
What do you think it is about? To have a better advertisement?
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Do you see the maps that savior ripped assholes open on?
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This topic will not end well....
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We can't really compare but for sure, if Jaedong is where he is now, it's because some bonjwa before him did what nobody did before. To bring zerg to a new level. You know sAviOr is to zerg what Boxer is to Terran. Players such as NaDa, oov, Flash, Jaedong just continued the jobs these one started.
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Pitcairn19291 Posts
RebirthOfLegend forgot Longinus. What a fucking gay map for zergs.
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On April 04 2010 06:06 Bifur wrote:Right now one can firmly say that  Jaedong surpasses sAviOr in all possible meanings: Elo Peak: Jaedong (2365) > sAviOr (2321) Elo Peak vs Terrans: Jaedong (2241) > sAviOr (2226) Elo Peak vs Zergs: Jaedong (2341) > sAviOr (2218) Elo Peak vs Protosses: Jaedong (2299) > sAviOr (2274) KeSPA Peak: Jaedong (3459.3) > sAviOr (2129.3) Top-1 KeSPA: Jaedong (4+11 months) > sAviOr (1+8 months) Race Top-1 KeSPA: Jaedong (28 months) > sAviOr (14 months) Top-30 KeSPA: Jaedong (41 months and he is still here) > sAviOr (41 months) Gold medals in OSL and MSL: Jaedong (5) > sAviOr (4) Gold medals in other events: Jaedong (3 + WCG GF) > sAviOr (2) The longest winning streak: Jaedong (13) > sAviOr (9) The longest winning streak in ZvT: Jaedong (12) > sAviOr (7) The longest winning streak in ZvZ: Jaedong (10) > sAviOr (5) The longest winning streak in ZvP: Jaedong (15) > sAviOr (11) A couple of months ago Savior had better Elo Peak vs Protosses, better winning streak in ZvP and he was longer at Top-30 KeSPA, but Jaedong has broken these records
Thank you.
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France2061 Posts
On April 04 2010 06:12 Bifur wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2010 06:10 Megalisk wrote:
Jaedong has longevity, but Savior is THE BONJWA. He is more BONJWA: he has better results than Savior in all possible meanings
I'm suspecting that this is a borderline troll thread but anyway --
It's about dominance, not overall titles or even skill level. Savior dominated in a way Jaedong never did. He had a 70% win rate over an eighteen month period and won more titles in a shorter span of time. He had an aura about him that JD never had.
Not to mention that he had a much greater influence on the game -- he's basically the Zerg oov, the player who set the standards that would allow Zergs to actually put up a consistent fight against Terrans over the long haul. Jaedong could be considered the ZvZ bonjwa, and he popularized Luxury's neo-Sauron, but his overall influence isn't comparable. At best, you could say that he's the Zerg Nada, with his strength being his monstrous mechanics, which also explains his longevity.
So if we're talking about absolute skill level, you'd be right, but it's pretty meaningless.
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yeah pretty much agree. jaedong best zerg.
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