EPTJaedong >>> Savior - Page 4
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Amnesia
United States3818 Posts
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sleeepy
Canada777 Posts
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razy
Russian Federation899 Posts
Also blindly following statistics is not the way u'd like to choose if u want to consider urself a clever person. Remember that there is 3 types of lies. | ||
disciple
9070 Posts
On April 04 2010 06:44 Mindcrime wrote: Jaedong has as many starleague golds as those two combined, and is a combined 4-0 against those two in bo5s. which sadly is totally irrelevant cause Bisu is much better looking. but you are right JDs 5 titles > The 7 titles of Bisu and savior combined. | ||
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dementus
Singapore1151 Posts
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thedeadhaji
39489 Posts
The only one with some semblance of relevance is medal numbers. And this is a Savior-anti speaking. | ||
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Vedic
United States582 Posts
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Trowabarton756
United States870 Posts
On April 04 2010 07:32 dementus wrote: I'm sorry, anyone who is so confident he offraces in a Starleague is an instant baller in my book. While i agree and applaud him for his cojanes it would of been better if he actually won. Savior just brings about fear. To be honest I would feel more scared playing savior then I would playing jaedong. | ||
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LucasWoJ
United States936 Posts
What many of these statistics cloud is how incredible savior was in overcoming map imbalance. Jaedong was dethroned (arguably) with the help of terran-favored maps, and struggled in late '08 when the six dragons were helped by protoss-sided maps. These things didn't apply to savior even when they did every other zerg. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=98931 | ||
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7mk
Germany10157 Posts
On April 04 2010 06:53 Bifur wrote: I love Savior and have no intention to discredit him, but if we use your logic, then July is greater than Savior, and Yellow is greater than July and Savior. ??? What are you smoking, that is not his logic whatsoever. His point is that these players lived in a different time and... ugh fuk just reread his post its really not hard to understand. Saying that you cant judge and say that player X is greater than player Y is NOT the same as saying player Y is greater than X, it's just saying that you cant compare these two players just like that. | ||
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KlaCkoN
Sweden1661 Posts
On April 04 2010 07:39 Vedic wrote: You can't compare peak elo in different time periods. Elo is a RELATIVE stat system, so it's only valuable for comparing the skills of players who are playing in the present, or for comparing two elo ratings that were at the same time period. While my understanding of the elo system is far from perfect I believe that you very much _can_ compare stats from different time periods? The only thing would be if Savior played so few games that he didn't get to reach his true rating, however I don't believe that for a second - people forget how much the guy used to lose even in his prime. I mean even with the relativly few games he played (compared to today) he STILL consistently failed to even qualify for the biggest individual league -.- Savior was awsome, still is in a way, but nostalgia really is making people remember him as better than he was imo. | ||
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QQplay
United States229 Posts
On April 04 2010 06:13 flamewheel91 wrote: Savior demolished everybody back in his time (except for Chojja?) but with Jaedong it isn't always certain that he'll win. I think that's a key difference here... Now, Flash on the other hand... Flash only started to own recently. I hadn't heard much of Flash a little more than a year ago. I'd pick JD over Savior :D | ||
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Mindcrime
United States6899 Posts
On April 04 2010 07:30 disciple wrote: but you are right JDs 5 titles > The 7 titles of Bisu and savior combined. not at all what I said | ||
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Ilikestarcraft
Korea (South)17726 Posts
On April 04 2010 06:53 Bifur wrote: I love Savior and have no intention to discredit him, but if we use your logic, then July is greater than Savior, and Yellow is greater than July and Savior. July and yellow both didn't contribute much to modern starcraft. I meant savior and oov are really the main reasons why modern starcraft is the way it is now. It isn't surprising how little zvt has changed from savior's time. Savior and iloveoov are the greatest minds of bw of all time. | ||
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Crt
247 Posts
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FranzF1
Chile1710 Posts
you cant compare 2 diferent era progamers, you can say maybe chojja > savior or idk but plz dont put savior on the same lvl as flash/jd | ||
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konadora
Singapore66158 Posts
On April 04 2010 06:16 Bifur wrote: his statistics say otherwise. stopped reading here. OP has no idea what he's talking about. | ||
LosingID8
CA10828 Posts
On April 04 2010 07:56 QQplay wrote: Flash only started to own recently. I hadn't heard much of Flash a little more than a year ago. I'd pick JD over Savior :D you also probably only started following progaming a little more than a year ago | ||
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dangots0ul
United States919 Posts
On April 04 2010 06:33 jpak wrote: This is so true. Savior's 3 gas hive build and heavy defiler usage created the modern ZvT. based on this premise, the best starcraft player is blizzard | ||
KwarK
United States42575 Posts
On April 04 2010 06:12 Bifur wrote: He is more BONJWA: he has better results than Savior in all possible meanings Savior in his peak had no rivals, he just had victims. JD has never reigned alone. | ||
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