EPTI'm less interested on whether the bill *should* pass -- I just want to TL's thoughts on if it *will* pass.
Health Care Bill passed the House
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lOvOlUNiMEDiA
United States643 Posts
I'm less interested on whether the bill *should* pass -- I just want to TL's thoughts on if it *will* pass. | ||
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DM20
Canada544 Posts
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TanGeng
Sanya12364 Posts
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RoyW
Ireland270 Posts
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blue_arrow
1971 Posts
so now that the bill has passed the house, it's onwards to the senate | ||
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Rotodyne
United States2263 Posts
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TanGeng
Sanya12364 Posts
I don't think it will pass the senate though. | ||
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Undisputed-
United States379 Posts
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SWPIGWANG
Canada482 Posts
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Jadyks
United States119 Posts
Socialism != USSR Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security, these things are socialist programs we already have in place. Wanna bitch about those too? Grow up and stop listening to sound-bytes. Stop listening to republican hot-words like 'socialist' 'communist', this is bullshit. | ||
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Manit0u
Poland17871 Posts
On November 10 2009 01:49 Jadyks wrote: Right, because socialism is a terrible terrible thing. I hate uneducated conservatives. Socialism != USSR Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security, these things are socialist programs we already have in place. Wanna bitch about those too? Grow up and stop listening to sound-bytes. Stop listening to republican hot-words like 'socialist' 'communist', this is bullshit. Yup. There even aren't many communist countried left around. Even Russia claims it's democratic now (it's not, but they claim it is). Also, there are several types of socialism out there, you might want to check it out. | ||
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Sha[DoW]
Canada110 Posts
(That was sarcasm) Honestly, I'm Canadian and I think that centralized Healthcare is an excellent step forward for the US. It is very expensive, but it is also very useful for everyone in the middle class and below in the states. | ||
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dnosrc
Germany454 Posts
Does America have the best health care regarding gunshot wounds? Would people take their guns and let me find out? | ||
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Undisputed-
United States379 Posts
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pubbanana
United States3063 Posts
On November 10 2009 02:04 Undisputed- wrote: Obamacare = legalized stealing Yeah, just say shit. People will believe it. | ||
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agorist
United States115 Posts
Any realistically intelligent economist understands that pure socialism is folly. An attainable form of "socialism" is anarchy. Central planning just will not work. Read some Mises. The United Dtates and most modern countries are state-capitalist (fascism). Fascism and socialism are very alike for a couple reasons; force is required to maintain and institute them, and, some goofy mantra/propoganda is utilized on an indoctrinated public to push the elite's agendas. The most popular tool for the elite to use is class warfare. | ||
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Undisputed-
United States379 Posts
On November 10 2009 02:06 pubbanana wrote: Yeah, just say shit. People will believe it. It's pretty obvious, taxes will be used to pay for it. People who don't pay taxes will be covered under it. Pretty much stealing. | ||
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Ingenol
United States1328 Posts
On November 10 2009 01:49 Jadyks wrote: Right, because socialism is a terrible terrible thing. I hate uneducated conservatives. Socialism != USSR Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security, these things are socialist programs we already have in place. Wanna bitch about those too? Grow up and stop listening to sound-bytes. Stop listening to republican hot-words like 'socialist' 'communist', this is bullshit. This is true, and in line with your statement it should be noted that capitalism != USA. We have never had a truly capitalist economy (it's actually a yet untested political system), and since the New Deal we have basically been more of a "minimally socialist" government, becoming more so all the time. I'm not going to start another huge discussion about the pros/cons of this, simply pointing out people that say, "capitalism clearly doesn't work, look at the US these days" are using an incredibly circuitous, flawed definition of capitalism. They basically hold that capitalism is the economic political system of the United States. While it can certainly be argued that the economic system of the United States doesn't work--and really you can argue that no country's economic system seems to be working--the simple truth is that nobody knows whether or not (true) capitalism will/would work. I say why not try it, but that's a discussion for another time. | ||
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HwangjaeTerran
Finland5967 Posts
On November 10 2009 02:15 Undisputed- wrote: It's pretty obvious, taxes will be used to pay for it. People who don't pay taxes will be covered under it. Pretty much stealing. Nice to hear you Americans love your fellow man <3 What about someone whose taxmoney is used for warfare without his will ? Is it stealing too? | ||
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Ingenol
United States1328 Posts
On November 10 2009 02:11 agorist wrote: No offense; but you guys are rather retarded. Any realistically intelligent economist understands that pure socialism is folly. An attainable form of "socialism" is anarchy. Central planning just will not work. Read some Mises. The United Dtates and most modern countries are state-capitalist (fascism). Fascism and socialism are very alike for a couple reasons; force is required to maintain and institute them, and, some goofy mantra/propoganda is utilized on an indoctrinated public to push the elite's agendas. The most popular tool for the elite to use is class warfare. Nice post. Very few people are willing to admit that facism and socialism are at their core systems under which government--either explicitly (socialism) or implicitly (facism)--attempts to control production. This might also be a good point to mention that the United States Post Office operates at a net loss every year, whereas FedEx and UPS (private companies) show a profit, despite the fact that a system of government regulations prevents them from charging less than USPS for equivalent services. If that doesn't cast doubt on the government's ability to run anything effectively, I don't know what would. | ||
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