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Ian Ian Ian
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
915 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-08-19 17:31:14
August 18 2009 16:48 GMT
#1
I'm sort of new on teamliquid, used to spend alot of time on another forum related to starcraft, but it was relatively small, and not filled with players with so much skill/knowledge etc.

There is a glitch there that we've been trying to figure out for the longest time, bunker freezing. I know mostly everyone here might not have ever seen it before because it doesn't happen in melee, but I'm hoping a couple people might know about it.

Basically just like how you can freeze a turret with a building/dropship/air unit, you can also freeze a bunker by moving anything directly overtop of it so it will quit shooting at you. This used to be common knowledge to me and most of the peole I play with, but we recently discovered that if you freeze the bunker with an air unit that attacks (eg valk/wraith/sair), then drop units by it, the bunker will still continue to not retarget.

Wondering if anone could maybe shed some light on this as to why it happens. I might try and record a video sometime too.

Replays: http://repdepot.net/download.php?type=rep&id=19083&name=IanIanIan vs Epsilon Squadron.rep

http://repdepot.net/download.php?type=rep&id=19084&name=IanIanIan vs Epsilon Squadron.rep

http://repdepot.net/download.php?type=rep&id=19085&name=1 players - T.rep

http://repdepot.net/replay.php?id=19090

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andiCR
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Costa Rica2273 Posts
August 18 2009 16:54 GMT
#2
Weird.. i have never seen this.

Does the flying unit have to be positioned right on top before it finally builds? or does it work by just right clicking a shuttle over it even if it was already built?
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Railz
Profile Joined July 2008
United States1449 Posts
August 18 2009 16:58 GMT
#3
I've seen this happen in larger melee games with turrets which led me to believe it was a sprite issue..
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Ian Ian Ian
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
915 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-08-18 17:01:20
August 18 2009 17:00 GMT
#4
I figured alot of players might not have seen it, simply because of what I said before, you never use it in melee.

Use any flying unit (except sci vessel I think, actually I've never tried it but w/e) and just right click on the bunker. Once it gets on top the bunker should freeze. I usually hit hold pos anyways real quick to make sure if it's a valk or something it doesn't take off. But if you use a building, it'll still shoot at ground units. If you use a flying unit it won't :s

There's another weird situation where I have a ghost bunk to the left of a tank in siege mode, and I move my cc down over top them but above slightly, then send a dropship of 8 probes to drop on the siege tank. If I drop 7 of the probes and keep the last in the ship, the ghosts shoot the cc still, if I drop the 8th probe it retargets :s

And no, not a sprite issue. I should really get a video up. Or I can show you if anyone can get on USEast
pangshai
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
Chinatown5333 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-08-18 17:11:26
August 18 2009 17:07 GMT
#5
can you provide a screen shot of this? i can't seem to replicate it with wraiths, buildings, dropships, valkyries, or science vessels. turret freezing only works with observers though.

EDIT: tried with observers as well, and it doesn't work.
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StorrZerg
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States13921 Posts
August 18 2009 17:07 GMT
#6
so weird. never heard of it
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ForTheSwarm
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States556 Posts
August 18 2009 17:08 GMT
#7
On August 19 2009 02:00 Ian Ian Ian wrote:
There's another weird situation where I have a ghost bunk to the left of a tank in siege mode, and I move my cc down over top them but above slightly, then send a dropship of 8 probes to drop on the siege tank. If I drop 7 of the probes and keep the last in the ship, the ghosts shoot the cc still, if I drop the 8th probe it retargets :s

Holy crap that is a really really wierd senario, ha ha. I don't know what ever led you to try that, lmao.

Cool post though; really interesting.
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andiCR
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Costa Rica2273 Posts
August 18 2009 17:08 GMT
#8
A VOD IS DEMANDED
Nightmare1795 wrote: I played a guy in bronze who said he was Japanese. That was the only game I ever dropped a nuke, which was purely coincidental.
fanatacist
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
10319 Posts
August 18 2009 17:08 GMT
#9
If it never happens in melee then it's irrelevant imo.
Peace~
Phelix
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
1931 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-08-18 17:10:11
August 18 2009 17:09 GMT
#10
Do these bugs might have to do with triggering, and using hyper triggers? I experience/use these bugs on UMS maps to gain an advantage, but I can't do it consistently. Sometimes when I use a Command Center, the bunker keeps targeting it even if i drop ground units to attack, when it should retarget.

Edit:Are you IanIanIan from USEast?
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Ian Ian Ian
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
915 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-08-18 17:13:57
August 18 2009 17:11 GMT
#11
I'm really awful at making VOD's

I could see turret freezing happening in melee maybe, but having to freeze a bunk? Probably not. And a human playe can just unload anyways

I can show you all the situations right now if anyone can get on USEast. My account on there is IanIanIan

On August 19 2009 02:08 For_The_Swarm wrote:
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On August 19 2009 02:00 Ian Ian Ian wrote:
There's another weird situation where I have a ghost bunk to the left of a tank in siege mode, and I move my cc down over top them but above slightly, then send a dropship of 8 probes to drop on the siege tank. If I drop 7 of the probes and keep the last in the ship, the ghosts shoot the cc still, if I drop the 8th probe it retargets :s

Holy crap that is a really really wierd senario, ha ha. I don't know what ever led you to try that, lmao.

Cool post though; really interesting.


And yeah, that made us think it had something to do with worker units. But we couldn't replicate it anywhere else, except where I let one drop die then the next had a worker in it and then it froze or something idk. It was weird

And I don't think they would be inovlved with hyper triggers. I know it's a UMS map that I did it on. But I froze a bunk in melee once too with a dropship, sort of by accident.
ZeroCartin
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Costa Rica2390 Posts
August 18 2009 17:16 GMT
#12
share reps at least. Ive never seen these bugs.
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Phelix
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
1931 Posts
August 18 2009 17:16 GMT
#13
The bugs are pretty weird, but is it relative to Diplomacy-Infinity 2.8a, or does this occur in all UMS maps? Might want to test that out before coming to any other suggestions. I know the unload bug happens in 7.7, but I'm not sure about the rest.
Venture Capital is better off spent on lottery tickets rather than investing in E-Sports; you'll get a far better return. The difference is simple: Koreans are tryharding at the game, foreigners are tryharding in real-life.
Ian Ian Ian
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
915 Posts
August 18 2009 17:18 GMT
#14
Yeah they are all in Infinity. The REALY REALLY weird scenario's I probably couldn't replicate. I bet I could do the others though. Someone work with me cmonn
Phelix
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
1931 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-08-18 20:33:38
August 18 2009 17:20 GMT
#15
Yeah, I'll work with you, I'm trying to figure this out too, and how to do it consistently
Venture Capital is better off spent on lottery tickets rather than investing in E-Sports; you'll get a far better return. The difference is simple: Koreans are tryharding at the game, foreigners are tryharding in real-life.
BanZu
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States3329 Posts
August 18 2009 17:21 GMT
#16
Kinda happens when something flies over a goliath, as the missile shoots and just keep flying in circles and it doesn't attack anymore.

And the most common occurrence in melee would probably be observer over a turret. Not so much in professional games or in iccup since they're both banned glitches that can get you DQed but I've done it before on bnet haha.

I'm guessing it occurs because it's kinda like a vulture planting mines. The vulture can't plant mines unless it moves a tiny distance, as in you can't plant a mine by clicking on the vulture. A turret isn't able to shoot directly upwards so it can't shoot anything directly above it. Maybe it's similar in some way with bunkers and ghosts.
Sun Tzu once said, "Defiler becomes useless at the presences of a vessel."
DreaM)XeRO
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Korea (South)4667 Posts
August 18 2009 17:30 GMT
#17
pics or it never happened
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jiabung
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States720 Posts
August 18 2009 17:35 GMT
#18
On August 19 2009 02:21 BanZu wrote:
Kinda happens when something flies over a goliath, as the missile shoots and just keep flying in circles and it doesn't attack anymore.

And the most common occurrence in melee would probably be observer over a turret. Not so much in professional games or in iccup since they're both banned glitches that can get you DQed but I've done it before on bnet haha.

I'm guessing it occurs because it's kinda like a vulture planting mines. The vulture can't plant mines unless it moves a tiny distance, as in you can't plant a mine by clicking on the vulture. A turret isn't able to shoot directly upwards so it can't shoot anything directly above it. Maybe it's similar in some way with bunkers and ghosts.


obs over turret isn't banned iirc
fanatacist
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
10319 Posts
August 18 2009 17:38 GMT
#19
On August 19 2009 02:35 ilovelosses wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 19 2009 02:21 BanZu wrote:
Kinda happens when something flies over a goliath, as the missile shoots and just keep flying in circles and it doesn't attack anymore.

And the most common occurrence in melee would probably be observer over a turret. Not so much in professional games or in iccup since they're both banned glitches that can get you DQed but I've done it before on bnet haha.

I'm guessing it occurs because it's kinda like a vulture planting mines. The vulture can't plant mines unless it moves a tiny distance, as in you can't plant a mine by clicking on the vulture. A turret isn't able to shoot directly upwards so it can't shoot anything directly above it. Maybe it's similar in some way with bunkers and ghosts.


obs over turret isn't banned iirc

It's banned in pro games and in most tournaments.
Peace~
Shadowfury333
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada314 Posts
August 18 2009 17:45 GMT
#20
Really? I was under the impression that iCCup was one of the last places to allow obs over turret.
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