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This seems pretty important (net neutrality)

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HamerD
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United Kingdom1922 Posts
June 10 2008 16:38 GMT
#1


These people seem pretty vehement that the net neutrality danger lurking in the background is more of a threat than most people, often flippantly, will tell you.

To be honest, I can see how this makes sense. If there were a global agreement between ISP's to net neutrality, then fair enough, you may say that companies that offered 'liberated' internet would stand to just steal all their customers; but in reality don't you think that actually, these companies would be pressured, illegally or otherwise, into eventually conforming? With potentially even governments stepping in to this.

I personally think this is a very important thing. I think that the 1990's were a lot more clamped down and protected than the 00's. The consumer had a lot less power in the 1990's. I think that many people in industry desperately want to return to that.

I can envisage board meetings in which the conclusion reached is that the period of phenomenal profligacy of internet material must be stamped out in the minds of the public as a brief period of confusion.

Potentially, such industry people (if they exist, and they probably do), consider the current internet to be like a child that has been allowed to come into existence; and now they feel like as it grows up, they should exert more control on it, and force it to make money for them, rather than just play around with lolcats and TL.net.
"Oh no, we've drawn Judge Schneider" "Is that bad?" "Well, he's had it in for me ever since I kinda ran over his dog" "You did?" "Yeah...if you replace the word *kinda* with *repeatedly*...and the word *dog* with son"
Jibba
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States22883 Posts
June 10 2008 16:41 GMT
#2
I started watching but the audio was all messed up. All I could hear was BREASTS BREASTS BREASTS BREASTS BREASTS
ModeratorNow I'm distant, dark in this anthrobeat
KaasZerg
Profile Joined November 2005
Netherlands927 Posts
June 10 2008 16:42 GMT
#3
bewbs
Mynock
Profile Joined September 2002
4492 Posts
June 10 2008 16:45 GMT
#4
HamerD
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United Kingdom1922 Posts
June 10 2008 16:48 GMT
#5
lol TUBES Tangela TUBES. But seriously do people just refuse to care about this on TL.net? I wonder how you are all so confident! *waiting for Kwark to come and drop a degrading 1 liner about my undeserved fears*
"Oh no, we've drawn Judge Schneider" "Is that bad?" "Well, he's had it in for me ever since I kinda ran over his dog" "You did?" "Yeah...if you replace the word *kinda* with *repeatedly*...and the word *dog* with son"
Lemonwalrus
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
United States5465 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-06-10 16:50:01
June 10 2008 16:48 GMT
#6
Mynock's video was funnier, but did not contain nearly as much cleavage.

Edit: Seriously though, I cannot take them seriously if they manipulate the video to have her tits on the center frame. And considering their/her past exploits, I don't give a shit about anything they say.
thedeadhaji *
Profile Blog Joined January 2006
39489 Posts
June 10 2008 16:48 GMT
#7
nice preview pic lawl.
HamerD
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United Kingdom1922 Posts
June 10 2008 16:51 GMT
#8
On June 11 2008 01:48 Lemonwalrus wrote:
Mynock's video was funnier, but did not contain nearly as much cleavage.

Edit: Seriously though, I cannot take them seriously if they manipulate the video to have her tits on the center frame. And considering their/her past exploits, I don't give a shit about anything they say.


Why can't you address the text in my op then? These guys are definitely not complete idiots. At least they seem a cut above the typical pseudo-anarchist uni student political activist wanker.
"Oh no, we've drawn Judge Schneider" "Is that bad?" "Well, he's had it in for me ever since I kinda ran over his dog" "You did?" "Yeah...if you replace the word *kinda* with *repeatedly*...and the word *dog* with son"
Deleted User 3420
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
24492 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-06-10 16:54:55
June 10 2008 16:53 GMT
#9
ive seen this chick in videos before

i think her boyfriend is an asshole who plays WoW and makes videos with her because she is hot



but anyways yes this is important
KaasZerg
Profile Joined November 2005
Netherlands927 Posts
June 10 2008 16:55 GMT
#10
srsly This is not going to happen and if it does activism is unable to stop it.
Lemonwalrus
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
United States5465 Posts
June 10 2008 16:55 GMT
#11
On June 11 2008 01:51 HamerD wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 11 2008 01:48 Lemonwalrus wrote:
Mynock's video was funnier, but did not contain nearly as much cleavage.

Edit: Seriously though, I cannot take them seriously if they manipulate the video to have her tits on the center frame. And considering their/her past exploits, I don't give a shit about anything they say.


Why can't you address the text in my op then? These guys are definitely not complete idiots. At least they seem a cut above the typical pseudo-anarchist uni student political activist wanker.

Well, I know that she has pretended that she was going to commit suicide to be an 'activist' about something and made a blog about it and everything, and that, to me, is a pretty wankerish thing to do.

I do think net neutrality is a big issue, don't get me wrong, and I agree with your op, I just think that this hurts their credibility.
HamerD
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United Kingdom1922 Posts
June 10 2008 16:56 GMT
#12
btw I think I phrase my OP wrongly at one point. When I say isps agreeing to net neutrality i mean them agreeing to NOT net neutrality lol.
"Oh no, we've drawn Judge Schneider" "Is that bad?" "Well, he's had it in for me ever since I kinda ran over his dog" "You did?" "Yeah...if you replace the word *kinda* with *repeatedly*...and the word *dog* with son"
Deleted User 3420
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
24492 Posts
June 10 2008 16:59 GMT
#13
On June 11 2008 01:55 KaasZerg wrote:
srsly This is not going to happen and if it does activism is unable to stop it.



it's almost like this post is trying to be a joke
Mynock
Profile Joined September 2002
4492 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-06-10 17:01:45
June 10 2008 17:00 GMT
#14
Btw, my video is relevant, because that is a remix from senator Ted Stevens' speech about Net Neutrality.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Series_of_tubes

(Just so you know the might of your opponents)
HamerD
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United Kingdom1922 Posts
June 10 2008 17:07 GMT
#15
I just think that some people have overlooked the crushing weight of behind-the-scenes financial and political pressure that would be involved in this sort of transition. Pressure on governments and even individuals that run companies and ISPs.

A lot of people very quickly talk about how ISPs will never be allowed, by the customer, to do this, and that the customer will just flip onto a free ISP. However, what if the industry declared these ISPs to have the same status as pirate radio? In fact, 'pirate internet' would be MUCH easier to police because all they'd have to do is take out your internet line. In business, the customers will always choose the most preferable option, but they won't make any more options. They'll just hope that more favourable options are made due to competition. But however when the more favourable options are made illegal, what the hell can the customer do except go to hippe jam band protest concerts?!

Hopefully this will enter the political stage and voters will get a say. Hopefully this movement against net neutrality will become political and not just financial.
"Oh no, we've drawn Judge Schneider" "Is that bad?" "Well, he's had it in for me ever since I kinda ran over his dog" "You did?" "Yeah...if you replace the word *kinda* with *repeatedly*...and the word *dog* with son"
GeneralStan
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States4789 Posts
June 10 2008 17:09 GMT
#16
I came for a serious discussion about Net Neutrality and instead I get bewbz

Got I love TL
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
vGl-CoW
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
Belgium8305 Posts
June 10 2008 17:15 GMT
#17
guys we just made regular internet illegal
you gotta use shitty internet now

what's that? haha no, i'm not hoping to be re-elected in fact i hate my job
Moderatorfollow me on twitter if u think ur so tough @BooyaCow
tec27
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
United States3702 Posts
June 10 2008 17:20 GMT
#18
On June 11 2008 01:38 HamerD wrote:
To be honest, I can see how this makes sense. If there were a global agreement between ISP's to net neutrality, then fair enough, you may say that companies that offered 'liberated' internet would stand to just steal all their customers; but in reality don't you think that actually, these companies would be pressured, illegally or otherwise, into eventually conforming? With potentially even governments stepping in to this.

While the market would normally provide competitors, as you say, there is a problem when it comes to companies that provide Internet service. At least in the US, anyway. Early on, the US government granted many companies monopolies over the fiber within the ground, reaching the point where today the vast majority of fiber underground is owned and licensed out by 3-4 companies. This means that any new companies must rent fiber from the 3-4 big corporations, severely limiting competition. Sad, but true, and I think it makes something that would otherwise be fine unregulated need regulation. (Either that or they somehow find a way to fix the problem they created in the first place =/)
Can you jam with the console cowboys in cyberspace?
HamerD
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United Kingdom1922 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-06-10 17:22:42
June 10 2008 17:21 GMT
#19
On June 11 2008 02:15 vGl-CoW wrote:
guys we just made regular internet illegal
you gotta use shitty internet now

what's that? haha no, i'm not hoping to be re-elected in fact i hate my job


Well what's frightening is that tbh the government might not necessarily get INVOVLED!

These big business like virgin might literally say 'you fucking leave us alone to make money or we're going to fuck you over' to them if they try to interfere. If this decision is purely on a business level, then without some sort of political action stirred up form somewhere, it might very well happen.


PS. I regret the bewbz link ¬¬
"Oh no, we've drawn Judge Schneider" "Is that bad?" "Well, he's had it in for me ever since I kinda ran over his dog" "You did?" "Yeah...if you replace the word *kinda* with *repeatedly*...and the word *dog* with son"
JeeJee
Profile Blog Joined July 2003
Canada5652 Posts
June 10 2008 17:35 GMT
#20
i don't understand how someone can even remotely consider this as a possibility
i mean seriously
(\o/)  If you want it, you find a way. Otherwise you find excuses. No exceptions.
 /_\   aka Shinbi (requesting a name change since 27/05/09 ☺)
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