TL Mafia LX - Page 97

On February 28 2013 11:45 JungleJorge wrote:

I actually didn't. I was honestly leaning town on him until he made such response. Some aspects of his play looked suspicious, while others were too loose and carefree, thus town looking. I opted to make a defense without stating my reasons to get responses mostly from other players who were not commenting on his lynch. I suspected that if I started the trend and he was scum soon enough other players would join me and provide their own reasons. Obviously what I got was much better, basically a scum claim from prom in my eyes.

On February 26 2013 19:09 Aquanim wrote:
And on Prom, do you think his posturing over RNG is necessarily a scum move? Suggesting a RNG lynch while knowing full well it's a terrible idea is a gambit I've seen before, and "gambit" was the first thing I thought when I saw it. Not sure whether people who did it previously were scum or not though. Still, I don't see how it couldn't be town-motivated, as a method to create discussion.

Explain to me how discussion of RNG can stimulate meaningful discussion as townie.

I am now uncertain how you mentality shifted from soft-defending a guy based on "could be town motivation" to clear that is scummy.. when the evidence presented never changed.

On February 28 2013 15:42 MilkSuckler wrote:

• The crux of Wade Fell point(s) was the lack of RNG discussion

The points Wade walked you through introduced nothing that the others points did not already address

On February 28 2013 15:43 Blazinghand wrote:


>MFW people hate on my mad explication sklls

On February 28 2013 15:42 MilkSuckler wrote:

Aqua,

The above is *really* conflicting my thought process on you. I need a fleshed out response.


Please keep in mind the below:

• Our conversation of RNG during the pre-game of NMM37.
  
• The crux of Toad point(s) was the lack of RNG discussion
  
• The crux of VE point(s) was the lack of RNG discussion
  
• The crux of Dr.H point(s) was the lack of RNG discussion
  
• The crux of MilkSuckler point(s) was the lack of RNG discussion
  
• The crux of Wade Fell point(s) was the lack of RNG discussion

The points Wade walked you through introduced nothing that the others points did not already address

On February 28 2013 15:55 VisceraEyes wrote:
Actually the crux of my problem with Prom was the way he attacked WoS but did NOT attack Vivax for the same reasoning...which led to my interaction with him in which he got way scummy. But my main point was the attacking WoS but not Vivax.

On February 28 2013 15:44 Wade Fell wrote:
Wow I'm so bad

quoted for filter purposes

On February 28 2013 15:53 Aquanim wrote:

Well, I'm still convinced that RNG is bad. Discussing it might not have been, and I thought that people were claiming that the gambit itself was scummy. Until Wade emphasised it I hadn't realised just how little effort Prom had put into trying to get it discussed. Perhaps that had been emphasised earlier, I have no idea - this is a large thread and I haven't read it all thoroughly.

In any case, asking WF those questions had another purpose - exploring just how much conviction he had for the case, and how thoroughly he had thought it through.

On February 28 2013 16:02 MilkSuckler wrote:

Do you have something useful to contribute?... cos your e-peen is looking pretty flaccid to me

On February 28 2013 15:55 VisceraEyes wrote:
Actually the crux of my problem with Prom was the way he attacked WoS but did NOT attack Vivax for the same reasoning...which led to my interaction with him in which he got way scummy. But my main point was the attacking WoS but not Vivax.

On February 28 2013 16:07 Wade Fell wrote:


1) yes
2) usually just after climax i am quite flaccid

I want to know specifically how you think RNG discussion can be beneficial to town discussion, considering that was a major reason of you not accepting the case (initially)

Yes? But the idea of a random lynch is good. You should be able to see why. Assuming you don't suck, which I'm assuming.

On February 26 2013 13:55 MilkSuckler wrote:
(1) Conjecture: I have PM correspondance with prome (pre-LX) that state explicitly he is against RNG as it is both anti-town and stupid play.
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(2) Track History: Both Nomination & NMM37 contained proponents of RNG. They were both scum. Though this does not guarantee Prome as scum; it does suggest scum are more willing to run with it than town.
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(1) Outcome: Mentions the RNG play didn't generate the discussion he wanted. Yet responds to people with "pro-town gems" like: "you should be able to see why. Assuming you don't suck". There is no effort in his filter to prompt further discourse; and when others critically query him, he immediately shuts them down with insults.
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(2) The plan: Provides details of the RNG plan to unveil scum - because only scum would support RNG. Ironically scum proponent: Djodref, took a similar stance in Nomination mafia. This is a very convenient stance any RNG proponent can outline; without dispute. The real question is whether prome went out of his way to facilitate discussion and identify RNG supporters. The short answer is: no"
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(2) RNG: You can include RNG as a sudden shift as it lost momentum. The whole play read like a farce with zero commitment.
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His RNG behaviour is classic scum mentality; and I believe if a townie ever pushed for RNG it would be performed with a lot more transparency.