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On February 28 2013 16:25 VisceraEyes wrote:
Frankly the fact that he put so much effort into looking into Vivax for you rather than giving Vivax a once over and getting immediately on looking for scum on his terms speaks volumes in my opinion.
I burned almost two hours on that, it's break time.
I have two names in mind I'll look at when I return, but it's not going to be as comprehensive since, well, I'm probably dead tonight anyway and 4 hours for two cases doesn't jive for me when I could just sleep.
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I had no interest in becoming Pardoner outside of keeping it out of scum hands.
I haven't "voraciously attacked" anyone for bringing up cases or points they made on the subject. Verily, I applauded Milk's case AND agreed with Toad's initial point on Prom.
I'm not scum, so I will admit no such thing.
Protip: just underlining some sentences in quotes of my posts isn't a case bru...try again.
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On February 28 2013 16:29 ObviousOne wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2013 16:25 VisceraEyes wrote:
Frankly the fact that he put so much effort into looking into Vivax for you rather than giving Vivax a once over and getting immediately on looking for scum on his terms speaks volumes in my opinion. I burned almost two hours on that, it's break time. I have two names in mind I'll look at when I return, but it's not going to be as comprehensive since, well, I'm probably dead tonight anyway and 4 hours for two cases doesn't jive for me when I could just sleep.
It's your life pal.
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Holy shit did that just happen?
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On February 28 2013 16:25 VisceraEyes wrote:
Frankly the fact that he put so much effort into looking into Vivax for you rather than giving Vivax a once over and getting immediately on looking for scum on his terms speaks volumes in my opinion.
Yes it does: and none of it necessarily a town tell.
So what does the above mean for you then:
On February 28 2013 16:23 VisceraEyes wrote:
Well it certainly looks like he put a lot of effort into it. I disagree with his conclusion, but that's neither here nor there. My read on him will depend on what kind of effort goes into a scum read of his - not looking into someone at the behest of someone else. Does that speak volumes too?
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On February 27 2013 07:12 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2013 07:05 VayeshMoru wrote:On February 27 2013 07:00 VisceraEyes wrote:
We're both pretty obviously lynching Prom. I'm not sure what you're getting at. Thoughts on more than one you have. Thoughts plentiful the doctor does have. Whichever most fall in a parallel line shall be the course to the voting shine. Yeah okay. Well here's where I'm at. MilkSuckler, Toadesstern, PromethelaxClearly you've seen how Toad is trying to take credit for the Prom lynch. Milk did the same thing directly after WF's case. They have both been downright indignant about it. What do you make of that? For my part I take it as scummy. I'm town, and my thoughts when others agreed was "whew" not "That bastard is trying to take credit for what I DID!" The scrambling for acknowledgement of their contributions to the upcoming lynch reads as trying to soak up town cred to me.
I'll admit that voracious isn't the right word to use, but you did attack them. People should read your filter again.
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Yes, I did. What about it? Why does that make me scum?
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First, milk suckler and milkman are stupid, especially since I tend to shorten both their names to milk, which leads to confusion. I know at least one of them goofed his smurf, could we possibly replace his smurf with his real name?
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On February 28 2013 16:28 MilkSuckler wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2013 16:18 Aquanim wrote:+ Show Spoiler +
I want to know specifically how you think RNG discussion can be beneficial to town discussion, considering that was a major reason of you not accepting the case (initially)
Lemme lay out a possible scenario. - Promethelax runs for mayor on the platform of a RNG lynch
- Someone calls bullshit
On February 26 2013 09:19 JungleJorge wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2013 09:12 Promethelax wrote:On February 26 2013 09:09 MilkSuckler wrote:On February 26 2013 09:07 Promethelax wrote:
1. Vote for me, vote for RNG. I have a 1 in five shot at lynching scum and it will be hilariously awesome,
You gonna include yourself in that RNG dear If I am allowed to lynch myself day one. Yes. I believe in true RNG. Isn't that retarded as both alignments?
- Promethelax tells them they're stupid
On February 26 2013 09:30 Promethelax wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2013 09:19 JungleJorge wrote:On February 26 2013 09:12 Promethelax wrote:On February 26 2013 09:09 MilkSuckler wrote:On February 26 2013 09:07 Promethelax wrote:
1. Vote for me, vote for RNG. I have a 1 in five shot at lynching scum and it will be hilariously awesome,
You gonna include yourself in that RNG dear If I am allowed to lynch myself day one. Yes. I believe in true RNG. Isn't that retarded as both alignments? Yes? But the idea of a random lynch is good. You should be able to see why. Assuming you don't suck, which I'm assuming.
- Entering the realm of hypothesis where town prom did this: some scum attacks prom for making a bad case
On Feburary 30 2013 26:04 Some imaginary scum wroteShow nested quote +Yes? But the idea of a random lynch is good. You should be able to see why. Assuming you don't suck, which I'm assuming. That post is terrible and wrong u scum bro lolol
- Prom nails them for making a shitty case
On February 26 2013 09:07 Imaginary Town Promethelax wrote:Show nested quote +On Feburary 30 2013 26:04 Some imaginary scum wroteYes? But the idea of a random lynch is good. You should be able to see why. Assuming you don't suck, which I'm assuming. That post is terrible and wrong u scum bro lolol yeah the post was stupid but how does it have scum mentality? your case is bad and a townie wouldn't make it no u scum. bro.
tl;dr - baiting scum to attack you (in a way which will expose them as scum) by making an easily attackable post is a conceivable town tactic. ##Vig: AquanimWrong answer The conversation I had with Prome pre-game actually supports your hypothesis. the problem is: promes actions in-game....Which conveniently you quoted for me already  Show nested quote +Yes? But the idea of a random lynch is good. You should be able to see why. Assuming you don't suck, which I'm assuming. Let me bring to the fore points I raised in my case of Prome Show nested quote +On February 26 2013 13:55 MilkSuckler wrote:
(1) Conjecture: I have PM correspondance with prome (pre-LX) that state explicitly he is against RNG as it is both anti-town and stupid play.
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(2) Track History: Both Nomination & NMM37 contained proponents of RNG. They were both scum. Though this does not guarantee Prome as scum; it does suggest scum are more willing to run with it than town.
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(1) Outcome: Mentions the RNG play didn't generate the discussion he wanted. Yet responds to people with "pro-town gems" like: "you should be able to see why. Assuming you don't suck". There is no effort in his filter to prompt further discourse; and when others critically query him, he immediately shuts them down with insults.
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(2) The plan: Provides details of the RNG plan to unveil scum - because only scum would support RNG. Ironically scum proponent: Djodref, took a similar stance in Nomination mafia. This is a very convenient stance any RNG proponent can outline; without dispute. The real question is whether prome went out of his way to facilitate discussion and identify RNG supporters. The short answer is: no"
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(2) RNG: You can include RNG as a sudden shift as it lost momentum. The whole play read like a farce with zero commitment.
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His RNG behaviour is classic scum mentality; and I believe if a townie ever pushed for RNG it would be performed with a lot more transparency.
There is no fucking way a townie goes about achieving a trap like that the way prome went about it. I actually have respect for your play; and know you pride yourself on picking up bullshit like what Prome did. That you turn a blind eye (repeatedly)... well... there is nothing to say
I lol'd
Pretty sure you town though, this feels like town Mocsta logic.
Like I said, I didn't read the entire thread in detail. Your posts are hard to read at the best of times and I didn't read all of your arguments in detail, so if you said it before WF I guess I just didn't see it.
Having looked at the roles I'm pretty sure I can't possibly be dead before the daypost. I'll post my reads sometime.
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On February 28 2013 16:32 VisceraEyes wrote:
What are you asking me?
You said.. OO looking into someone @ my bequest speaks volumes of him
The inference is town (I imagine)
You on the other hand, u said, you wont look into someone @ the bequest of someone
What is the inference then lol?
the comment was tongue in cheek and prob more rhetorical than actual.. Thanks for treating it srs anyways (i think??)
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You went on the offensive to prevent anyone else from getting credit. You've lied multiple times about whether or not you wanted to lynch Prome. You've lied multiple times about whether you're running for mayor. You've intentionally tried to grab at pardoner which is a pro-scum role. You've lied about not trying to take credit for the mayor lynch. There's nothing that can be trusted about you. You're scum.
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Wrong answer
Out of curiosity, what would have been the right answer? If there wasn't one, maybe you oughta reexamine your read for confirmation bias...
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Nonono you're misunderstanding me.
THE EFFORT speaks volumes not the action. He put ALL THAT EFFORT into reading Vivax' filter and pouring over meta and whatever the fuck...for a townread...for you. It looks scummy to me. Why not spend that "2 hours" on putting together a case against someone? He's under heavy attack, he needs to find scum. One of the major points against him is that he's had like no scum reads.
I looked at Obvious' post because it was new and commented on it. There's a vast difference.
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On February 28 2013 16:40 geript wrote:
You went on the offensive to prevent anyone else from getting credit. You've lied multiple times about whether or not you wanted to lynch Prome. You've lied multiple times about whether you're running for mayor. You've intentionally tried to grab at pardoner which is a pro-scum role. You've lied about not trying to take credit for the mayor lynch. There's nothing that can be trusted about you. You're scum.
This is actually funny you're really grasping here. LOL
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[b]Wade Fell[/ Anyone else that knows VE/b]
I assume you know VE game well.
Is he capable of drastically changing up his meta/style between two/three games in a row?
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On February 28 2013 16:41 VisceraEyes wrote:
Nonono you're misunderstanding me.
THE EFFORT speaks volumes not the action. He put ALL THAT EFFORT into reading Vivax' filter and pouring over meta and whatever the fuck...for a townread...for you. It looks scummy to me. Why not spend that "2 hours" on putting together a case against someone? He's under heavy attack, he needs to find scum. One of the major points against him is that he's had like no scum reads.
I looked at Obvious' post because it was new and commented on it. There's a vast difference.
Awesome.. I was fucking hoping you meant that. Cool
I would love to say that was a "trap".. but yes.. was just honest misinterpretation 
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On February 28 2013 16:40 Aquanim wrote:Out of curiosity, what would have been the right answer? If there wasn't one, maybe you oughta reexamine your read for confirmation bias...
Yo MilkSuckler, I'm not dead quite yet. Answer the question.
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On February 28 2013 16:43 MilkSuckler wrote:
[b]Wade Fell[/ Anyone else that knows VE/b]
I assume you know VE game well.
Is he capable of drastically changing up his meta/style between two/three games in a row?
Yes. Trust no one.
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On February 28 2013 16:40 Aquanim wrote:Out of curiosity, what would have been the right answer? If there wasn't one, maybe you oughta reexamine your read for confirmation bias...
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=399294¤tpage=97#1940
You gave the right answer... thats why it is the wrong answer.
You have proven you understand the reasoning behind town/scum logic with RNG discussion.
Yet is clear VERY clear.. promes actions do not support the sound reasoning you proposed.
You even quote his behaviour and turn a blind eye.
For me:
This actually for me proves you are scum.. you KNOWINGLY turned a blind eye to what you know (as a townie) *stinks*
I conclude with:
On February 28 2013 16:28 MilkSuckler wrote:
##Vig: Aquanim
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