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On November 16 2012 09:45 iamperfection wrote:
like i misspoke as well before hopeless in regards to s&b
Yes, but the number of times that clarity says DP is his scum read, does nothing about it, and manages to make that mistake are not things I'd consider 'being a town player'.
I don't have a strong argument for why it was heavily scum motivated. I can make one up to suit my case, but I could do that to every player in the game. We lynched Hapa in a clusterfuck of a last minute shitstorm. Associative tells go to shit. 'Pushing a scum agenda' reads go to shit. I found what I thought was non-town behavior and I made a case.
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Please re-read my filter and look at when I mention darth or ask him a question.
Now look at when darth showed up in the thread day 1.
Now compare the two.
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Night action deadline has passed. No night actions can be changed. Day post coming in an hour.
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Blazinghand
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Well, I was hoping it'd go over your heads but I guess we're a bit too perceptive. I might get RBed tonight anyways, but I hope scum bought it somehow. Here's my crumb:
On November 15 2012 14:54 Blazinghand wrote:
And I know you guys are gonna hate me for thus, but uh, yeah, I'm not a JK. Monday I had some family issues come up and it meant I wouldn't have much time to play through today, so I had to fake claim. Thursday and onwards I'm free though. Of course everyone is gonna be like super mad at me for this, but it worked, okay? Okay.
This, and the post after it, explicitly contradict everything I've ever said about how mafia is played, and are posts I would never make, which should direct you towards the crumb itself: am too as a reference to the typical argument you'd get into a sibling, in which they say you are not, and you proclaim "am too". I am indeed the JK, and this minor deception was neccessary to get a chance at using my power.
In any case, I saved DP tonight. I really wanted to not save him because he's kind of a worthless dick who wants to lynch me, but he's also the townest player in the game, and he's not a blue, so I don't have to worry about roleblocking him. Also, he's like probably getting shot, as I mentioned earlier-- and if he was shot I wouldn't have to deal with the fountain of sewage that he considers rational discourse.
Hopefully I don't get roleblocked, and I save DP with all the glory that is the JK power. I considered attacking with my power to shut down the night kill, but it's easier to determine who they're gonna shoot than who they are, and by JKing DP I gaurantee I'm not interfering with our detective.
In any case, we'll see how night actions bear out, but the two circles that need to be squared by anyone saying I'm scum still stand.
In terms of my chief suspicions tonight they are probably Marv but definitely Hopeless1der. Even a most trivial glance at Hopeless1der's WLLIA filter (link) shows that he isn't the kind of guy to make these weird, long cases based on nothing. He is a concise poster and when he makes a case it's usually brief but informative.
Contrast Hopeless1der's D1 case on BKE from WLLIA:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=16733608
and its continuation:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=16737634
With his D1 case this game:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=16901864
and his "list post" which has no equivalent from his WLLIA play:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=16905396
Though admittedly he wasn't in any real danger of being lynched during WLLIA D1, which could have changed his reaction, this still is a big departure from his play.
Looking at his case against clarity tonight, which is long, poorly argued, and based on poor logic, I see this is a departure from Hopeless1's meta in the last game I played with him. Now, one might argue he's trying to improve and write bigger cases, but given that the case quality has actually decreased between this game and WLLIA mafia, I'm willing to say that this is probably not the case. He's playing differently and worse.
I'll be around to discuss for the next hour, and of course depending on what happens come day post this case may change or grow accordingly.
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Darthpunk is the towniest and most likely not blue? Scum are likely to target Darthpunk?
I don't follow that logic, at all.
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Okay everyone, out of the woodwork its safe to post now
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If marv is scum he is playing amazing. He's so pro-town, and every time I get this nagging feeling about him I look at his filter and think "nah, there's no way"
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Blazinghand
United States25563 Posts
On November 16 2012 10:03 Clarity_nl wrote:
Darthpunk is the towniest and most likely not blue? Scum are likely to target Darthpunk?
I don't follow that logic, at all.
I think he's towny and not blue because of how he acted when he was gonna die.
On November 15 2012 10:47 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On November 15 2012 10:46 Clarity_nl wrote:On November 15 2012 10:45 marvellosity wrote:
yeah this is gonna be a mislynch Starting to feel that way. I'm having a hard time explaining why though. I don't think scum would go out trying to push a lynch on me, however ill-explained it may be. Also, he changed his position between his two "death posts" which indicates he actuall read and thought between them
He changes his mind between his two "Death posts" which only really makes sense as a townie re-reading and re-evaluating the thread before he dies. Also, given that he thought he was gonna be lynched, if he was a blue he'd have claimed it 100% for sure. So I know I'm not stopping any blue actions with this JK. Honestly, if I were scum I'd probably shoot DP, even though he's wrong on BH, because he's the townest-looking player, not by his analysis or skill (definitely not, actually) but by how he acted under pressure.
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iamperfection- The slayer of hapa the perfect one the perfect town player
marvellosity- Do not lynch. Extremely likely to be town. He has been very engaged and his heart is into this case. He obviously know about hapa super case but i honestly think he would be really depressed if he rolled scum again.
debars- Very Probably town. Hapa wanted to kill him very badly and almost succeeded. LIke marv been very active and engaged cares about who gets lynched.
Kickstart- Likely town. Would have taken quick thinking on his part if he was scum to bus in that quick of a snap which as a very new player i think it would have been very hard for him to do.
strongandbig- His VT claim felt natural so gonna go with town. Should be more engaged. funny that he called me lazy before. Cool story bro.
DarthPunk- Was the hammer vote on hapa. Could have saved hapa by simply not hopping on the wagon if he was aware. His agression towards me and bh was kind of weird as well as his seemingly angriness after the flip. However i think he may of just be taking offense to being a potential "mislynch"
Clarity_nl- i dont really know what to think about him. Has had a good activity but he didnt vote hapa. But i said before thers not much there that i would say is scummy. But i would keep an eye on him. The shut up stuff towards bh when he suggested hapa was obviously not good either.
Z-BosoN- i have no idea what to think about him. his coming at me i guess might be good but i didnt really understand his case so he could be trying to create mislynch options??? Also hapa was kind of defending him somewhat when he was a possibility of being lynched.
Hopeless1der- Looks really bad for mostly things potentially outside his control in regards to hapa. Hapas wishy washyness twoards him is obviously not good but i think from my first game Hopeless can eventually look pretty townie if he is in town. Judge him by what he does going forward
Blazinghand- idiot. Still leaning not scum though. His lynch would bring me enjoyment though but sadly we must try to win don't we.
People i would like lynched
Crossfire- Ill sheep marv on this one he provided good reasons to explain his bh case out of left field being scummy.
thrawn2112- His play is unacceptable. he has another game going like dp but unlike hasn't really bothered to anything. Voted for dp for similar reason i did yet being in the same circumstances as him weird. This guy is also capable of being an activity fiend and hasn't. Dosen't seem to care about much of anything. Really only talking about bh the most in his filter without many comments on other players at all besides dp.
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Blazinghand
United States25563 Posts
On November 16 2012 10:05 Clarity_nl wrote:
If marv is scum he is playing amazing. He's so pro-town, and every time I get this nagging feeling about him I look at his filter and think "nah, there's no way"
Marv is an amazing scum player in general-- he's never lost as scum and he plays a pro-town game as either. I wouldn't lynch him D2 though just because he seems "too pro-town". DT would do well to check him.
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those are in order of towniest to scummiest by the way.
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On November 16 2012 10:06 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2012 10:05 Clarity_nl wrote:
If marv is scum he is playing amazing. He's so pro-town, and every time I get this nagging feeling about him I look at his filter and think "nah, there's no way" Marv is an amazing scum player in general-- he's never lost as scum and he plays a pro-town game as either. I wouldn't lynch him D2 though just because he seems "too pro-town". DT would do well to check him.
I lost as scum in the last game you hosted dear.
Checking me is a fucking ridiculous use of a check.
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Blazinghand
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On November 16 2012 10:07 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2012 10:06 Blazinghand wrote:On November 16 2012 10:05 Clarity_nl wrote:
If marv is scum he is playing amazing. He's so pro-town, and every time I get this nagging feeling about him I look at his filter and think "nah, there's no way" Marv is an amazing scum player in general-- he's never lost as scum and he plays a pro-town game as either. I wouldn't lynch him D2 though just because he seems "too pro-town". DT would do well to check him. I lost as scum in the last game you hosted dear. Checking me is a fucking ridiculous use of a check.
Well yeah I wouldn't check you N1 cause there's no reason to lynch you D2
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On November 16 2012 10:07 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2012 10:06 Blazinghand wrote:On November 16 2012 10:05 Clarity_nl wrote:
If marv is scum he is playing amazing. He's so pro-town, and every time I get this nagging feeling about him I look at his filter and think "nah, there's no way" Marv is an amazing scum player in general-- he's never lost as scum and he plays a pro-town game as either. I wouldn't lynch him D2 though just because he seems "too pro-town". DT would do well to check him. I lost as scum in the last game you hosted dear. Checking me is a fucking ridiculous use of a check.
I agree, since if you are town there is a big chance of you getting nk'd tonight.
I'm actually surprised you don't get a townie vibe off of me iamp.
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On November 16 2012 09:48 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2012 09:46 iamperfection wrote:On November 16 2012 09:44 Blazinghand wrote:
Hopeless' case is utterly unreasonable marv wants the vig to shoot you. are you aware? Not a good use of a vigi shot given that we have lurkers. Marv is smart enough to know this, but he's (pretending to be?) mad at me so he wants to shoot me anyways.
we don't have lurkers, really. we have Crossfire who is lynchable, not simply for lurking. And thrawn. and that's it.
Explain why you called Z-Boson town, then voted him and called him scum.
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Blazinghand
United States25563 Posts
Also lol I remember that game now  well, Marv almost always wins as scum so the point remains mostly valid. He's just a good player to keep alive in general though.
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you have bis suspicions on marv bh really?
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Blazinghand
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On November 16 2012 10:09 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2012 09:48 Blazinghand wrote:On November 16 2012 09:46 iamperfection wrote:On November 16 2012 09:44 Blazinghand wrote:
Hopeless' case is utterly unreasonable marv wants the vig to shoot you. are you aware? Not a good use of a vigi shot given that we have lurkers. Marv is smart enough to know this, but he's (pretending to be?) mad at me so he wants to shoot me anyways. we don't have lurkers, really. we have Crossfire who is lynchable, not simply for lurking. And thrawn. and that's it. Explain why you called Z-Boson town, then voted him and called him scum.
Cause I changed my mind on DP
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oh my god BH is a complete idiot if he saved DP.
fucking god save me.
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