EPTI would definitely not describe this game as damn fine work, although fubas crumb was really good.
When I get home I will make a case against you VE. I hope you will respond to it rather than just disregarding me as a garbage player.
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kushm4sta
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I would definitely not describe this game as damn fine work, although fubas crumb was really good. When I get home I will make a case against you VE. I hope you will respond to it rather than just disregarding me as a garbage player. | ||
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VisceraEyes
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kushm4sta
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VisceraEyes
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iamperfection
United States9640 Posts
On October 09 2012 08:48 VisceraEyes wrote: Interesting choice of words - I think Kreb is a fine player. I just think his case is bad because it mostly revolves around marvellosity...a crafty, very skilled scum player that we will NOT be WIFOMing today. you believed that marv was crafty yet you said node was town? On October 04 2012 05:02 VisceraEyes wrote: Node is almost certainly not the scum. There was a very real possibility that he would have been lynched and annul was right, a bus in that situation would have been pretty suboptimal. Marv is definitely the scums. Whoever he never mentions in the game I'd probably have a hard look at. Otherwise I haven't reread the game (as I said I would :<) so I'm crippled until I do. BC what do you think of Mattchew? So you understand marv is crafty but believe it was out of the realm for marv to be on a wagon for node? | ||
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DarthPunk
Australia10854 Posts
I don't see any reason not to believe BC's Vet claim. If he is a KP 3rd party it will son become obvious and then we lynch him. If he has no KP why do we care? It will be obvious later if he is lying. I think the claim was fairly pointless and looks scummy as fuck. I mean come on. Oh I have a watcher claim. I caught scum but only tell you after that scum already flips. and nothing else besides that. It's a really easy claim to fake as scum. and there is not a rock solid breadcrumb to back it up. | ||
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Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
risk.nuke First off, I agree with iamperfection's point about risk. I don't think Hapa (before he was caught by fuba) would have been pushing him so hard if risk was scum. Some more reasons why I think that he is town: go back and look at Dwarf Fortress Mini and compare his filter to here. So many things feel the same, from his lurking, to randomly throwing out a big case, down even to his anger when people call him out. And I lead a mislynch on him in that game for all of those things. After the risk lynch went through, marv pm'd me on irc and told me why that lynch was a mistake: risk may be lurky/etc/etc, but he has one very distinct town tell; however sporadic, he DOES put effort in. I don't 100% think that he is town (in general, I am loathe to give 'guaranteed town' reads), but there's no way that I would want to lynch him tomorrow, or even the day after that. Pretty much only at LYLO would I give him a good, hard look. VisceraEyes This is a much less...concrete...read, having never played with VE. But I have a pretty thorough friendship with marv, and I've talked to him at length about how we both play Mafia in general. And, I just don't see scum marv buddying so hard with a scum VE on day 1, especially when VE had been in some hot water all game. I feel that the much more likely explanation is that town VE was sheeping marv (which, IIRC, is something that he likes to do) with the Node vote, and marv was just playing off of it. Part of that is something that marv specifically said to me once: "You're never going to catch me as scum on day 1 based on some behavioral tells" which I 100% believe. It's been said time and time again, but he's just too crafty to give away extra teammates of his like that. Call that WIFOM if you want, but I just don't see it. slOosh Here's where I think we have our scum. Look at his opinions on the Node switch and why he picks Shady over Node: On October 02 2012 12:33 slOosh wrote: Guh didn't realize how much time I actually take to read. Between Node and Shady Sands I'm leaning Shady. With a total lack of follow through after his troll antics, he has disrupted early day discussion and dropped off. Not lynching him today on the basis of a potential modkill is stupid - he could easily trade his life for hurting day 2 discussion as well and he might not even be lynched. The nature of the Node lynch is really strange. Reason enough to lean the former. ##Vote: Shady Sands On October 02 2012 12:49 slOosh wrote: Node is scummy. I think what you found about his post was valid. However we can only lynch 1 at a time and I find Shady a better target for the reasons I stated. The strangeness of Node's lynch was that there was a disconnect between the push and the votes - you tossed out a bunch of names and his was just picked up. It's enough to sway me to Shady. So Node was scummy, but the only reason he decided to vote Shady instead was because the swing wagon felt "strange", which was enough that Shady's trolling made him more likely scum than Node. That reasoning feels so weak to me that its hard to believe that was the thought process of a townie. Aside from that, its kind of hard to put into words. It just doesn't feel like...he's actually trying to help town? I mean, he's been pretty lurky, but he was lurky in LVII as well. But in that game, even as third party that really had no care for what happened in the actual game, he still went out of his way to help town by finding scum and pushing them. He just hasn't done that this game. Again, it feels a lot like Dwarf Fortress Mini (he was scum), where he just comes in occasionally and remarks on the current goings-on in the thread and then stayed pretty disassociated from the game for the rest of the time. I'm going to get food right now and I'm not entirely sure I'll be back before deadline (hence why I'm posting now instead of waiting until deadline), but if I don't go do anything else after dinner and have time I'll write up some thoughts on kush and maybe more people when I get back. | ||
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DarthPunk
Australia10854 Posts
I also agree that it is strange for hapa to have pushed risk so hard if he was town. I know this is somewhat WIFOM. But I don't see the point of Immediately pushing your scum buddy after you lose marv. I feel Like VE fits into that whole group of scummy/lurking vets. BC Matt Sloosh VE etc. They can't all be scum. But out of that group I think Matt and Sloosh look the worst. Also Shiao Pi continues to lurk so I don;t know wtf is up with him. Yeah his meta has him sort of inactive. But not as badly as this game. It could be a by product of the boring past cycles. But I would be watching him. | ||
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BroodKingEXE
United States829 Posts
On October 09 2012 06:10 Mementoss wrote: well of course thats what your gunna claim because thats the only way you would be town, its possible though I don't know if its true lol. I said SK because I just relate 3rd party with SK for some reason. Well this post answers my first question. The reason Im asking is that there are a bunch of unaccounted kills then. Two people die N1 and one N2. I highly doubt scum have 1KP or that we have meds and vets everywhere. | ||
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BroodKingEXE
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kushm4sta
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But the thing is everyone knows that they like to buddy up. As scum they are trying to imitate their town play. So wouldn't it make sense that they would also buddy up as scum? | ||
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Coagulation
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Coagulation
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On October 09 2012 11:44 kushm4sta wrote: Keirathi says marv and VE buddying up means VE isn't scum. But the thing is everyone knows that they like to buddy up. As scum they are trying to imitate their town play. So wouldn't it make sense that they would also buddy up as scum? yeah but its a moot point cause they buddy up every game regardless. | ||
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VisceraEyes
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But feel free to take that with a grain of salt. | ||
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Promethelax
Canada7089 Posts
On October 09 2012 11:46 Coagulation wrote: PUSSY DESTROYER What the fuck are you doing? Kier: good point on Risk. I'll take another look, how about Matt? I feel like he would contribute more as town than he is contributing right now, since reactivating he has done nothing. RL happens but when you (Matt) are actively lurking and not posting there is a problem. Speaking of RL my fiance just came back from thanksgiving with her family. I'll be a little busier in the coming days and certainly less active (except when I post from school while bored with class). | ||
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slOosh
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To all concerned that I'm not playing like I usually do - you are all using meta terribly. My playstyle is reactive. I poke and prod and gather information and then bust out a case. If people are lurking and give 1 line responses I can't do my thing. Now that we finally have an open lynch tomorrow and people are actually posting you can expect my "regular" play. Excusing BC because the benefits of an SK is ridiculous - we don't know the nature of the 3rd party role, and people are forgetting that it has some higher order win condition that ends the game. BC is the best lynch for tomorrow. We have mementoss' claim, and you can see even how he reacted to the claim by discrediting him ("horribly bad townie or mafia") instead of trying to come to mutual understanding. | ||
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Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
Sorry, only 8 minutes left to deadline and I don't think I have enough time to really scour through and try to come up with a more refined opinion than that. Now to kush: I hard defended kush on day 1, while simultaneously bashing his play with everything that I had. Because scum-meta kush is known to flip-the-fuck-out when you start railing on him. I kind of thought it was a good idea, and that if I could get him to flip out that maybe it would give me a better read of him, since his play in general is so ass-backwards that its hard to really decide. However, in GSL II, he played a pretty damn rage-free game as scum. That convinces me that he took Hapa's advice at the end of Newbie XXVII (I think?) to heart, and realize that if he kept the attitude up as scum that he would be caught easily by stronger players. Combine that with the fact that marv was godfather and could have been mentoring him and reminding him to keep his cool and it makes me rescind my earlier hard defense. That being said, I really don't think I'm anywhere close to having a solid read of him. I could certainly make a case for him being scum, but he has such weird lapses in logic even as town that I just can't dismiss the possibility yet. | ||
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BlackMamba24
United States277 Posts
Day 4 ![[image loading]](http://crimescenecleanupdetroit.com/Images/gallery/CrimeSceneCleanupDetroit15.jpg) Good morning once again from Liquid City's #1 trusted source for news. Our top story this morning once again revolves around the ongoing investigation of the recently uncovered crime family, led by the now passed Don Marvellosity. We have information coming in from the south side of Liquid City about a pair of homicides believed to be connected to the city's organized crime. We sent lead reporter HiroPro to the scene of the crime to find more. Hiro? Thanks, BioSC. We are here at Liquid City's 12th district in the south side, where witnesses heard multiple gunshots from outside this very apartment complex. Sources tell us that the assailants pulled up in an unmarked black car and mowed down two residents here. I spoke with the police department here and found that one of the victims, one Promethelax, was a member of Liquid City's police force, along with his roommate, BroodKingEXE. Understandably, the investigation unit did not have much to comment further, as a member of their own office was shot down. They reassure us they are doing everything they can to bring the remainder of the Crime Family to justice. A memorial service for the fallen officer will be held later today. Back to you, BioSC. Thank you, Hiro. We here at Liquid City News offer our condolences to the families of Promethelax and BroodKingEXE. BroodKingEXE, the Concerned Citizen, has been killed! Promethelax, the Vigilante, has been killed! Two years ago, your former partner executed a drug mule behind the dumpster of a convenience store. The call came from the cashier around midnight, reporting suspicious activity behind his store. You parked the car around the front and went inside to talk to the clerk while your partner went around back. He told you he saw a lady pacing out front with a syringe poking out of her purse. About thirty minutes ago, she went around the back of the store. The clerk checked the CCTV cameras and she was crouched behind the dumpster on her phone, holding the needle in her hand. A single gunshot rang out. You ran out of the store with your revolver drawn. Panicked. Worried that something had happened to him. But he was standing over that womans body with his boot on her neck. She attacked him with the needle. A few weeks later, you found out from a previous case file that she had been on the run for stealing drugs from the mafia. Not long after the incident, your partner bought a Mercedes-Benz. Six months ago he was found in a portable toilet with his throat slit. Apparently, he was offering services to a rival family. The mafia didn't like that too much. The Police Chief closed the case just three days into the investigation. "Attacked by a junkie." You joined the force to serve and protect. Not to negotiate your way onto the mafia payroll. It's time to take justice into your own hands. You are the Vigilante. The corrupt police force have made it impossible to do any good for the city while you're on duty. Once during the game, you can target a player at night to kill. Be careful who you select. You can be killed at night. You can be lynched. Reminder: There are no hints, flavor is just flavor. Day 4 has started, you have 48 hours to decide the next lynch. | ||
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slOosh
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Coagulation
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