EPTFor your convenience I have compiled a list of every post from known mafia members referencing Infundibulum I found it very interesting. The list hear includes any most made that had the word "Infundibulum" in it no matter how deeply nested in quotes or spoilers, I hope you find it just as enlightening as I.
Bumatlarge:
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On August 09 2010 14:54 bumatlarge wrote:
:/ is this now a joke game? Here's the deal.
1. Lynch some more inactive person like oh gee i dont know
Artanis[Xp]
KF91
Pandain
Amber[LighT]
iNfuNdiBuLuM
Roffles
larjarse
SouthRawrea
BrownBear
Forgive me if they have been active but i havent seen to much of them.
2. If you really want to accuse someone, do it with one simple post. Bold their name at the top and then analyze all you want. Mafia like nothing more then when EVERY SINGLE PERSON point to the person next to them. Honestly who hasnt been accused of being a "certain scum"
Just calm down, and present your argument CLEARLY. We can then democraticly discuss this and vote on a proper lynch victim.
3. We have information hopefully that mafia doesnt have. If you are a well informed town keep it to yourself unless someone is confirmed. I.E. We kill the GF, because no one is confirmed until that person is dead. Include that in your gigantic analyzing also.
Thank for riding Bum airlines.
:/ is this now a joke game? Here's the deal.
1. Lynch some more inactive person like oh gee i dont know
Artanis[Xp]
KF91
Pandain
Amber[LighT]
iNfuNdiBuLuM
Roffles
larjarse
SouthRawrea
BrownBear
Forgive me if they have been active but i havent seen to much of them.
2. If you really want to accuse someone, do it with one simple post. Bold their name at the top and then analyze all you want. Mafia like nothing more then when EVERY SINGLE PERSON point to the person next to them. Honestly who hasnt been accused of being a "certain scum"
Just calm down, and present your argument CLEARLY. We can then democraticly discuss this and vote on a proper lynch victim.
3. We have information hopefully that mafia doesnt have. If you are a well informed town keep it to yourself unless someone is confirmed. I.E. We kill the GF, because no one is confirmed until that person is dead. Include that in your gigantic analyzing also.
Thank for riding Bum airlines.
On August 09 2010 15:21 bumatlarge wrote:
Not sure if im following... You realize mafia might have framer and roleblocker, right?
Not sure if im following... You realize mafia might have framer and roleblocker, right?
Tree.hugger
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On August 10 2010 03:36 tree.hugger wrote:
All the fun is gone because he blew it. But we have better targets to go after.
Or you could just explain for him instead of being unhelpful and spamming?
Basically Youngminii's posting has deviated drastically from the posting in his previous two games. He's resorted to chainsaw attacks against those who accuse him.
All the fun is gone because he blew it. But we have better targets to go after.
Or you could just explain for him instead of being unhelpful and spamming?
Basically Youngminii's posting has deviated drastically from the posting in his previous two games. He's resorted to chainsaw attacks against those who accuse him.
Misder
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On August 13 2010 09:39 Misder wrote:
PMs from/to Foolishness
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And I already stated that bumalarge and I do not have PMs
PMs from/to Foolishness
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Can you vote youngminii?
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Who else do you think is in the mafia? I will try to do analysis to the people on the list. Probably one that is newer cause you know the older ones much better.
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VayeshMoru is BloodyCobbler, he accidentally gave it away.
If you haven't done so, please vote for youngminii, we need to keep the pressure up to find out for sure what alignment he is. The earlier we do it the better, since if he defends himself well (which he hasn't so far) we'll have enough time to switch to somebody else.
I could see Roffles being a ninja, but not DTA. I think DTA is just a townie this game, but I haven't had time to focus on any of these two players so this is just inital thoughts.
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Ok, the other game that youngminii was in was the Godfather Mafia. I don't actually know how this system goes, but I can still do analysis on this. This was the mafia game that got youngminii a reputation of doing really well. He was townie this game the entire time. In that game, he posted about ~10% of the posts in that thread. This was a 20 person game, so on average, one should post ~5%. Granted, he was one of the last people alive in that game, but I will still say that he still 'spammed'. Actually, while I was reading his posts, it actually seemed like he mostly posted good plans/analysis instead of actual spam, or at least he 's balancing it out. He goes through plans, and figure out holes in them so that the town can make a better one. A lot of his posts are three sentences or lower, but most of these posts aren't really spam. His longer posts are always really good, either a plan or analysis. When he talks to others, he is mostly like, "but you're wrong". Its not really angry, more like, you're stupid. He's very proactive in this game, like a town leader. Even though it was his first game, he is talking to everyone, and if I didn' know better, I would think that he was a veteran at the game.
The game that you and I were in the same game as him, it seemed much more spam, but there were still some good posts in there. He did cause a lot of problems in PM land, and he could have done much better. When he was under attack, he was angrier. I'm not sure if you read the thread after you died or not.
As for actual improvement, he claims that he is trying to spam less. However, it seems very very out of his style. idk. If he wasw trying to improve, I still think that he would write good posts like he did in his first game, but right now, he isn't doing that. It seems like he is posting less, but its like all spam and defending himself. He is also getting angry.
On different people, does it seem to you that roffles and DTA are ninjas? And what do you think of VayeshMoru? Do you think he is a smurf, and if so, of who?
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Yeah, I still say do the analysis anyways. It's night time now but don't take too long. This is also his 3rd game according to your list. I only played in one with him (I died first night) so I have no idea what he did in the other game.
We must be careful to account for actual improvement. Yes, he did spam a lot when he was a townie. He got criticized harshly for it. I'd expect him to tone it down a little bit as he'd figure too much is too much at some point.
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I'm sorry. I didn't have time to do what you requested. I will probably be able to do it tomorrow during the night in the game where I won't be doing much anyways.
My analysis without going actually looking for stuff: During the last mafia game in which I was with youngminii in, I was always thinking of lynching him if it wasn't for being a confirmed townie. I think this game he's a bit more passive, but he did spam a lot in the beginning of the day. I think that he's afraid to make a mistake and get lynched. I'm inclined to say that he is mafia or a blue role just because he is more cautious, but you never know.
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Okay. I think this is love1another's second game cause I seem to remember seeing his name before.
It's only the first day, should frankly you don't have a lot to of by in terms of trusting me. But right now I'm providing you a way to analyze people based on their past games. If I was mafia I'm pretty much helping you find my allies.
youngminii looks the most interesting right now. What you can do is go look at his past 2 games and read his posts, then compare to what he's doing this game. I've played one game with him so I sort of know a bit about it but that's it. Look at what his role was each game and compare to this one.
Things you might want to consider are: frequency of posting, length of posts (lengthy posts compared to one-liners), interaction with other players (does he yell at others or is he passive?). I know he kinda has a big ego, so look to make sure that's consistent through all his games.
I won't be able to catch up on the thread until close to day end unfortunately.
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New
VayeshMoru
love1another
LSB
larjarse
2nd mafia game
Pandain
SouthRawrea
3rd mafia game
Divinek
youngminii
rastaban
Misder
Artanis[xp], bumatlarge, Jayme, Hesmyrr all have more than 3 games
I think this is right. Question: why should I trust you?
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yeah yeah whatever, we got some work to do.
Right now I'm trying to draw a preliminary mafia list. Kinda hard cause nobody's sticking out this game (compared to last game I had 2 mafia members pegged relatively easily, of course I was totally wrong about 2 others I thought for sure as well).
Here's what you can do to help the both of us right now. Get a list together of everyone in the game who has never played before. Then get a list of people who this is their second or third game.
I ask you this because there are multiple people here I am not very familiar with, including yourself. Getting their records straight would be beneficial.
To start, the people I know well (so you don't have to check up on them) are: Chezinu, BM, Pyrry, DTA, Xelin, Amberlight, chaoser, brownbear, KF91, infundibulum, iaaan, OPZ, tree hugger, roffles.
Anyone not on that list should have played a total of less than 3 games. Knowing which games they've played in is good because then we can compare their behavior to deduce what role they might be.
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Hey! My first PM ever besides role PMs! Youngminii and Pandain are always spamming in the previous game. They both acted pretty scummy last game, but both turned out town. I don't think that Divinek spammed last game in the beginning tho. But Divinek hates me probably because of the way I played last game, which I don't blame. I always play like that though... That leads to another question. Can you help me improve my play? I feel like I act a bit on the scummy side, even though I am town.
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Yo, we gotta get to talking eventually so better sooner than later. What do you think of the youngminii divinek Pandain trio? They have all been incredibly active and have provided enough spam to feed a family of four for a month.
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Who else do you think is in the mafia? I will try to do analysis to the people on the list. Probably one that is newer cause you know the older ones much better.
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VayeshMoru is BloodyCobbler, he accidentally gave it away.
If you haven't done so, please vote for youngminii, we need to keep the pressure up to find out for sure what alignment he is. The earlier we do it the better, since if he defends himself well (which he hasn't so far) we'll have enough time to switch to somebody else.
I could see Roffles being a ninja, but not DTA. I think DTA is just a townie this game, but I haven't had time to focus on any of these two players so this is just inital thoughts.
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Ok, the other game that youngminii was in was the Godfather Mafia. I don't actually know how this system goes, but I can still do analysis on this. This was the mafia game that got youngminii a reputation of doing really well. He was townie this game the entire time. In that game, he posted about ~10% of the posts in that thread. This was a 20 person game, so on average, one should post ~5%. Granted, he was one of the last people alive in that game, but I will still say that he still 'spammed'. Actually, while I was reading his posts, it actually seemed like he mostly posted good plans/analysis instead of actual spam, or at least he 's balancing it out. He goes through plans, and figure out holes in them so that the town can make a better one. A lot of his posts are three sentences or lower, but most of these posts aren't really spam. His longer posts are always really good, either a plan or analysis. When he talks to others, he is mostly like, "but you're wrong". Its not really angry, more like, you're stupid. He's very proactive in this game, like a town leader. Even though it was his first game, he is talking to everyone, and if I didn' know better, I would think that he was a veteran at the game.
The game that you and I were in the same game as him, it seemed much more spam, but there were still some good posts in there. He did cause a lot of problems in PM land, and he could have done much better. When he was under attack, he was angrier. I'm not sure if you read the thread after you died or not.
As for actual improvement, he claims that he is trying to spam less. However, it seems very very out of his style. idk. If he wasw trying to improve, I still think that he would write good posts like he did in his first game, but right now, he isn't doing that. It seems like he is posting less, but its like all spam and defending himself. He is also getting angry.
On different people, does it seem to you that roffles and DTA are ninjas? And what do you think of VayeshMoru? Do you think he is a smurf, and if so, of who?
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Yeah, I still say do the analysis anyways. It's night time now but don't take too long. This is also his 3rd game according to your list. I only played in one with him (I died first night) so I have no idea what he did in the other game.
We must be careful to account for actual improvement. Yes, he did spam a lot when he was a townie. He got criticized harshly for it. I'd expect him to tone it down a little bit as he'd figure too much is too much at some point.
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I'm sorry. I didn't have time to do what you requested. I will probably be able to do it tomorrow during the night in the game where I won't be doing much anyways.
My analysis without going actually looking for stuff: During the last mafia game in which I was with youngminii in, I was always thinking of lynching him if it wasn't for being a confirmed townie. I think this game he's a bit more passive, but he did spam a lot in the beginning of the day. I think that he's afraid to make a mistake and get lynched. I'm inclined to say that he is mafia or a blue role just because he is more cautious, but you never know.
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Okay. I think this is love1another's second game cause I seem to remember seeing his name before.
It's only the first day, should frankly you don't have a lot to of by in terms of trusting me. But right now I'm providing you a way to analyze people based on their past games. If I was mafia I'm pretty much helping you find my allies.
youngminii looks the most interesting right now. What you can do is go look at his past 2 games and read his posts, then compare to what he's doing this game. I've played one game with him so I sort of know a bit about it but that's it. Look at what his role was each game and compare to this one.
Things you might want to consider are: frequency of posting, length of posts (lengthy posts compared to one-liners), interaction with other players (does he yell at others or is he passive?). I know he kinda has a big ego, so look to make sure that's consistent through all his games.
I won't be able to catch up on the thread until close to day end unfortunately.
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VayeshMoru
love1another
LSB
larjarse
2nd mafia game
Pandain
SouthRawrea
3rd mafia game
Divinek
youngminii
rastaban
Misder
Artanis[xp], bumatlarge, Jayme, Hesmyrr all have more than 3 games
I think this is right. Question: why should I trust you?
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yeah yeah whatever, we got some work to do.
Right now I'm trying to draw a preliminary mafia list. Kinda hard cause nobody's sticking out this game (compared to last game I had 2 mafia members pegged relatively easily, of course I was totally wrong about 2 others I thought for sure as well).
Here's what you can do to help the both of us right now. Get a list together of everyone in the game who has never played before. Then get a list of people who this is their second or third game.
I ask you this because there are multiple people here I am not very familiar with, including yourself. Getting their records straight would be beneficial.
To start, the people I know well (so you don't have to check up on them) are: Chezinu, BM, Pyrry, DTA, Xelin, Amberlight, chaoser, brownbear, KF91, infundibulum, iaaan, OPZ, tree hugger, roffles.
Anyone not on that list should have played a total of less than 3 games. Knowing which games they've played in is good because then we can compare their behavior to deduce what role they might be.
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Hey! My first PM ever besides role PMs! Youngminii and Pandain are always spamming in the previous game. They both acted pretty scummy last game, but both turned out town. I don't think that Divinek spammed last game in the beginning tho. But Divinek hates me probably because of the way I played last game, which I don't blame. I always play like that though... That leads to another question. Can you help me improve my play? I feel like I act a bit on the scummy side, even though I am town.
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Yo, we gotta get to talking eventually so better sooner than later. What do you think of the youngminii divinek Pandain trio? They have all been incredibly active and have provided enough spam to feed a family of four for a month.
And I already stated that bumalarge and I do not have PMs
On August 14 2010 10:06 Misder wrote:
I claimed to Xelin as townie, but he PMed me first. I sent it late, so I'm not sure if you got it.
I'm starting to believe that larjarse is actually just a town idiot. He just has nothing to do. However, he still has not defended my post against him, so I don't think I'm going to change my vote. I think that bumalarge and youngminii are both good lynch targets; I just think that larjarse should defend himself before I change my vote. And it gives him something to do
I claimed to Xelin as townie, but he PMed me first. I sent it late, so I'm not sure if you got it.
I'm starting to believe that larjarse is actually just a town idiot. He just has nothing to do. However, he still has not defended my post against him, so I don't think I'm going to change my vote. I think that bumalarge and youngminii are both good lynch targets; I just think that larjarse should defend himself before I change my vote. And it gives him something to do
On August 15 2010 15:23 Misder wrote:
I was just giving the reason that Foolishness gave me.
I was just giving the reason that Foolishness gave me.
On August 15 2010 15:46 Misder wrote:
Alright, if someone checked me, and I came up as mafia, then I can only give one explaination; that there is another framer in the mafia. I think this makes sense, since from what I've heard, we have at least 3 trackers. I'm not sure how many of these are true, but, if flame lets the town have 3 trackers, then he may as well have given the mafia 2 framers. This is my only explanation, as I know that I am town, and I will defend myself against any more claims.
And btw, VM is not confirmed. He may as well be part of the mafia, and this may be part of his plan. I'm not sure, but remember, VM is actually BC and will trick you all, just like he tricked the town last game... We shouldn't be too quick to listen to him, at all.
Alright, if someone checked me, and I came up as mafia, then I can only give one explaination; that there is another framer in the mafia. I think this makes sense, since from what I've heard, we have at least 3 trackers. I'm not sure how many of these are true, but, if flame lets the town have 3 trackers, then he may as well have given the mafia 2 framers. This is my only explanation, as I know that I am town, and I will defend myself against any more claims.
And btw, VM is not confirmed. He may as well be part of the mafia, and this may be part of his plan. I'm not sure, but remember, VM is actually BC and will trick you all, just like he tricked the town last game... We shouldn't be too quick to listen to him, at all.
BC told me last game, when you make a list always include 1 mafia in it. Look at Bum's inactive list, this is the closest anyone gets to actually talking about Infun in this entire section.
Tree has 1 single post that references Infundibulum's name, and he is merely quoting a line.
Misder's posts are all third hand.
It seems strange to me that those that call out inactivity would ignore Infundibulum. In fact the three known mafia, in all their posts over the entire course of this game have only said his name ONE TIME!!!!
Why? he is there kinsman and with his hiding behind the scenes if they were to even slightly finger him he would have to come into the public spotlight and reveal his colors. The mafia not only wants to be clean, but they don't want to be linked. That is the bane of the mafia because if one falls then they all can. So they separate themselves from one another, but in doing so they are actually creating a link by virtue of the missing information. We have here a gaping hole where there should be words.
