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VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
June 06 2012 00:15 GMT
#161
Now, Katina, tell me it surprises you. Go on, I could use a good laugh. ^^

I say it every game - my vote is a tool. People react to pressure, and my vote helps to lend that telling pressure. Do you think it's scummy? Because I couldn't help but notice that you left that out of your astute analysis of my votes.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25555 Posts
June 06 2012 00:17 GMT
#162
On June 06 2012 09:13 VisceraEyes wrote:
It's almost as if MrZ is trying too hard to put on an air of "I don't give a shit if I'm scummy"-townie isn't it?

Ugh...as I said, I'm going to go home and flow-chart this shite and see if anything jumps out at me.

BH can I ask what brought on the change in playstyle? I mean, not that I mind - but I DO kinda miss the fun-loving Paint-slinging BH of old. I understand the bit about you toning down your language, but that doesn't account for the other nuances that made you such a joy to play with...what gives bro?


If you check my most recent games you'll notice this was the case there as well. After getting banned from iGrok's game I decided to rethink my overly aggressive gif/mspaint posting style in which I called people shitty dicks.
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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MrZentor
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1648 Posts
June 06 2012 00:22 GMT
#163
On June 06 2012 09:09 Blazinghand wrote:
I'd like to hear what MrZ and Navillus have to say about each other.

Currently their most recent positions are:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2012 06:14 MrZentor wrote:
Because Navillus accuses me of doing that, he picks somebody whom nobody has accused, regardless of how suspicious Hyaach actually is. (Hyaach seems to be a lot like furerkip, a bit anti town but not scummy.)

In summary, he votes for somebody who isn't really suspicious, just so he himself doesn't look suspicious.

Guilty much?

Which seems like a pretty aggressive case compared to his relatively mild G_403 case.

And
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2012 05:51 Navillus wrote:
Now looking at the votes on him I get suspicious, VE's vote which is now moved was very fast and didn't go on much, he basically read a couple of posts where artanis points this stuff out and says his meta is different and jumps on. This is suspicious but even more FOS: Mr.Zentor he has a couple posts about VE that don't indicate much then his first post where he says something solid is him jumping on ghost for 1. admitting that he is bad at reading VE which makes no sense and 2. for not following up on furer which I've mentioned. It just looks like Zentor isn't trying to talk about reads or cases, he just wanted to jump in and vote someone people were already suspicious of

Which seems like a pretty aggressive case compared to his relatively mild Hyaach case.

This looks to me like 2 players who seem interested in making cases at each other without voting each other. Which is scummy. Distancing is a typical scum tactic.




Also:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2012 06:14 MrZentor wrote:
I voted for ghost, because he's the most suspicious person. Whether or not other people also think he's scummy is irrelevant.


This is so bad I'm not even sure it's scummy. Like, whether or not people think someone is scummy is super relevant. If you think ghost is scum, you should make a really good case and convince everyone he's scummy. You can't lynch him unless other people also think he's scummy. It's like the most relevant thing in the world, and it's kinda the reason you make a case along with your vote.


I made my post on Ghost before Navillus made his super scummy post, so of course I couldn't vote for Navillus when he hadn't acted scummy yet, unlike Navillus, who voted for Hyaach instead of me in the same post.

But you are right, Navillus is more scummy than ghost.
##Vote: Navillus
[br]

On June 06 2012 09:13 VisceraEyes wrote:
It's almost as if MrZ is trying too hard to put on an air of "I don't give a shit if I'm scummy"-townie isn't it?

Ugh...as I said, I'm going to go home and flow-chart this shite and see if anything jumps out at me.

BH can I ask what brought on the change in playstyle? I mean, not that I mind - but I DO kinda miss the fun-loving Paint-slinging BH of old. I understand the bit about you toning down your language, but that doesn't account for the other nuances that made you such a joy to play with...what gives bro?


To be honest, I don't see how I seem scummy, so of course I'm not going to care about it.
Falling’s just like flying, except there’s a more permanent destination.
Navillus
Profile Joined February 2011
United States1188 Posts
June 06 2012 00:43 GMT
#164
Okay clearly this isn't going to work out how I wanted so I'll say, I voted Hyaach for pressure, as VE said the vote is a tool, right now one of the things in the front of my mind for generally how the game should play out is lurking because if you look at MTG, a recent game where I was scum, we won by almost universally lurking and letting the town destroy itself from the inside out.

Because of this I'm particularly aware of how easy it is to start scumhunting on the active people when everyone talking can turn out to be town, I voted Hyaach because his only posts were pretty useless for getting reads (at least for me) and I wanted to make sure he would come back with more, I also didn't want to state that it was a pressure vote as so many people do because then there's obviously no weight behind it.

I'm only saying this now because with everyone looking at me Hyaach doesn't need to worry about my vote at all, I also saw no need to vote MrZ (who I admit I do see as more scummy right now if only because I don't have anything to read hyaach) right now, we have a full 24 hours to go, I think MrZ's scummy but want to make sure that even if I think I someone's scum now that as many people talk and give solid opinions as we can get over the rest of the day.

Per that I'm keeping my vote on hyaach, he needs to contribute, if he does and I like what I see my next choice would probably be MrZ.

On that note Zelblade, Snarfs, and Paindain need to be talking more.

@VE and Ghost - What do you think about BH right now?

@ Artanis and Shraft - After me (and artanis after ghost) who do you find most suspicious?
"TL gives excellent advice 99% of the time. The problem is no one listens to it." -Plexa
ghost_403
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1825 Posts
June 06 2012 01:20 GMT
#165
I'm willing to give blazinghand that he's calmed down after some of his more recent games, but I don't think that's what brought out his change in playstyle. The way I see it, one of the hallmarks of his style is not abuse, but aggression. I'm not comfortable with how, early on, he didn't really accuse anyone of anything, instead squandering his posts on game mechanics instead of scum hunting.

That being said, I do like his recent aggression towards MrZentor, who I think is scummy. At the moment, I'd be happier lynching MrZentor today over blazinghand. His posting is empty.

Can someone point me to the case against navillus? Art said that Shraft posted it, but I can't find it.
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MrZentor
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1648 Posts
June 06 2012 01:40 GMT
#166
Ghost I am bothered by the statement "His posting is empty."

I know my first two posts weren't great, as there wasn't much to discuss at the beginning, but I feel everything else has contained information.

Can you show specific posts of mine that seem "empty" instead of posting vague, inaccurate statements?
Falling’s just like flying, except there’s a more permanent destination.
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
June 06 2012 01:57 GMT
#167
I'm going to have to agree with Katrina in that BH is playing awfully weird. I haven't actually ever played a game with him(though I have observed), but the fact remains he has drastically changed his playstyle in the last day or so.

More importantly, its the way that he's accusing. It feels like he's trying to make an argument rather than find scum, as all his arguments start out with the mindset that he is scum. Case in point is Mr. Z, where he refers to him being scum on the basis of "he didn't have the balls to"... etc....

That's a really common scum mistake imo. Scum tries so hard to make a case that they end up being aggressive on a personal level, almost condenscending. Townies could act that way, but only if it was part of a larger, more intense debate.

##Vote Blazinghand
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
June 06 2012 01:58 GMT
#168
I'm not interested in lynching BH today.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
MrZentor
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1648 Posts
June 06 2012 01:59 GMT
#169
Also Ghost, why haven't you pointed out Furer's posts that looked scummy?
Falling’s just like flying, except there’s a more permanent destination.
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
June 06 2012 02:00 GMT
#170
Day 1 Vote Count


VisceraEyes (1)
furerkip

Blazinghand (4)
Katina
Snarfs
VisceraEyes
ghost_403
Pandain

ghost_403 (0)
VisceraEyes
MrZentor

MrZentor (2)
Blazinghand
VisceraEyes

Navillus (2)
Artanis[Xp]
MrZentor

The day ends in 20 hours at 22:00 GMT (+00:00). With 13 players alive, it takes 7 to lynch.
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25555 Posts
June 06 2012 02:13 GMT
#171
Pandain I want to hear your thoughts on MrZ and Navi
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25555 Posts
June 06 2012 02:14 GMT
#172
On June 06 2012 10:57 Pandain wrote:
Scum tries so hard to make a case that they end up being aggressive on a personal level, almost condenscending.


I've heard a lot of complaints about my play throughout the years but "It's weird that blazinghand is so aggressive" is not one I'm familiar with.
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
TL+ Member
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
June 06 2012 02:17 GMT
#173
I honestly don't care about Zentor or navillus. They aren't posting enough to gauge an accurate read.

I do care about you though. And even if you don't get lynched, I will shoot you.

+ Show Spoiler +
Realize I accidently claimed blue, and my role isn't important enough to justify having medic protection I'm vigilante.
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25555 Posts
June 06 2012 02:18 GMT
#174
lol wut
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25555 Posts
June 06 2012 02:18 GMT
#175
dude you are aware there are like RBs and shit in this game
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
June 06 2012 02:19 GMT
#176
You have until tonight to prove to me your not scum Blazinghand.

gl
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25555 Posts
June 06 2012 02:19 GMT
#177
there's like no way that's a legit claim
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
TL+ Member
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
June 06 2012 02:21 GMT
#178
On June 06 2012 11:18 Blazinghand wrote:
dude you are aware there are like RBs and shit in this game


But that's the beautiful part. I fake claim every game I play.

Mafia honestly don't know if I'm telling the truth or not. I may be fucking batshit, or I may be honest.

If I'm telling the truth, and they roleblock me, then
a.) We find out information about you(why would they protect you)
b.) They don't roleblock a medic/detective.

If I'm lying, they just roleblocked a regular dude and wasted a power.

MrZentor
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1648 Posts
June 06 2012 02:21 GMT
#179
I was starting to wonder if anybody had noticed the "as blue we" line or if everybody was afraid of pointing it out.

BH, remember this?

On June 06 2012 01:30 Pandain wrote:
There is too much talk on VE and Furer. To start out, claiming miller was indeed a good move if town. It gives information to us and suggests that as blues we not check him, allowing us to use our powers on other people.

VE is almost certainly town. There's a small chance he's a badass serial killer, but for him to have claimed(vulnerable to counterclaims) requires an element of risk which I do not think the SK would use. There is almost certainily not 2 millers in this setup, as having two "false" townies, as well as all the other Alignment-Confusing roles would just decimate the cop's role.

Since the risk of being counterclaimed would be so damning, I do not think that VE would have claimed miller if he was mafia/SK. Especially so soon as the day started.

Furer is just playing poorly, but his play does not reek of scum. He voted rashly against VE, the very first(and only) vote so far. I do not think mafia would risk bringing so much attention to themselves. He's not only single handedly try to lynch VE, but he's done it with a reckless aura that excludes mafia.

I think Mr. Zentor is very suspicious, and should be looked at instead. He's offered very weak arguments, suggesting he does not want to force his opinion onto the town. He's offered vague statements that do not really put himself out there("a bit rash", "would probably", "I think, but we should") which do not prove him being mafia but merely cause me to be watchful.

I am also somewhat suspicious of Navillus, but it is more of a general feeling than specific evidence.

Falling’s just like flying, except there’s a more permanent destination.
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25555 Posts
June 06 2012 02:22 GMT
#180
In fact, if you really were a vigilante, you'd probably think "oh, this is a mini. a godfather or framer isn't super likely since i'm the town's power role, they probably have an RB" and wouldn't claim in the middle of D1.

Do you really have no thoughts on MrZ and Navi, which like everyone else seems to have thoughts on?
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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