EPTSeems he's barely been talked about recently and now it's all on Fool (austin seems to be liking it too). Which I thinnnnk is a mistake.
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
Seems he's barely been talked about recently and now it's all on Fool (austin seems to be liking it too). Which I thinnnnk is a mistake. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
On January 25 2014 22:00 Promethelax wrote: If we can find four players which contain the two scum we will win. We have two mislynches this game (unbalanced blah blah blah. Rage) and have eliminated four players from being suspect. There are five possible candidates for the lynch so for town to win we have to exonerate a single member of the Kita/fool/WoS/toad/VE group. Which of those do you exonerate? WoS or fool? I don't really get the point of desperately trying to exonerate one player. Just lynch the two mafia. It's not that complicated. | ||
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Promethelax
Canada7089 Posts
On January 25 2014 22:05 marvellosity wrote: I don't really get the point of desperately trying to exonerate one player. Just lynch the two mafia. It's not that complicated. So you think VE/toad team? | ||
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marvellosity
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Promethelax
Canada7089 Posts
So, do you think VE and toad are the last two scum? Who of fool/WoS/Kita is the least likely scum? Who is the most likely? Simple question with simple answers. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
what are you doing? what stuff doesn't make sense? like my post is literally ordered... ? hoppity hop, i want to go exercise. | ||
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marvellosity
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Promethelax
Canada7089 Posts
My real issue is that a Marv who sees a lynch going away from his preferred target who he sees as being sure scum isn't more agitated and doesn't attempt to bring the lynch back. You want to lunch toad, you want to lunch VE. You are mildly perturbed that people are shifting off VE, right? Why aren't you taking control of town and forcing the lynch towards VE? That is where my issues lay. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
I said clearly at the end we should be lynching into my two mafia reads, VE and toad. My vote is on VE. I said I think Foolishness is town at the moment. You want me to scream at myself in a post or something? I literally just came back and told town what I think we should be doing. This conversation is extremely, extremely dull on your part Prome. Go pour a glass of water over your head or something. WEEEEOH WEEEEEOH. GUISE. LET'S NOT LYNCH FOOL TODAY. LET'S LYNCH VE HUH? COME ON GUISE DO IT. LOOK GUISE COME ON. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
Do you actually agree or disagree with any of the conclusions I made on people/reasons for it? | ||
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Promethelax
Canada7089 Posts
I get the impression you think Kita is scummier than WoS (this was really the only one I wasn't sure of from your post) if we lynch VE toad and the game isn't over would you advocate a Kita lynch? If not Kita who? I'm pretty on board with a VE lynch, and I might be on board with a toad follow up. You played Harry potter with HF didn't you? Do you think he is capable of that kind of awful post as scum? I'd like to meta read him but I've never played with him and so my meta is weak as can be and pretty much the only thing making me lean town on the slot. | ||
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Promethelax
Canada7089 Posts
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
I don't really get the utility of asking "if the people you think are scum are not scum, which of the people that you think are town are scum?" It's an essentially pointless way of thinking, because you're framing your thoughts into something that you don't actually believe to be the case. Plan = carry on lynching mafia, should mafia stop being lynched then regroup and find out what's happened. I wouldn't expect town OR scum Holy to make the kind of post that you referenced, so I read it as "???" rather than townie or suspicious. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On January 25 2014 10:15 Foolishness wrote: That's not a silly question. I believe it is you and Toad. Though I go back and forth on whether it's Toad or VE. Kitaman went after sandroba a lot on day 1. He called him out early, voted on him (twice) and pushed his case. I don't see him doing that to his own scumbuddy (moreso since sandroba was inactive so his case just kept looking better over time). Back and is it just me or is this super weird? So you have WoS as your undisputed #1 and either VE or me as the #2 slot. I'm the guy who's voting WoS right now and you place me on the #2 slot instead of VE? What's my plan here as mafia if you're so certain about WoS, VE and me that you don't even feel need the need to talk about us at all but rather talk about those 4 scenarios and how what makes sense with you and prom together? How come noone has an issue with this? | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
Like I said to top it off the entire post + Show Spoiler + On January 25 2014 09:35 Foolishness wrote: This is from a while ago, but his posts I saw when I made that post were: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=439137¤tpage=20#381 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=439137¤tpage=21#408 And I thought these were fine at the time. A lot of you seem to think that I'm doing things 12 hours after they happened when in reality it's been a lot closer. I saw sandroba and austin both come to the thread and start posting, and I didn't post long after that (a few hours at most). As I said, my mindset was, "well they've been kinda afk so far, but as long as they keep posting I don't have an overwhelming reason to suspect them". Look at my list where I put austin and sandroba in the same category; this is exactly why. Gonzaw kinda brought this up here but let's go through these scenarios cause it's important. Scenario 1 Foolishness is mafia Promethelax is mafia Yes, after seeing that my case on WoS during day 1 didn't have as much merit as I thought at the time, I immediately decided to bus my own teammate. Not only that but I was also under scrutiny in the thread, why would I bring attention to another mafia member when I can push a case on someone else (HolyFlare? Marv maybe?). Better for me to just keep pushing on WoS or pick a new target, no sense is putting two mafia members under scrutiny on day 1. Speaking of HolyFlare, this is off topic from my current explanation but when I went back later on and reread his posts I thought he might be town. I don't even remember why but that's what I thought. I don't like reading into people getting replaced out so I focused my attention elsewhere. If HolyFlare is town I expect Toad to be able to prove it to us sooner and not later. And by sooner I mean end of night 2 at the absolute latest. Secnario 2 Foolishness is Mafia Promethelax is town This is the only scenario out of the three that the town should be worried about as I didn't want to switch to sandroba and even said so straight up (the reason I didn't want to was because I saw Marv move his vote and I was really sketchy about him at the time. I didn't like what I was seeing last minute and I got super scared it was just town derp switching onto another town). But as I pointed out in my earlier posts what is the mafia doing the entirety of day 1 when I'm accumulating votes? As gonzaw pointed out this would only make sense if the entire mafia team (but myself) is afk (so like, HolyFlare also mafia). Furthermore, if I'm mafia and Promethelax is town, then wtf is up with sandroba's vote 30 minutes before the deadline? His post wasn't a mafia post trying to save his buddy, that was a mafia pushing what he perceived to be a safe lynch to make his team look pretty for the future days after I flip town or Promethelax flips town. I think it is even more apparent through the entirety of day 1 as a whole. Where is my mafia team to save me? Are they just afk (we all know mafia games on TL are never that easy)? The only one trying to deflect votes off of me was me. Sure, kitaman and austin both said I was town, but there was never a hard push. It seemed like their attitude was, "yeah Foolishness is town I'm sure, but I got nothing better to propose". Kitaman's push on Promethelax was mediocre at best (in terms of aggressiveness, not content). I was 100% on my own for all of day 1. Scenario 3 Foolishness is Town Promethelax is mafia Why the hell did sandroba push onto Promethelax when he could have easily just been like, "yo guys I've caught Foolishness as mafia in three separate games on day 1/2, this is a free town lynch"? Doesn't make sense. Secnario 4 Foolishness is Town Promethelax is Town I brought this up before, but go back and read sandroba's case on Promethelax. After sandroba's vote both Promethelax and I had 3 votes apiece (if I'm not mistaken here). Mafia were very very very happy with the votes at this time. Town Foolishness is under scrutiny and about to get lynched, and second in line is another town who Foolishness (apparently well-known scumhunter) is 100% convinced is mafia. Wow find me a happier mafia team on day 1 in a normal or all-vanilla game. Sandroba was not throwing his vote down to save someone or push for any lynch. Mafia were happy with who was getting lynched that day and there was no need to do anything about it. THIS NEXT PARAGRAPH IS VERY IMPORTANT Look at this from sandroba's point of view in this scenario. The only people with votes are two townies. He drops his vote on Promethelax with the following mindset. "Let's say Foolishness gets lynched. Sweet, I just push on Promethelax the following day and tell the town, 'yeah guys you fucked that up, Foolishness is best scum-hunter NA we gotta lynch Promethelax now'. Let's say Promethelax gets lynched. Sweet, I just admit my mistake and push Foolishness the following day and tell the town, 'yeah damn sorry about that read, this guy Foolishness is definitely mafia and 100% misled the town into a bad lynch. Many people said that lynch was bad from the beginning we should never have listened to Foolishness'". No matter who got lynched sandroba was in a great position, that is until he himself got lynched instead. Sandroba's vote was not a push to get the town to do something. No, it was lazily cast knowing that both suspects were town and he could ride it through the next day. THIS SHOWS THAT PROMETHELAX IS TOWN Look at all four above scenarios. Scenario 3 makes the least amount of sense cause then sandroba's vote is an awful mistake. Scenario 1 doesn't make sense cause that means I bussed my own teammate (when I could have easily gone after WoS from the start or anyone else) and oh btw also means Promethelax bussed sandroba last minute (keep in mind him and Hapa voted 1 minute apart so in essence they both hammered that vote). The remaining two scenarios both have Promethelax as town. Because he is. Regardless of what you think of me as well, though the above and my earlier posts should prove my innocence as well. If you guys wanna spend 9 hours going down the conspiracy theory hole then cool story bro. Or you can just look at the facts and deduce the following: Town wins if WaveOfShadow, VisceraEyes, Kitaman, and Toad all die. Also my time is very limited today and tomorrow but I will try to be here when I can. What the fuck is that. | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On January 24 2014 11:26 Foolishness wrote: I brought this up in my earlier post as well. The options are limited and are not congruent with the rest of the thread. WoS or VE today. ##Vote: WaveOfShadow into -> a little explanation, take note that it's explanation about WoS and VE -> On January 25 2014 10:49 Foolishness wrote: Me explaining why you are mafia and should be lynched: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=439137¤tpage=53#1056 What I said about VE on day 1 still applies: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=439137¤tpage=23#447 But as I said I would be fine lynching either of you. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=439137¤tpage=63#1246 Now that I gave you indisputable evidence that Promethelax is town (regardless of what you think I am) who is your mafia team? As a side note, for the list of reasons I want to lynch you we can also add "diverting the town with strange conspiracy theories about what happened on the day 1 lynch". into -> On January 25 2014 10:15 Foolishness wrote: That's not a silly question. I believe it is you [note: you=WoS] and Toad. Though I go back and forth on whether it's Toad or VE. Kitaman went after sandroba a lot on day 1. He called him out early, voted on him (twice) and pushed his case. I don't see him doing that to his own scumbuddy (moreso since sandroba was inactive so his case just kept looking better over time). aka, thought it's WoS and VE from the start of d2, when asked explains why WoS and VE into "yep it's totally WoS and the guy who's voting WoS. without any kind of explanation ##unvote ##vote Foolishness | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
I'm very okay with that. Heavily doubt both are town. Let's see what the participants have to say | ||
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gonzaw
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