On January 25 2014 13:53 austinmcc wrote: HAHA I LIED DON'T LYNCH ME THOUGH I'M STILL AWAKE AND YOUR THOUGHTS HAVE PLEASED ME.
YOU MAY STILL BE THE MILKSHAKE OF MY DESPAIR, BUT I AM LACTOSE TOLERANT
lol you're lucky that I don't even consider that a bait because I was doing that shit anyway, otherwise I might be very cross with you right now.
I don't think I ever asked people questions just as bait, or ... I probably have, but not at all in the way you seem to mean? No. Even the worst of my stupid questions I ask 90+% of the time because I really want to see the answers.
On January 25 2014 13:59 gonzaw wrote: I still can't believe VE spends 5 hours making porkchops. At least 5 hours from where he heats up the oil until he's done (he could have spent more time before defrosting them, etc). Unless you are at a charity or wedding making porkchops for 100 people, I don't see that happening? It's insane. Heating up oil and cooking 2-3 porkchops takes 40 minutes at most to me, not 5 fricking hours.
Maybe he's just fucking with us? Remember his excuse for not being around deadline is that he was with the porkchops too. Maybe he'll say he's still cooking those porkchops now?
lol I read that and I wtfed too, but I personally hate judging people on RL shit. (I could be biased because I know I never lie about where/when I go or why I'm away and as you can see, I get retarded suspicion for it a lot.) Yes it's a viable way of getting out of suspicion by lying, but I find more often than not people do tell the truth.
That's why I backed out of it, because I didn't want to start a shitstorm trying to figure out the average cooking time of porkchops and discussing the consistency of oil or whatever shit. But...there is suspension of disbelief, and there is "wtf is that true?" territory.
Like, what if he had told us he was cooking the porkchops ever since he FoSed Prome? Would you believe him then? It's too wtf to ignore. The problem is that most of VE's "problems" with the lynch, thread, etc back on D1 hinge on this excuse of his. His unfounded vote on Holy then Foolishness, his behaviour from then until the deadline, etc. If it wasn't for that I wouldn't give a shit how much time he spends cooking food, but if his entire alignment hinges on that....well then you have to ask yourself "Is what this guy is telling true or possible?".
I had a thought that I could start some sort of fake defense about how I know his RL can be difficult sometimes so that he'd really feel like shit if he were scum if I defended him based on that, but I'd probably feel like shit myself even faking that lol.
Ultimately I guess we see how he behaves around this lynch. I'm personally still ok to give him another day but I completely understand how others don't want to. I think on the 'objectively scummy' scale though there are scummier people. It's almost like we're back to D1 and trying to decide to lynch a lurker vs trying to find active scum. Although that actually did turn out in our favour on this particular D1.
On January 25 2014 14:09 austinmcc wrote: Of course it's possible. Cooking can take a really long time, depending on if there was more than just porkchops.
Cooking + eating + any family time + cleanup can easily be 5 hours.
On January 25 2014 13:53 austinmcc wrote: HAHA I LIED DON'T LYNCH ME THOUGH I'M STILL AWAKE AND YOUR THOUGHTS HAVE PLEASED ME.
YOU MAY STILL BE THE MILKSHAKE OF MY DESPAIR, BUT I AM LACTOSE TOLERANT
lol you're lucky that I don't even consider that a bait because I was doing that shit anyway, otherwise I might be very cross with you right now.
I don't think I ever asked people questions just as bait, or ... I probably have, but not at all in the way you seem to mean? No. Even the worst of my stupid questions I ask 90+% of the time because I really want to see the answers.
Austin, you have to realize that for people to answer those questions they have to spend time researching them, etc. For instance, you telling Wave to check my filter as if I was confirmed scum. My filter is 17 pages long. Do you REALLY want Wave to read every single post of that, analyzing each and every single one of them, and saying "Ehmm, okay, if gonzaw was scum, would this individual post make any sense or be interesting in any way?". He'd basically spend 1-2 minutes with every post of mine trying to see if he can come up with some wacky conclusion you want him to reach. I have 335 posts this game. 1-2 minutes for every post means he'll waste 335-670 minutes doing your little "exercise". Do you really think Wave spending up to 10 hours trying to answering your question is productive? No matter what "answers" you want to see? No it's not austin.
On January 25 2014 14:09 austinmcc wrote: Of course it's possible. Cooking can take a really long time, depending on if there was more than just porkchops.
Cooking + eating + any family time + cleanup can easily be 5 hours.
From what I remember he explicitly said he was still frying the porkchops when the deadline hit, not that he was eating, nor cleaning them. But maybe that's just a derp on my or VE's part.
On January 25 2014 14:12 gonzaw wrote: Austin, you have to realize that for people to answer those questions they have to spend time researching them, etc. For instance, you telling Wave to check my filter as if I was confirmed scum. My filter is 17 pages long. Do you REALLY want Wave to read every single post of that, analyzing each and every single one of them, and saying "Ehmm, okay, if gonzaw was scum, would this individual post make any sense or be interesting in any way?". He'd basically spend 1-2 minutes with every post of mine trying to see if he can come up with some wacky conclusion you want him to reach. I have 335 posts this game. 1-2 minutes for every post means he'll waste 335-670 minutes doing your little "exercise". Do you really think Wave spending up to 10 hours trying to answering your question is productive? No matter what "answers" you want to see? No it's not austin.
I don't even want to see any particular answer.
I think people probably are not reading your filter as if you were mafia. I think MAYBE if they do that, it triggers a weird thought. Perhaps.
Perhaps not. I don't care if he skims, reads 10 posts, reads 0 posts and just bullshits about how you're pushing this thing that could have led to a mafia victory, or you're posting a lot and he feels like you covered up x or y that was good analysis, whatever.
It's more just looking for skimming with a specific viewpoint, one that is odd and you probably don't have, in mind. And I want to see the outcome of that, in someone that isn't me's words. This is better for postgame, or in my shadow QT if those are released post BOTH games, or ... never. Something.
VE said he was frying porkchops, but he also indicated that the pork chops were for dinner and the dinner was for family. I didn't get the impression he was at his computer then fried pork chops then said "THESE ARE FRIED" and returned to his computer. That sounds like a fire hazard anyway
On January 25 2014 05:06 VisceraEyes wrote: Have you ever prepared a meal for an entire family and consumed it and cleaned up in LESS than 5 hours? If so hat's off to you I guess, but it takes time for me to do shit. The oil was heating up at the time of my vote. What do you want me to say?
On January 25 2014 14:17 austinmcc wrote: VE said he was frying porkchops, but he also indicated that the pork chops were for dinner and the dinner was for family. I didn't get the impression he was at his computer then fried pork chops then said "THESE ARE FRIED" and returned to his computer. That sounds like a fire hazard anyway
Okay I'm back (I was at work Gonzaw, don't you remember my awful weekend availability? It's been like this for almost as Long as I've played mafia.) since I caught up on my tablet I'm quotes but bare with me.
Conclusions: WoS' activity makes him Unlynchable for me. Today. He had an awful post about him and VE both being scum that sounded like it came from a scum with VE perspective but the rest of his stuff has been decent and simply involved. If he is scum he isn't the one we will lynch today. Townier than he was at the beginning of the day though his terrible attitude towards me/sand d1 and towards VE d2 are worrisome he is near the bottom of my lynch list.
Kita looks much townier today than he has in a while. The specific thing that pokes out to me is his VCA which was excellent combined with his dismissal of VCA as a reasonable reason to town read someone. He discounted the town points from his towniest post and I like that. Like WoS he is at the bottom of my potential lynch list.
VE looks bad. Really bad. His rage quit didn't seem VE-y to me, it was too soft. VE is a guy I like a lot because he is full of feelings like me and lets them cloud his judgement like I do. I think VE likes me too. So if I'm right his rage quit at me/gon was really weird while I was being super nice to him and trying to draw him out of his shell. The fact that he came back with the pants-on-headiest conspiracy theory about me still being scum was weirder still. Near the top of my lynch list, not near, is the top.And yes, VE does rage quit as scum.
Toad is being odd in my mind but not totally scummy. I looked at holy again and that 'too bad to be scum' post jumped out at me again. The way toad is playing reminds me of some times where I have replaced and been sorta lost so I just dicked around trying to fit in and maybe catch low hanging scum. I don't love this slot but it has some townie points.
Austin looks really good from today, I really wasn't sure about his day one play but his thread policing has been solid and subtle. Last time I played with (scum) Austin he worked really hard to be noticed policing the thread and did nothing himself. This game he has done good police work and hasn't drawn undue attention to it.
Fool is a pendulum of uncertainty, I had him as solid scum for a while d1 and solid town for a while n1. In some way it comes down to teams. Fool can only be scum in my head if holy/toad is. Basically the total lack of push onto me d1 was really pathetic if fool was scum and had to be because he had two lurking teammates. His posts have been okay but I a little heavy handed when it comes to saying fool is town.
My lynch list, like fool's is four men long. In some semblance of order it is VE, fool/toad, WoS
On January 25 2014 12:04 austinmcc wrote: Do you think Foolishness is the BEST lynch for today? Most likely mafia? Or just he's got a good chance of flipping, but probably better prey elsewhere?
I think it's between VE and Foolishness for me. Wave seems like he is putting enough effort into the game to warrant surviving at least one cycle longer than these two. I haven't seen a compelling argument against Toad yet. Holy was scummy null for me, but that was off a limited amount of posts. I'm mostly in wait and see mode on him.
I'm on the fence with VE right now. A lot of the things he is doing I can see from a town or mafia VE. As of right now, Foolishness is the best lynch in my opinion.
You haven't seen anything compelling against toad? What about gonzaw and my prodding of him?
Do you agree with any of toad's case on me? Why or why not?
(Goes for you too austin)
I still kinda like Toad. Liked HF. Don't care that Toad didn't read HF's filter. Wish there was more current contribution, because I think a lot of the early stuff has to be discounted given his lack of feel for the time right before lynch.
As far as his case on you, I think it starts off in a ... townie way I guess? For whatever reason, I view him as accusing you SOLELY because of your absence at lynch time, the 20 minute stuff, to be a townie-ish thing? That's a weak ass reason to vote someone over anyone and anything else in the game.
He explicitly states, with his vote on you and having said you're his favorite lynch, that he's still trying to get through your filter (vote early on, reading filter recently). I don't LOVE the idea of mafia straight up saying that they're going through the filter of a guy AFTER voting him.
So, right now I was townie on HF, and I'm now looking kinda townie on Toad. I think the majority of his early posts on you are not convincing of anything because they're based on little and he explicitly hasn't read you.
Overall, I find his case terribly unconvincing, but I think it comes from the right place.
Your reasons for finding Toad towny in this post remind me of the reasons why I find VE towny. What say you to that?
The only thing I find weird from Wave today. Weird way of kinda admitting that his reasons for finding VE town are wonky? Meh. Agree with gonzaw though, his filter is remarkable today, can not lynch
Worryingly the two other posts I noted down because I agreed with them were from austin
On January 25 2014 12:04 austinmcc wrote: Do you think Foolishness is the BEST lynch for today? Most likely mafia? Or just he's got a good chance of flipping, but probably better prey elsewhere?
I think it's between VE and Foolishness for me. Wave seems like he is putting enough effort into the game to warrant surviving at least one cycle longer than these two. I haven't seen a compelling argument against Toad yet. Holy was scummy null for me, but that was off a limited amount of posts. I'm mostly in wait and see mode on him.
I'm on the fence with VE right now. A lot of the things he is doing I can see from a town or mafia VE. As of right now, Foolishness is the best lynch in my opinion.
You haven't seen anything compelling against toad? What about gonzaw and my prodding of him?
Do you agree with any of toad's case on me? Why or why not?
(Goes for you too austin)
I still kinda like Toad. Liked HF. Don't care that Toad didn't read HF's filter. Wish there was more current contribution, because I think a lot of the early stuff has to be discounted given his lack of feel for the time right before lynch.
As far as his case on you, I think it starts off in a ... townie way I guess? For whatever reason, I view him as accusing you SOLELY because of your absence at lynch time, the 20 minute stuff, to be a townie-ish thing? That's a weak ass reason to vote someone over anyone and anything else in the game.
He explicitly states, with his vote on you and having said you're his favorite lynch, that he's still trying to get through your filter (vote early on, reading filter recently). I don't LOVE the idea of mafia straight up saying that they're going through the filter of a guy AFTER voting him.
So, right now I was townie on HF, and I'm now looking kinda townie on Toad. I think the majority of his early posts on you are not convincing of anything because they're based on little and he explicitly hasn't read you.
Overall, I find his case terribly unconvincing, but I think it comes from the right place.
Your reasons for finding Toad towny in this post remind me of the reasons why I find VE towny. What say you to that?
I'm not seeing the connection, tbh.
If you mean because you're townie on VE for conspiracy theories, I don't think that translates. Toad is less conspiracy theory and more...jumping straight into things, convinced, and PUSHING them.
I think, honestly, otherwise, you don't actually have good reasons to think VE is town. I think it relies very very heavily on both talking about sandroba, except that you are both saying the same FACTS. Sandroba being a lazy scum is known. Apparently sandroba not caring about pressure is KNOWN. You're not both taking in information and spitting out these same weird thoughts or anything, you're mostly just both saying "the sun is hot."
You have a minor point on VE's ragequitting, how it's honest, more likely town, but you ask whether he ragequits as scum. If you believe the answers to that question (marv said yes, dunno if anyone else chimed in), then...all that ragequit jazz is null now.
alktjghaelkteahtea. Whatever. I don't see why you think the reasoning on the two are similar. And I don't think you have good points about VE. Sry.
This isn't to dig at Wave, this is more to comment on VE. More in a sec
On January 25 2014 12:14 kitaman27 wrote: Where are you on VE, austin?
I think VE, more than anyone else today, has slipped past a lot of attention.
I haven't been able to chat with him. A bunch of his time in thread today was pork chop discussion or discussion of Toad reading HF's filter.
The only recent positive for him is that he spent some time N1/D2 attacking prome. Like, out of any target mafia wants to go after, he takes a guy that comes off looking pretty good after the lynch, RATHER than attacking foolishness when given an opening, rather than attacking you, wos, toad. It's an odd choice.
Otherwise, he has not scumhunted today. PART of that is people shutting down his suspects. PART of that is him scumhunting by presenting teams or relying on votes. Unsure on how to weight those, but, to me, the contributions he has presented today do not make him town.
This is why I want to actually get a chance to speak with him.
austin much better when not wifflewaffling about stupid stuff and actually talking about stuff to do with alignments.
Really at the moment it's something like:
gonzaw/marv/austin/prome - very sexually attractive wave - becoming increasingly sexually attractive by sheer dint of effort and activity apart from anything else, cba to talk at length because no reason kita - also becoming increasingly attractive, to a lesser extent. I went back to read his large vote analysis post because at the time I wasn't convinced why for whatever reason. It looks better the 2nd time round. People have kinda taken the piss out of his combinatrics, but he seems to be trying to eliminate unlikely teams within that post, which in turn eliminates possible mislynches if he's mafia. I would like you to answer kita (because it wasn't abundantly clear to me) how you've arrived at Prome as "town". In your analyis post it seemed like you were basically coming around to the idea that Prome wasn't mafia anymore, but without being particularly firm about it as far as I could tell. Did your vote analysis + other people's comments firm up your town read on Prome? Or what? Foolishness case also quite compelling, didn't read too forced, made some sense, so... foolish - was kinda sexually attractive, now in fear of beer goggles. I keep reading his filter because people keep talking about him, and I keep understanding what people are saying, but all his posts now read so natural and not-bad to me :/ I'm shit-scared that i'm wrong but meeeeeh. i'm good enough and, frankly, i have the most recent game experience (last year or two) with foolish out of anyone here. for whatever reason gonzaw is the person i'm most likely to listen to on gonzaw because he seems to approach his alignment in a similar way to me. and gonzaw is starting to think he's scummy... bleh
toad - quite ugly. Honestly I'm not understanding any of the rationale put forth by austin on why the slot is particularly townie. Don't get the Holyflare "brainz" thing. I understand to a more limited extent Prome's point on D1 that Holy couldn't be "that terrible" with something he posted if he were scummy, but still meh. I also cannot get over the idea of someone reading through a thread and missing out someone's posts, even as an aid to "save time" because ultimately it doesn't save much time at the time, it doesn't save time in the long run, and it makes other people's posts harder to understand. I can't imagine doing it myself. The case on Wave is weak and again I do not understand austin's rationale of "it's weak in a townie way". No, it's just weak. He's one of my two mafia currently. would kill VE - also quite ugly. I'm so over the woe is me routine. He came back to the thread posting yesterday and I was all like "yay, maybe he's town!" but then he kinda just wandered around listlessly and bitched at stuff. This feels like one of those times someone is being allowed to slip under the radar while people distract themselves with more shiny things. Remember how suspicious people were of VE right post-flip? And yet somehow now, there's nothing... what's warranted this, actually? Nothing...
The one thing I'm basically worried is happening with the way things have been going is that Foolish = town, and he's right that lynching into that list would actually win the game for town. So... there has to be a push by mafia (if that would win the game) to lynch outside of that list, and Foolish is the target. In particular this makes me quite paranoid of kita. Nonetheless I think we should go for the best of both worlds and find the MOST suspicious people from Fool's list and lynch them and worry about things if we haven't won by then.
In other words, VE/Toad mafia, let's kill them.
oh PS, there's also a non-zero chance I won't be around for deadline today, social thingies. Fair warning too
Which of be and toad do you prefer to lynch Marv? Like I get those are the most lynchable, I don't disagree with you but which one and why?
And I'd point out I just posted that ve is still me top lynch suspect. VE is leading votes right now. What more do you want? He hasn't slipped under the radar so much as Gonzaw is pressuring elsewhere be causing Gonzaw has pants full of ants and Kita/WoS are after fool.
If we can find four players which contain the two scum we will win. We have two mislynches this game (unbalanced blah blah blah. Rage) and have eliminated four players from being suspect. There are five possible candidates for the lynch so for town to win we have to exonerate a single member of the Kita/fool/WoS/toad/VE group. Which of those do you exonerate? WoS or fool?
On January 25 2014 21:57 Promethelax wrote: Which of be and toad do you prefer to lynch Marv? Like I get those are the most lynchable, I don't disagree with you but which one and why?
And I'd point out I just posted that ve is still me top lynch suspect. VE is leading votes right now. What more do you want? He hasn't slipped under the radar so much as Gonzaw is pressuring elsewhere be causing Gonzaw has pants full of ants and Kita/WoS are after fool.
I mean based on your vote you prefer VE, I'm just not sure from your post why VE over toad. Explain please?
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