EPTWhat Gus of the PPSL has done - Page 8
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arbitrageur
Australia1202 Posts
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Paaaz
Philippines33 Posts
On November 08 2011 13:53 Pyo wrote: Ok, my torch and pitchfork is out. What do I burn? That's supposed to be screddit's thing. | ||
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Zidane
United States1686 Posts
On November 08 2011 16:57 arbitrageur wrote: Decided to delete my post. I wanna see pussying out tooooo where is it in the video | ||
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TranceF0rm
United States25 Posts
Killing Esports people! | ||
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lisward
Singapore959 Posts
On November 08 2011 16:54 Shel wrote: Some people will take a loot at a situation and turn a blind eye to the bad parts. For Rachel to say that the problem was "that the organizers just didn't have the resources or experience to hold the tournament" is like saying the Nazi's problem was that they had all these guns and tanks and soldiers. (I'm not comparing anyone to nazis). It's the choices that were made that affected other people that is the problem here. The promises made and broken, the people lied to and stabbed in the back, the contracts broken. The shady and underhanded bullshit. People that do things like that in other sports get spotted and outted and never come back again. That's what needs to happen here. I'd have to agree with you on this one. They spend obscene amounts of money flying players in from all over the world, flying in Tastosis and Cheekyduck, and they suddenly have no money for the actual tournament? | ||
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jyLee
United States350 Posts
On November 08 2011 16:47 pdd wrote: Ok this will be my last post in this thread. You can continue raging after this. 1. Nirvana is a player within the SEA community who knows this people and has already said that he's not the racist. AZKziek was the racist. (look a couple of posts up). 2. Yes, this guy is a douchebag. I'm not denying it. I never went "OMG THIS GUYS A SHADY MOTHERFUCKER" in this thread, because how does that contribute anything? You've got so many people on Reddit, TL and spamming AZK and withdoc's Facebook with hate already. One more person doing that isn't going to change anything. 3. How is you posting repeatedly and rehashing what has been said contributing anything? Let me tell you something. ESPORTS is built not by you going on and on raging about the same thing which everyone has said, but by people who actually make the effort to do something about it. If people end up sanctioning this guy, then yes, it could be for the better. But you making 10 million posts about the same shit is not going to get him out of e-sports. 4. For that matter, how is you attacking and flaming people who are trying to be objective about the situation helping ESPORTS? 5. Reputable people in the business (Rachel, Torch, TheGunrun, Tastosis) are still making the best out of a bad situation. Rachel herself has shed more light on the situation there, saying just that the organizers just didn't have the resources or experience to hold the tournament. If they are willing to stick up for a tainted tournament at least just for the fans, who gave you the right to say who or what stays in or out of ESPORTS? 1. He never said he wasnt racist, he said he doesnt know about it and cant confirm. He's made racist comments to people over the internet. This is known. 2. I didnt even create this thread but I sure as hell will post my thoughts on Gus in it since its about him. I dont understand why I'm not allowed to just because you say so? 3. Now you are lecturing on what builds Esports. For the record none of my posts were filled with rage like you have described. Its you who overreacted and started going off about people making more threads. Clearly you are still mad and I still dont know why exactly except maybe you are friends with Gus. 4. Not sure who I attacked other than the main topic of this thread, Gus. 5. Makes no sense. I never flamed the tournament, did you even read the comments in here? Everything I've said was directed ONLY toward Gus and never did I even mention the tournament. Figures you would try and derail the thread with you self righteous post about standing up for Esports. | ||
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XRaDiiX
Canada1730 Posts
Read more about it in DOX's Blog http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=283600 | ||
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T0fuuu
Australia2275 Posts
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XRaDiiX
Canada1730 Posts
Its just now Gus's Girls from AZK Team Casting (Yes they are part of AZK) That is why Gus Insisted they Cast when it was only supposed to be Tastosis... but i digress.... I kind - of feel pity for the People on Team AZK who have their name thrown into bad light; for their Clan Leader/Manager Gus's Shameful Actions of Lies and Deceit. | ||
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arbitrageur
Australia1202 Posts
On November 08 2011 17:04 XRaDiiX wrote: One Big Cluster Fuck.... I wonder what happened To Tastosis did they leave the Event ....? After they found out what happened. Its just now Gus's Girls from AZK Team Casting (Yes they are part of AZK) That is why Gus Insisted they Cast when it was only supposed to be Tastosis... but i digress.... I kind - of feel pity for the People on Team AZK who have their name thrown into bad light; for their Clan Leader/Manager Gus's Shameful Actions and Lies and Deceit. Why would he leave the tournament? If he leaves he doesn't get paid. | ||
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XRaDiiX
Canada1730 Posts
On November 08 2011 17:05 arbitrageur wrote: Why would he leave the tournament? If he leaves he doesn't get paid. I don't see them casting... i just assumed they left. | ||
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CatNzHat
United States1599 Posts
I'm hoping this sets an example for others who see the cash flowing into e-sports as an opportunity to collect. | ||
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Zraf
54 Posts
On November 08 2011 16:54 Shel wrote: Some people will take a loot at a situation and turn a blind eye to the bad parts. For Rachel to say that the problem was "that the organizers just didn't have the resources or experience to hold the tournament" is like saying the Nazi's problem was that they had all these guns and tanks and soldiers. (I'm not comparing anyone to nazis). It's the choices that were made that affected other people that is the problem here. The promises made and broken, the people lied to and stabbed in the back, the contracts broken. The shady and underhanded bullshit. People that do things like that in other sports get spotted and outted and never come back again. That's what needs to happen here. I totally agree, plus the bigger issue here is not simply the event itself failing; but all the shady things that happened beforehand. Reputable people Seltzer, torch, Tastosis and friends, are technically still employed but the tournament organizers; so I don't think you can really expect an unbiased opinion from them. Plus they are probably unaware of all the shenanigans that happened behind the scenes, so i wouldn't put too much weight on their statements; in this case. | ||
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rotegirte
Germany2859 Posts
On November 08 2011 16:46 Highways wrote: I completely missed this drama. Can someone summarised what happened? I don't know where to start. 1. IPL 4 SEA Qualifier Finals to be held in Philippines. 2. IGN contracts Clan AZK (Gus "Witchdoc" being clan leader) to run the event, sponsors travel-budget, provides stream 3. Delays, stream/bandwidth issues, chaotic organization (4. HoN tournament to be held at the same time, which is being sponsored by S2 never takes place. Whereabouts of S2 provided money unknown) 5. Due to nonattendance of Australian qualifiers winner, #3 has been eligible for finals (including travel expenses). He however has not received his plane ticket from Gus "Witchdoc". Upon further investigation on his part it turns out his place was filled by a AZK team member. 6. IPL pulls their brand, together with providing the official IPL stream, proceeds to make a statement on TL 7. CSN takes over streaming of the event as an emergency measure to save what is actually a nice competition 8. The Internet explodes and pitchforks, etc | ||
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Defacer
Canada5052 Posts
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jyLee
United States350 Posts
On November 08 2011 16:54 Shel wrote: Some people will take a loot at a situation and turn a blind eye to the bad parts. For Rachel to say that the problem was "that the organizers just didn't have the resources or experience to hold the tournament" is like saying the Nazi's problem was that they had all these guns and tanks and soldiers. (I'm not comparing anyone to nazis). It's the choices that were made that affected other people that is the problem here. The promises made and broken, the people lied to and stabbed in the back, the contracts broken. The shady and underhanded bullshit. People that do things like that in other sports get spotted and outted and never come back again. That's what needs to happen here. Seems like there are people on TL who disagree with you on this. | ||
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Nagano
United States1157 Posts
On November 08 2011 17:09 rotegirte wrote: 1. IPL 4 SEA Qualifier Finals to be held in Philippines. 2. IGN contracts Clan AZK (Gus "Witchdoc" being clan leader) to run the event, sponsors travel-budget, provides stream 3. Delays, stream/bandwidth issues, chaotic organization (4. HoN tournament to be held at the same time, which is being sponsored by S2 never takes place. Whereabouts of S2 provided money unknown) 5. Due to nonattendance of Australian qualifiers winner, #3 has been eligible for finals (including travel expenses). He however has not received his plane ticket from Gus "Witchdoc". Upon further investigation on his part it turns out his place was filled by a AZK team member. 6. IPL pulls their brand, together with providing the official IPL stream, proceeds to make a statement on TL 7. CSN takes over streaming of the event as an emergency measure to save what is actually a nice competition 8. The Internet explodes and pitchforks, etc Thanks for clearing that up concisely. | ||
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Nagano
United States1157 Posts
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Bleak
Turkey3059 Posts
On November 08 2011 13:32 Oreo7 wrote: And that's a valid point, but you decided for some bizarre reason to frame it through the lens of "people care way too much about Starcraft" and "you guys have just too much time on your hands" both of which are irrelevant and thanks to the way you phrase it, passive aggressive and antagonistic. I do agree, their needs to be some kind of centralization of all these threads. But I also think this Gus fellow really does need to pay for fucking up a developing sc2 scene in the Phillipines so badly and abusing the trust of so many baller corporations and organizations. I agree, there should be a thread for the discussion, but i also agree with the guy who said that most of the discussion is redundant. Remember how much shitstorm Puma transfer and Stephano thing caused? That is one stuff I don't like about community. It feels like a pack of zombies jumping on a body to feed, there is nothing constructive, everyone is adding their opinion that almost noone cares about and it's all about adding your own trash (as in "one man's trash" saying) to the debris until it becomes a mountain, like the game where you roll something and things stick on it, and it becomes bigger as it rolls. i think a public statement by IGN and a TL news thread which is locked, that asks for the community to not support this guy and people like him is more than enough. | ||
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XRaDiiX
Canada1730 Posts
5. Due to nonattendance of Australian qualifiers winner, #3 has been eligible for finals (including travel expenses). He however has not received his plane ticket from Gus "Witchdoc". Upon further investigation on his part it turns out his place was filled by a AZK team member. I think this is what Gus Intended all along (Seeing as to all the other Trickery and Deceit that has been brought to light about him) *For his AZK Team Member to Come instead of YJY who rightfully qualified for the Tournament Spot* There is also Rumour of Match Fixing so his AZK Team Members don't meet up in the Brackets early on. There is also Reports of Blatant Cheating by Gus From Dox's Blog Here. Link:http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=283600 -------------------------------------------------------------------- I met Gus during an AZK inhouse tournament. I am sorry that you had the misfortune of doing business with him. I can confirm that he fights dirty. I have seen him watching matchups between his clanmate and some other guy and he would tell his clanmate what the other guy is doing just so Gus can win. He cheats. It's a fact and I'm sorry that a lot of people got dragged into this. Gus is just way over in his head and more concerned about putting himself out there rather than promoting e-sports. It's all about him and it blew in his face. I'm just sorry we didn't warn enough people. I didn't think his arrogance could have led to such disaster. -------------------------------------------------------------------- | ||
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