EPTYou're mostly right, maybe my paranoia has kicked in on the potential weirdness of the role. But I still don't see how it would be balanced as anything but town. And I really don't think that's any more absurd as far as speculation than a lot of the shit other people have done.
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JingleHell
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You're mostly right, maybe my paranoia has kicked in on the potential weirdness of the role. But I still don't see how it would be balanced as anything but town. And I really don't think that's any more absurd as far as speculation than a lot of the shit other people have done. | ||
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austinmcc
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strongandbig
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JingleHell
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On October 10 2012 03:42 strongandbig wrote: why would the adventure core be a hider Uhh, the Adventure core is just slightly broken. | ||
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HiroPro
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Keirathi
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Keirathi
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On October 10 2012 04:11 Keirathi wrote: Something worth(?) noting: S&B's specific role description was anti-hider, I believe? With JH being a hider, its certainly some circumstantial evidence to think about. And, my specific role description was anti-roleblocker. Which fits with GlaDOS being the Godfather Roleblocking Jack of All Trades. | ||
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
On October 10 2012 04:11 Keirathi wrote: Something worth(?) noting: S&B's specific role description was anti-hider, I believe? With JH being a hider, its certainly some circumstantial evidence to think about. My role is "reverse hider" - basically it's a bodyguard, I have extra lives and if my target gets shot I take the hit instead. Last night I took a scum hit that was aimed at someone else. I can do the same thing tonight. snb, is that the exact wording on your role?Grrrrrrrr. JH not quite a hider, because hiders get hit with anything that hits the person they're hiding behind, right? That's the downside to keep them from actually being bulletproof. But he hasn't claimed that. Except it really seems like he's holding some info back. | ||
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JingleHell
United States11308 Posts
On October 10 2012 04:19 austinmcc wrote: snb, is that the exact wording on your role? Grrrrrrrr. JH not quite a hider, because hiders get hit with anything that hits the person they're hiding behind, right? That's the downside to keep them from actually being bulletproof. But he hasn't claimed that. Except it really seems like he's holding some info back. I told you what I know about my role. Bear in mind, I have essentially no control over who I have to visit to get my immunity, and if they die, I'm fucked. | ||
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austinmcc
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Would you like to claim? If everyone is being truthful, you used something on HiroPro N2. And HiroPro redirected to Gonzaw N2, so barring funny business, your action should have actually ... taken place on Gonzaw? HiroPro/Gonzaw, do either of you know how the tracking would come out in that situation? | ||
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HiroPro
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Keirathi
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On October 10 2012 04:42 austinmcc wrote: Oh ghoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooost. Would you like to claim? If everyone is being truthful, you used something on HiroPro N2. And HiroPro redirected to Gonzaw N2, so barring funny business, your action should have actually ... taken place on Gonzaw? HiroPro/Gonzaw, do either of you know how the tracking would come out in that situation? What if there were multiple actions that targetting Hiro night2? Hiro's role description makes it sound like it would randomly pick if there were multiples, and one of them would be redirected while the rest would land. And, we don't know who you, ghost, or S&B targetted. | ||
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
On October 10 2012 04:53 Keirathi wrote: What if there were multiple actions that targetting Hiro night2? Hiro's role description makes it sound like it would randomly pick if there were multiples, and one of them would be redirected while the rest would land. And, we don't know who you, ghost, or S&B targetted. We know that gonzaw saw ghost target hiro. If ghost claims something different, we've got information. As to snb and I, yeah, I don't know who I targeted. Hiro wasn't in a rat's nest afaik (if one exists), so I can't confirm whether I visited or not. snb can confirm whether he visited hiro. | ||
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strongandbig
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Keirathi
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gonzaw
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On October 10 2012 02:27 JingleHell wrote: I'm only bulletproof IF the person below me is alive to visit. Also, I assume I can be tracked there since I'm visiting them, which has a nasty ability to backfire. As to that being good for black scum, I can't even imagine my role being balanced that way, since the scum team's wincons seem to require working at cross purposes, putting red in a position where they can only kill a rival by forcing a lynch seems risky, especially with a role that would reveal that they had no other choice. Anyone who pushed it would promptly be under scrutiny. That would be an "I win" button for black. Also, if we have a vigi with bullets, confirming me tonight wouldn't be so bad. I repeat the question: Am I still scum or not Jingle? I don't really like these lack of information roles that have been claimed (i.e they don't give any direct info), like austin's or Jingle's. It's quite possible one of them is a fake-claim....if we don't find any contradictory information with all the remaining claims (which would indicate that the people that claimed they had info most likely didn't fake-claimed). Anyways....dayum it's time to use logic! Hmm, where to start? I'll try to think about all these shit and see if I can figure out some fake-claim or what actually happened or what scum's abilities they have In the meantime: ##Vote: ghost Player list swapper that's not Chell, hasn't claimed yet and hasn't participated in the thread at all. Until he claims, vote goes on him. | ||
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
On October 10 2012 04:06 HiroPro wrote: I'm the Discouragement Redirection Cube. I can pick a target and a random action that targets me at night will get redirected onto the target. I picked nisani n1, gonzaw n2, and no one on n3 (figured I would definitely get protection from keirathi). If this is true then then Hiro and ghost's swap is completely irrelevant (at all I would have been swapped with ghost). Hmm, Hiro, can you post explanations on why you chose those targets? On October 10 2012 04:42 austinmcc wrote: Oh ghoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooost. Would you like to claim? If everyone is being truthful, you used something on HiroPro N2. And HiroPro redirected to Gonzaw N2, so barring funny business, your action should have actually ... taken place on Gonzaw? HiroPro/Gonzaw, do either of you know how the tracking would come out in that situation? I've only asked what happens when my targets/me/my targets visitors are bussed. I think my tracking report doesn't change at all whethe ghost's ability is done on me because Hiro redirected it or if ghost used it on me directly. Again, it depends on what ghost's ability is which can fuck my report (if he has a "fucks this person's checks" role) Actually, if that role visited Hiro it's possible it's ghost didn't visit Hiro at all (so my report on ghost is fucked). On October 10 2012 02:17 Mattchew wrote: yeah im chell Okay Mattchew is 92.5% not an Aperture Science Member Take note of that You can still be black considering the effort you've been putting into this game :/ But meh we have better things to take care of On October 10 2012 02:24 Mattchew wrote: also, im a vet + bus driver so that shot wasn't protected against me. I didn't even get notice that i was shot just that i should be careful because i don't have an extra life anymore and gonzaw those questions are bad and loaded. draz was playing like (insert whatever you want here) and ghost was all the attention of iamperf (which i never noticed but he didn't vote for him)... I didn't know there was 2 scum teams so i figured he would be a townie that was likely unprotected but hard to lynch. Again, what about Hiro/Xfire? You think they were too "obvious" pro-town targets that scum wouldn't try to shoot them (in fear of medic saves)? Meh nevermind, that's probably the answer you'll give me. | ||
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HiroPro
United States2624 Posts
If this is true then then Hiro and ghost's swap is completely irrelevant (at all I would have been swapped with ghost). what do you mean? I picked nisani and you cause I thought you guys were scum and I wanted to redirect shots from me onto you two. I stayed away from drazerk cause s&b had said that he protected me n1, so I figured there was a decent chance he would do it again, and I didn't want to block any vig shots on drazerk. I didn't think you would get vigged. | ||
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
That night I got that ghost visited you. I concluded that ghost visited you to swap your position in the player list with him. But if ghost actually visited me, that couldn't have happened. Wait Hiro: Are medic/bodyguard saves affected by your ability? E.g could you have protected Nisani on N1 when S&B protected you? | ||
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gonzaw
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Imagine there are the actions done on you at night: -Medic saves you -Scum use a KP on you If you redirect the medic save onto someone else...does the scum KP kill you? | ||
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