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HiroPro
United States2624 Posts
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
Does someone know why the hell my N1 report was fucked up or is it just some thing scum did? I'm still worried about ghost visiting Hiro and swapping positions....although if that's his sole role it doesn't make much sense :/ (it fits more in Death Factory mafia not here >_> ). Well Hiro, seems like you are the popular kid in this game everybody visits you every night. Mattchew, I'd like your explanation on these: n1 i bussed draz and ghost cause I thought ghost might be shot for the amount iamperf went at him and wanted draz dead Why the hell would ghost get shot? How about...I dunno Xfire which you yourself said was basically confirmed town because of hammering IAMP? How about Hiro who was "pretty much town" for the same reason? Also why Drazerk out of everybody? How about Keirathi who you even speculated to last-minute switch late-D1? Damn, you don't really write in night-phases at all so it's impossible to check if what you are saying is true or not :/ n2 i bussed gonzaw and keirathi trying to get gonzaw shot cause I thought theres a chance of him being scum Why? Why didn't you bus keirathi and maybe Drazerk or ghost? Why did you think there was a chance of me being scum? On October 05 2012 01:52 Mattchew wrote: gonzaw how do you know the numbers of the scum team? On October 05 2012 07:17 Mattchew wrote: i am running out of possible scum gonzaw looks like a decent lynch maybe hiro pro? These are the only quotes where I remember you mentioning me in a "scummy" way, but you explain nothing at all anyways. Oh, the "Hiro is scum" explanation would also be welcomed. | ||
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Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
On October 09 2012 15:04 gonzaw wrote: Does someone know why the hell my N1 report was fucked up or is it just some thing scum did? It makes me wonder if there actually WAS a Lightning Rod. Lol. | ||
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
I'm The SSheep, Sub-Human Test Subject #47. (The extra "S" stands for "Extra Science!") Every night, I get released from my pen into the Aperture Science facility, and wander into another player's location at random. If I wander into a rat den, side effects from studies performed on me allow me to communicate with the rats and learn the identity, role, and alignment of the person located in the rat den that night. If I wander into a portal, I get cloned, rather than just going in one side and coming out the other, because "ssheep and portal exhibit strange interactions." For each time I've been cloned, there's an extra ssheep wandering at night, so I can hit multiple locations. If I wander into a testing chamber prepared by GLaDOS, I die, because my "tiny ssheep brain" cannot withstand the rigors of tests designed for humans. I die outright, even if it's just a clone that walks in there. Also, and maybe this explains a little of my D1, as a ssheep, I'm not know for being a leader. Therefore, if I ever cast the first vote of the day on a player, I may or may not blink out of existence, due to the "Von Heisenstein SSheep/NoSSheep Paradox Effect." Basically, I don't know who I visit unless I hit a rat den slot. I haven't done so yet. Hopefully this explains why I was scummy on Keirathi but didn't vote him until AFTER Ghost did. I don't know whether sheeping votes is a fake restriction or not, but I don't want to test and I assume it's real. It felt dumb to try and crumb this by saying sheep over and over again, because it's a normal term and I thought it would come off looking odd. So instead, when explaining to mementoss why I waited to vote Keirathi D1 until after Ghost, I made a comment about wool On October 04 2012 01:09 austinmcc wrote: So yeah. I should vote him. I should push him. I don't. That IS scummy. But I sit on it until ghost votes. I'm not trying to pull the wool over anyone's eyes here Nobody has been calling me out on being concerned with the player list/rat den, but this is why I keep wondering whether there's a rat den still in place. If mementoss had been able to drop two, I basically turn into a multi-DT late game, although that was balanced by me dying if I hit the person GLaDOS was roleblocking it looks like. However, I haven't hit one yet and I don't know if one exists. It's also one reason I didn't think Drazerk could be a one-shot vigi. I'm basically a "sometimes DT," but with a bunch of other interactions and flavor. Figured other roles that aren't super jailers and super medics also have some odd flavor or restrictions on them. Gonna read back over these other claims. Mattchew, I'm assuming your bus driver role is that you can create portals? If not, there's a bus driver AND a portal-maker. | ||
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
Meh, I guess that role makes sense. Doesn't bring quite a lot of information into the table though, specially about your alignment/or if it's your actual role (even though you "breadcrumbed" by not voting Kei first and that "wool" comment). So...Hiro/Jingle/ghost are the only ones that haven't claimed yet, and we haven't had conflicting reports yet, so one could assume all of us claimed our own roles and didn't fake-claim (whether those roles are from one alignment or not it's another question). I'd want ghost to claim to explain the N2 shenanigans. I'd want Hiro and Jingle to claim just to complete the massclaim and not let any of them just stand there hiding while everybody else claimed if one of them is scum, or if they have some new information to give us. Other than that I don't see why they should claim though. Also, can someone please claim if they are in a rat den? Matt can bus guys there for protection or at least Kei/S&B don't waste their saves on you since you are jailed. I don't know if it would just be better for Matt to claim Chell once and for all and have Keirathi/S&B target him each night so he's 100% safe. Then right before the deadline Matt claims his targets and why he chose them (so at least we can have some explanation for them), specially why he chose his "scum" target (i.e the guy we want to bus a bullet into) and why he chose his "victim" target (i.e the guy that would have gotten shot initialy) if we want him to bus scum with town. Hey Jingle, am I town now? Or am I a super mastermind scum who elaborated this complicated scheme since D2 so town would so easily fall into my trap MWAHAHAHAHAA ? Also, since my win-con and shit is dependant on other people's role names...do you guys think some BS/RS/maybe 3rd party is also dependant on people's role names? Also I wonder how the hell Drazerk figured this out: On October 05 2012 02:10 Drazerk wrote: There are roles out there that kill people based on role names I wondered if he had something similar to me in his role PM or had a DT ability that checked those things (or his role just warned him of that). I forgot about it later though  | ||
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
Would like to see these other claims I guess and then start piecing through what we've learned. On October 10 2012 00:29 gonzaw wrote: Also I wonder how the hell Drazerk figured this out: I wondered if he had something similar to me in his role PM or had a DT ability that checked those things (or his role just warned him of that). I forgot about it later though We saw Drazerk's PM. Nothing about specific role names. Although P-body and ATLAS interact, and I interact (in a way) with Rattmann and GLaDOS. Wouldn't be suprised if there's another role or two with specific interactions. | ||
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strongandbig
United States4858 Posts
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Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
On October 10 2012 00:55 strongandbig wrote: if mattchew got shot why didnt he die last night? It is possible that he is in the Rat's Nest. But that's pretty damn unverifiable with the roles that we have. | ||
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
On October 10 2012 01:02 Keirathi wrote: It is possible that he is in the Rat's Nest. But that's pretty damn unverifiable with the roles that we have. If he's in a rat's nest, he would have been RBed N1. If the player list shifted, he wasn't RBed, isn't in the rat's nest. If it didn't shift, he was RBed, and I guess is still in there. | ||
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
Wait no, Nisani watched Matt and nobody visited him.... Hell if I know...maybe Matt lied? | ||
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Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
But, no one has claimed to be RB'd this game. Maybe there aren't even RB notifications? | ||
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
On October 10 2012 01:24 Keirathi wrote: S&B targetted Matt night1 anyways. But, no one has claimed to be RB'd this game. Maybe there aren't even RB notifications? Unlikely, given one of iamperfection's JOAT abilities: (3) Light Bridge: You place a light bridge in the test chamber, giving the illusion that the test will be easier to solve. The subject will not be told they were roleblocked this night. | ||
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
Rat's nest on matt N1 matt is RBed by nest snb/ATLAS targets Matt N1 for bodyguard keirathi/p-body also targets Matt due to being in sync matt unroleblocked | ||
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Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
So what does it explain? :o | ||
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strongandbig
United States4858 Posts
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Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
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JingleHell
United States11308 Posts
That's why I've been pushy and hostile (and it looks like I've been vindicated about Gonzaw having an anti-town wincon, so I wasn't so far off with the primary target of that path). I was hoping to make scum try to hit me and waste their KP. That's also why I waited so long to claim, I wanted to be very sure it was happening en masse before giving that one up. And no, my role doesn't make the other person get hit, it just gets me out of harms way. I've received no notifications of failed hits on me, but I don't know if I would since I'm actively avoiding the KP, rather than having it hit me and fail. | ||
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
On October 10 2012 01:27 austinmcc wrote: Unlikely, given one of iamperfection's JOAT abilities: IAMP was dead D1, he couldn't have used that ability (and I suppose that's the only ability like that in the game) I also thought it was possible Nisani was actually driven with Mementos/Mattchew, so he actually protected Mementos and got nobody visited him, which is why I tracked him to Mementos... ...then again the only bus driver seems to be Matt that didn't claim that, plus if Nisani protected Mementos he wouldn't have been killed and he would have seen scum visiting Mem....so no that doesn't make sense either | ||
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Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
Anyways, here's the revelation: Austin CAN'T a traditional KP role UNLESS I am currently in the Rat's Next OR there is another protective role who protected me last night, and doesn't get hit notification. Why's that? you might ask. So, lets look at what's been claimed: 1) I protected Hiro 2) Matt bussed me and Hiro 3) gonzaw tracked austin to Hiro So, what does that mean. Well first, Matt bussing me and Hiro after I protected Hiro means that Hiro no longer had S&B's bodyguard protection. Therefore, if Hiro didn't die from austin visiting him, it either means that I was in the Rat's Nest, another medic role protected me, or austin wasn't delivering KP. Edit1: Bleh, I keep having post-note revelations that mean I need to come back and add something (IE, original draft didn't have the possibility of another medic to protect me, but I guess theoretically it is possible). Anyways, next thing I wanted to add: it's also possible that Hiro is some kind of night-immune role, and austin did actually shoot Hiro and Hiro just survived. Not sure how likely that is, but again its a possibility that I didn't think of when I first had my revelation. Honestly at this point I'm debating on whether I should even post this because there are so many conditionals to it being a correct postulation. Also, if it wasn't clear, I came to this conclusion last night but I decided to wait until today to post it. | ||
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Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
On October 10 2012 01:42 gonzaw wrote: IAMP was dead D1, he couldn't have used that ability (and I suppose that's the only ability like that in the game) I also thought it was possible Nisani was actually driven with Mementos/Mattchew, so he actually protected Mementos and got nobody visited him, which is why I tracked him to Mementos... ...then again the only bus driver seems to be Matt that didn't claim that, plus if Nisani protected Mementos he wouldn't have been killed and he would have seen scum visiting Mem....so no that doesn't make sense either Just to clarify (because I was confused too, and starting to think you were lying), Nisani didn't actually get watcher information until the NEXT night. So if he watched Matt on night 1, he would get information on who visited Matt during day2 and (presumably?) night 2. So the fact that he had no information doesn't mean that Matt wasn't targeted night 1, because Nisani wouldn't have had that information. | ||
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