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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
Man no wonder good players don't play anymore, this is so ridiculously painful | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25558 Posts
On April 12 2012 04:52 gonzaw wrote: Imagine VE didn't claim at all. Tell me why you think he's scum then. Discuss the previous cases or thoughts, post thoughts of your own agreeing with those cases or creating original content. My vote on VE is entirely based on his claim. On April 12 2012 04:52 gonzaw wrote: Post your thoughts on Wbg and what other people said about him. Post your thoughts on other lurkers, like zelblade/Katina/Grack/Adam/etc. No. | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25558 Posts
Shit that I don't care about, but will care about once it is clear we either will or will not get a majority vote on VE: other stuff | ||
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Risen
United States7927 Posts
On April 12 2012 04:50 FourFace wrote: Because DT is not that important to town with all the modifiers and shit. If he was mafia he would've waited until there's a majority on him or not .. idn. I really don't. But you can't be that sure either which is why i think it's suspicious that you claim to be so sure. If VE is DT we can figure out his sanity together, and if he gets killed.. he supplied us with sufficient info. We got enough time to deal with this DT claim which is what we want. On Night 2 he can tell us who he checks and I think our medics should protect him. He's basically our homeboy now. Yeah I'm defending my hombwoy .. you scum? No townie would post like this. Scum is either completely throwing the game into our laps or FF is high. People Risen thinks are almost confirmed scum: VE, Jitsu, johnnywup People trying their hardest to make the list: FF, katina, ghost, Grackaroni | ||
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Risen
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Mementoss
Canada2595 Posts
On April 12 2012 04:54 Blazinghand wrote: Shit that matters now: getting majority vote on VE Shit that I don't care about, but will care about once it is clear we either will or will not get a majority vote on VE: other stuff This is so scummy, stating what everyone needs to do with over 24 hours left, how does majority on VE benefit town over majority on Toad. Can't we discuss the benefits of each? Like seriously, a lynch on either of them will give us sufficient information to figure out if the claim is real and VE can figure out his sanity. I'm not set on either. But not discussing it is ridiuclous. | ||
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
On April 12 2012 04:47 Blazinghand wrote: That's a fair point. But even in the 70-10-10-10 setup, there's a possibility of being insane. Even with a 20% possibility of being paranoid or insane, you'd anticipate a DT waiting until D3 to claim. VE was by no means backed into a corner. We're not even halfway through D2. I find the timing of his claim coupled with the sureness of it (given the sanity constraints) to be scummy. I think that if VE were a DT he'd not claim for another 12ish hours, and even then, only if he was really sure he couldn't push the lynch himself. VE is not a bad player. I am surprised he has made a bad play. This is completely stupid. You are saying if VE was DT this game, even if there was a 20% possibility of him being insane him claiming a red check would be such a bad play that it's impossible for it to happen if he was town? Really? It's perfectly normal to assume you are a sane DT and got a scum check on someone, specially if that player is scummy as fuck. There's nothing wrong with that. The point of his claim has nothing to do with him being insane/naive or anything, it's about timing, about forethought and thinking about its consequences, it's about caring about the game and being sure to answer everybody's questions about the claim, etc. Not to mention it's about his previous behaviour this game. Really, you are just tunneling him because of some technicalities of his claim, you ignored everything else from the game and you are aggressive to those players that want to contribute more. You get lynched on D3, mark my words. @Wbg: What do you think about this that I posted?: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=325046¤tpage=48#954 You acted this way on D1 and N1 as well, when there wasn't such a dichotomy in discussion (about Toad vs VE). What do you say? | ||
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
Mementos, I like you, keep it up and we might save this town some day. | ||
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
On April 12 2012 04:52 gonzaw wrote: Imagine VE didn't claim at all. Tell me why you think he's scum then. Discuss the previous cases or thoughts, post thoughts of your own agreeing with those cases or creating original content. Post your thoughts on Wbg and what other people said about him. Post your thoughts on other lurkers, like zelblade/Katina/Grack/Adam/etc. Yes, it's obvious none of them are even trying to create a good atmosphere and lead town successfully, and not even seem to care about the game or town direction. I'll definitely push a lynch on wbg/BH on D3, but sadly we need to end this Toad vs VE problem right now if we ever want to win and see a good town atmosphere ever again. Wbg's and BH's actions so far indicate that they are trying to save Toad. Maybe they could be bussing VE or not. It seems unlikely scum would create such a magnificent 4-way bus like this, but all of them are so scummy as fuck that it's a possibility. The other possibility is Toad/wbg/BH being scum and VE town; If wbg/BH are scum, Toad town and VE scum it makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. So If VE is scum and Toad town, then I think at least one of wbg/BH is town, which is another huge stretch considering their behaviour so far. Toad, Ve, please comment on BH and Wbg's actions these past few pages. You asking for everyone's thoughts on everyone is derailing the thread way more than anyone you're accusing. In fact most of the stuff you're asking for is already in the thread. Just go read it again. I've already explained at least three different times why VE is scum and so far VE has completely ignored every single point I've made against him, simply choosing to reiterate over and over "but bugs Toad's case is terrible" when I never even voted him because of anything Toad specifically said. Toad's OMGUS made me realize I had missed something, but for the most part Toad's case was just him flipping out. | ||
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Zealos
United Kingdom3576 Posts
On April 12 2012 03:15 Zealos wrote: Because it suits him better for his case against Toad. Think about it, we're still early in the day, why would he claim already? There is NO reason for it. Another thing, VE is a good player, he knows that this isn't the only way, in fact, the thread was going his way at the time of the claim, as it stood, more people were going over to his side. Then he suddenly makes a claim with no backup for what he says. Just put yourself into the situation he claims to be in, and tell me you would claim as D.T, then you have your answer as to who to lynch today. Quoting myself. | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25558 Posts
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Zealos
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Risen
United States7927 Posts
On April 12 2012 04:56 Mementoss wrote: This is so scummy, stating what everyone needs to do with over 24 hours left, how does majority on VE benefit town over majority on Toad. Can't we discuss the benefits of each? Like seriously, a lynch on either of them will give us sufficient information to figure out if the claim is real and VE can figure out his sanity. I'm not set on either. But not discussing it is ridiuclous. Well logic didn't work in GoT for me, we'll see if I can make an appeal to logic based solely on VE being a DT or not Assumptions to be made: 50/50 sane/(paranoid/naive/insane) DT VE claims with next to no pressure on him very early at the start of D2. What does this accomplish? It shits up the thread and makes stupid townies question whether he's actually telling the truth. VE will probably point out that I claimed DT under somewhat similar circumstances in GoT (except mine came at a time when I was certain I was going to die via an unlynchable third party and isn't really all that similar, but he'd probably try to point it out). Guess what the difference is? I was CONFIRMED 100% sane no matter what b/c of how the game was set up. That's not true here at ALL. No town DT would claim there. NO TOWN DT WOULD CLAIM THERE. Explain to me, those who are actually having doubts about VE possibly being scum, how in the Queen's name you could POSSIBLY think VE is town. Ok let's move on to more logic. In GoT I claimed and made it very simple for town. Lynch me today and when I flip town lynch acro (my red check) tomorrow. In GoT it was more logical to trust me b/c no scum would give themselves up as DT like that when DTs were 100% confirmed sane. In this game that isn't the case. We can't just trust a DT claim even if he gets lynched. A town VE would have presented the option of lynching him today and Toad tomorrow, though. Because he's SO SURE he's sane, right? TL;DR: VE is so scum. How can you not think he's scum? You people make me sad :/ | ||
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
What BH just said is 100% correct; all that matters right now is getting a majority on VE (or Toad if you wish) and once that's sorted we can deal with other things. Trying to do other things right now is unproductive and allows scum to blend in without commenting on VE/Toad. | ||
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Risen
United States7927 Posts
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Risen
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johnnywup
United States3858 Posts
And why have you wanted to kill me all game long? | ||
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
On April 12 2012 05:03 Blazinghand wrote: gonzaw's unfocused unuseful questioning has in my experience been a part of both his town and scum play. This does not male him scum wbg No worries, I don't think he's scum, and I told Toad that too. It's just annoying because I don't find that there's anything worth responding to, particularly when his questions are derailing the thread arguably more than anything else is. I don't even understand what I'm being accused of because the "case" on me is completely incoherent. If you believe I'm scum then it's very unlikely that VE is scum and you should be voting Toad. Pretty simple thought process there. | ||
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
Risen, some people may think VE is not scum because scummy people like BH are going against him with full-force without taking anything else into account. And this assumption is not a good one: NO TOWN DT WOULD CLAIM THERE. Like I said, his sanity and him claiming have nothing to do with his alignment. People just ignore that and talk about the other aspects of his claim, and about his behaviour, etc. Stop derailing the discussion about stupid assumptions of the DT sanities and shit. @wbg: All players are putting 100% of their attention in the Toad vs VE deal. I find you suspicious and want other people's stances on you and thoughts about you. I already explained why I want this before, so check my filter. | ||
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