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Barundar
Profile Joined May 2010
Denmark1582 Posts
April 27 2011 13:59 GMT
#1381
I would definitely recommend the [time ] command to anyone who host, it's a great feature for us who really can't tell the difference between the US time zones
Bartundar
Mr. Wiggles
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada5894 Posts
April 27 2011 22:24 GMT
#1382
On April 27 2011 22:59 Barundar wrote:
I would definitely recommend the [time ] command to anyone who host, it's a great feature for us who really can't tell the difference between the US time zones


Or how to convert from Korean time, of that GMT is Greenwich Mean Time, and not mountain Time.
>.> <.< >.>
you gotta dance
GMarshal
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States22154 Posts
April 28 2011 03:25 GMT
#1383
On April 27 2011 13:26 Qatol wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 27 2011 13:23 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
On April 27 2011 13:21 Qatol wrote:
On April 27 2011 13:16 Coagulation wrote:
On April 27 2011 13:09 Qatol wrote:
On April 27 2011 12:42 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
Well, I think Qatol's point is that Coag was acting insane and abrasive BEFORE any of the shit went down with the pardon and protact. So saying "I was mad because of all the shit in the game" may be a valid defense for what happened after the events, it doesn't excuse his previous behavior.

Although in Coag's defense, I don't think he was directly warned until after the first incident (judging by Qatol's log post).

Yes, this is my point. And yes he was warned on day 2 before the first incident. Also, there were 3 warnings, 1 in particular he should have guessed was aimed at him (talking about allcaps posting).

On April 27 2011 12:52 BrownBear wrote:
My opinion is at least some of his anger is justified. His team did kinda get screwed over, and Meapak did tell him to "be an ass" in thread. That said, nothing can excuse the level to which he took his anger and the level to which he shit all over the thread. "Be an ass" does not equal "make the game unplayable for everyone except you".

However, I tend to be a forgiving guy. So, I'm still going to support only a one game ban PROVIDED Coag agrees to the following things:

-I think he should apologize to his team and to anyone else who he offended in game. He can just write a general apology, but it should be meaningful, not a flippant "lol sorry".
-Also, he has said he's going to work to manage his behavior in the future. I believe him, but still I think if he ever gets modkilled for behavioral issues again, we should consider something like a 4-5 game ban.


On the subject of behavioral vs. inactivity modkills - it really depends on the situation. In this game, obviously, the behavior was more disruptive than the inactivity, but there was also a recent game where a DT checked a red, got back red, and then went inactive and didnt get the red lynched, in pretty much a LYLO situation. That really screwed town over worse than any spammer/flamer.

So unless we want to split up the punishments between inactivity and behavior, which seems like way too much work for Qatol, I vote we leave it as is.

This doesn't make any sense. You want a 1 game ban, but you want the punishments to be the same for behavior and inactivity? If the punishments are the same, he is getting a 3 game ban because he has a previous modkill. The only way what you are saying here makes sense is if you want different rules for how bans work. Is that what you want?


now your saying if people want to give me mercy we have to change the whole ban system? i dont understand the point of opening up discussion to see if people think i should be banned or not if your just gonna keep responding with "well thats not the way the system works"

We can do that, but people aren't even thinking about the system, they keep saying that more than 1 is unfair without talking about the system at all. I'm saying that the case is usually pretty exceptional to reduce what is usually a 3 game ban to a 1 game ban. Nobody is really explaining why this case is so exceptional. Therefore, I conclude that they disagree with how the ban list system works, but people aren't explaining how they would like to see it work either.


Dont cherry pick the system. You are opting to punish one person while exempting others from punishment. The reason for lowering his 3 game ban to 1 is to accomodate the fact that leniency is being shown to more than 3 vets. IF they were being punished I would have far less of a problem with coag taking 3 bans as per norm, but you can't expect him to sit back and eat 3 when people who did have a major factor in his behaviour get off scott free while doing something far worse.

Exceptions exist to all rules.

Dammit stop posting about that here. This discussion is not about Protactinium. It is only even tangentally related to Protactinium. PLUS, Protactinium's punishment hasn't been determined yet. I'm sick of your attitude on this. I'm about ready to just turn all of this over to the TL staff.

EDIT: He kept pushing over IM. Whatever, I'm done with this. You people deal with it yourselves.


Qatol, I hope that wasn't a "deal with it" that meant "deal with the mafia forums" I understand the situation is frustrating and you are under alot of stress, but dont ragequit over something this... stupid.

BC and Incog are already taking "extended breaks", seriously we are a community, theres no need to create bad blood over this, in the end even if things get a little heated we are friends, and theres no reason to make unnecessary drama.

I move to drop the whole protac issue and just slap coag with whatever the mod thinks a appropriate, whether its a ban or just a warning. This discussion/debate/drama has been going on for long enough.

In the end this "justice" matters very little if we are going to lose some of the best people around over it.
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kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
April 28 2011 03:40 GMT
#1384
On April 28 2011 12:25 GMarshal wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 27 2011 13:26 Qatol wrote:
On April 27 2011 13:23 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
On April 27 2011 13:21 Qatol wrote:
On April 27 2011 13:16 Coagulation wrote:
On April 27 2011 13:09 Qatol wrote:
On April 27 2011 12:42 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
Well, I think Qatol's point is that Coag was acting insane and abrasive BEFORE any of the shit went down with the pardon and protact. So saying "I was mad because of all the shit in the game" may be a valid defense for what happened after the events, it doesn't excuse his previous behavior.

Although in Coag's defense, I don't think he was directly warned until after the first incident (judging by Qatol's log post).

Yes, this is my point. And yes he was warned on day 2 before the first incident. Also, there were 3 warnings, 1 in particular he should have guessed was aimed at him (talking about allcaps posting).

On April 27 2011 12:52 BrownBear wrote:
My opinion is at least some of his anger is justified. His team did kinda get screwed over, and Meapak did tell him to "be an ass" in thread. That said, nothing can excuse the level to which he took his anger and the level to which he shit all over the thread. "Be an ass" does not equal "make the game unplayable for everyone except you".

However, I tend to be a forgiving guy. So, I'm still going to support only a one game ban PROVIDED Coag agrees to the following things:

-I think he should apologize to his team and to anyone else who he offended in game. He can just write a general apology, but it should be meaningful, not a flippant "lol sorry".
-Also, he has said he's going to work to manage his behavior in the future. I believe him, but still I think if he ever gets modkilled for behavioral issues again, we should consider something like a 4-5 game ban.


On the subject of behavioral vs. inactivity modkills - it really depends on the situation. In this game, obviously, the behavior was more disruptive than the inactivity, but there was also a recent game where a DT checked a red, got back red, and then went inactive and didnt get the red lynched, in pretty much a LYLO situation. That really screwed town over worse than any spammer/flamer.

So unless we want to split up the punishments between inactivity and behavior, which seems like way too much work for Qatol, I vote we leave it as is.

This doesn't make any sense. You want a 1 game ban, but you want the punishments to be the same for behavior and inactivity? If the punishments are the same, he is getting a 3 game ban because he has a previous modkill. The only way what you are saying here makes sense is if you want different rules for how bans work. Is that what you want?


now your saying if people want to give me mercy we have to change the whole ban system? i dont understand the point of opening up discussion to see if people think i should be banned or not if your just gonna keep responding with "well thats not the way the system works"

We can do that, but people aren't even thinking about the system, they keep saying that more than 1 is unfair without talking about the system at all. I'm saying that the case is usually pretty exceptional to reduce what is usually a 3 game ban to a 1 game ban. Nobody is really explaining why this case is so exceptional. Therefore, I conclude that they disagree with how the ban list system works, but people aren't explaining how they would like to see it work either.


Dont cherry pick the system. You are opting to punish one person while exempting others from punishment. The reason for lowering his 3 game ban to 1 is to accomodate the fact that leniency is being shown to more than 3 vets. IF they were being punished I would have far less of a problem with coag taking 3 bans as per norm, but you can't expect him to sit back and eat 3 when people who did have a major factor in his behaviour get off scott free while doing something far worse.

Exceptions exist to all rules.

Dammit stop posting about that here. This discussion is not about Protactinium. It is only even tangentally related to Protactinium. PLUS, Protactinium's punishment hasn't been determined yet. I'm sick of your attitude on this. I'm about ready to just turn all of this over to the TL staff.

EDIT: He kept pushing over IM. Whatever, I'm done with this. You people deal with it yourselves.


Qatol, I hope that wasn't a "deal with it" that meant "deal with the mafia forums" I understand the situation is frustrating and you are under alot of stress, but dont ragequit over something this... stupid.

BC and Incog are already taking "extended breaks", seriously we are a community, theres no need to create bad blood over this, in the end even if things get a little heated we are friends, and theres no reason to make unnecessary drama.

I move to drop the whole protac issue and just slap coag with whatever the mod thinks a appropriate, whether its a ban or just a warning. This discussion/debate/drama has been going on for long enough.

In the end this "justice" matters very little if we are going to lose some of the best people around over it.


Agreed. Think of the chaos we would have without you Qatol! Obviously everyone won't be pleased with every decision that is made, but I've never heard a negative comment about the way the ban thread is run. The effort you put into this is definitely appreciated. A month from now, nobody will even remember what we were arguing about in the first place.
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
Kavdragon
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1251 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-28 05:40:35
April 28 2011 05:26 GMT
#1385
Qatol, you've already done a TON for Mafia, and I'd be asking for more than I deserve if I asked you to stay. If you are really through with mafia then please go knowing that I, among many others here, are EXTREMELY thankful for what you have done already. The entire community is in debt to you.

Mafia is bound to be a charged environment with the amount of time and effort people invest into it, and the fact that something like this hasn't exploded till now is a testament to your moderating skills.

That being said, I do want you to stay. I think that you have done an admirable job of moderating, and I want to see TL continue to grow because of your efforts.

Whichever way your decision falls, please accept my long overdue gratitude and thanks for what you've done for us all.
I'm currently on an indefinite hiatus from TL =(
tube
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States1475 Posts
April 29 2011 05:20 GMT
#1386
well for whoever wants to help me get off the ban list im sitting out xxxix i think
Two in harmony surpasses one in perfection.
Random4
Profile Joined April 2011
24 Posts
April 29 2011 06:51 GMT
#1387
On April 28 2011 14:26 Kavdragon wrote:
Qatol, you've already done a TON for Mafia, and I'd be asking for more than I deserve if I asked you to stay. If you are really through with mafia then please go knowing that I, among many others here, are EXTREMELY thankful for what you have done already. The entire community is in debt to you.

Mafia is bound to be a charged environment with the amount of time and effort people invest into it, and the fact that something like this hasn't exploded till now is a testament to your moderating skills.

That being said, I do want you to stay. I think that you have done an admirable job of moderating, and I want to see TL continue to grow because of your efforts.

Whichever way your decision falls, please accept my long overdue gratitude and thanks for what you've done for us all.


I would legitimately feel awful if I just quoted and said "this"

You're my hero Qatol.
^(proper grammar)
You have set my bed every morning, when I get up and say "Today, I'm Batman"
I know behind every game I play and every game I never host, there is a Qatol, waiting with a hammer, should bum require his aid.

You complete me, Qatol. You complete me twice. Two circles, one knocked into another dimension from pure wholeness. And then another fraction of completion that's just like 'wtf?'
bumatlarge
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States4567 Posts
April 29 2011 06:53 GMT
#1388
Look Qatol, random4 in complete delusion thought he was me while thinking about you. This is what you do to people. You should not feel guilty about what you cannot control.
Together but separate, like oatmeal
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-29 07:06:52
April 29 2011 07:05 GMT
#1389
wrong thread.
RebirthOfLeGenD
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
USA5860 Posts
April 29 2011 19:29 GMT
#1390
You sir are lucky you are dead already!

And Qatol, I haven't said anything but I'd miss you if you left too. I always value your input and the incredible amount of work and dedication you have to this forum. If you choose to come back or not either way there is a spot for you here and you have our eternal gratitude.
Be a man, Become a Legend. TL Mafia Forum Ask for access!!
rredtooth
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
5464 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-29 20:43:05
April 29 2011 20:42 GMT
#1391
Wow what happened to all the old people?
Qatol is leaving.
Now I learn that BC is gone, too.
Guys I just came back, don't go!

I miss you Ace.
I miss you L.
I miss you Camlito.
I miss you MrBabyHands.
I miss you 0zc3eu or whatever it was.
I miss you Ver.
I miss you everybody else whom I forgot.

I don't miss you Chezinu.
And Caller sucks at life.
[formerly sponsored by the artist formerly known as Gene]
Coagulation
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States9633 Posts
April 29 2011 20:47 GMT
#1392
so i just wanted to point out that my ban has been opened for discussion with a decision pending closing of said discussion however with qatol quiting the ban thread i am now forever floating in ban list limbo.
Coagulation
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States9633 Posts
April 29 2011 20:51 GMT
#1393
Heres a picture to help visualize my situation.
[image loading]
Jackal58
Profile Joined November 2010
United States4264 Posts
April 29 2011 20:56 GMT
#1394
On April 30 2011 05:51 Coagulation wrote:
Heres a picture to help visualize my situation.
[image loading]


Looks more like this:
[image loading]
Life can only kill you once.
chaoser
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States5541 Posts
April 29 2011 21:07 GMT
#1395
The hosts called for 1 game ban, let's just let it rest at that for the time being
Haven't you heard? I'm not an ex-progamer. I'm not a poker player. I'm not an admin of the site. I'm mother fucking Rekrul.
iGrok
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5142 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-29 23:08:37
April 29 2011 23:00 GMT
#1396
I'd like to request a ban for Zorkmid.

After ragequitting the game, he was replaced. He then posted later in the midst of a discussion about his role.

Post can be seen here.

This is entirely unacceptable.

I'm not sure how long is appropriate for that.
MOTM | Stim.tv | TL Mafia | Fantasy Fighting! | SNSD
GMarshal
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States22154 Posts
April 29 2011 23:10 GMT
#1397
On April 30 2011 08:00 iGrok wrote:
I'd like to request a ban for Zorkmid.

After ragequitting the game, he was replaced. He then posted later in the midst of a discussion about his role.

Post can be seen here.

This is entirely unacceptable.

I'm not sure how long is appropriate for that.


According to him he didn't realize, and he edited it out as soon as he saw my PM apparently

Original Message From Zorkmid:
ty didnt realize
Show nested quote +
Original Message From GMarshal:
Edit out your comment, now.
You quit, stop making comments on the game. If you play you play, if you dont you dont.


can we discuss this postgame?
Moderator
Coagulation
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States9633 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-29 23:14:46
April 29 2011 23:12 GMT
#1398
wait he didnt realize hes not allowed to post in game or he didnt realize that he had posted in the game.

Either way its lonely in the void. i would like some company.
iGrok
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5142 Posts
April 29 2011 23:18 GMT
#1399
We'll discuss postgame.
MOTM | Stim.tv | TL Mafia | Fantasy Fighting! | SNSD
Varpulis
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States2517 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-29 23:41:34
April 29 2011 23:41 GMT
#1400
I've got some thoughts on the Zorkmid issue, but I'll wait 'till postgame.
Zorkmid was just temp banned for 2 weeks by Hot_Bid.

That account was created on 2008-11-24 08:36:40 and had 938 posts.

Reason: Don't screw up mafia games.

Hot_Bid gave him a 2 week ban so he won't interrupt the game again.
For he is the Oystermeister, lord of all the oysters.
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