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On August 29 2012 16:55 Djagulingu wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2012 16:43 Shady Sands wrote:On August 29 2012 16:41 Djagulingu wrote:On August 29 2012 16:28 Shady Sands wrote:On August 29 2012 16:25 Djagulingu wrote:On August 29 2012 16:20 Shady Sands wrote:On August 29 2012 16:17 Djagulingu wrote:On August 29 2012 16:06 Shady Sands wrote:
Vote Lvdr or else I will call my friend to find your IP address and DDOS you back to the stone age. Try your best son. On Lvdr though, he's my suspect #4. Being #4 on my list, he still has 70-30 odds of being a scumbag. My reasons are slightly different though, he's taking advantage from my case over Chezinu/talis/iamp trio that I used him for and using this advantage into laying low for a bit. I don't like that. Except he's laid low ever since the D1 mislynch. And how is him using your case on Chez/talis/IamP turn into an advantage that lets him lay low for a bit? He sees that he's currently out of the spotlight and thinks that we now see him as a townie (at least me) but still afraid to come into the discussion because he doesn't want back in. I don't like that. Why would a townie be afraid of the spotlight in the first place? Got it. And none of my other tells on him stick? So Lvdr at this point has offered the town no reads at all since D1, while claiming to have scumreads on 2 people. In addition he's sheeping Marv yet again and making excuses for his lurky behavior when he clearly had a much higher activity level in the game where he was town. I don't know which one is worse. The way he's playing on day 3 or this being actually a progress. He provided zero reads (except for talismania, if you call that a read that is) until the end of day 2, now comes up with the read on talismania. There is something wrong with him but I don't know what. So even with all that you're still reading him as less scummy than Talis, who has actually stepped up tremendously in posting? I mean, Talis even somehow got Chez to stop trolling all of us. That's crazy. Also, I find it odd how you could call for a Talis/Chez/IamP scumteam when the three were basically on the verge of FoSing each other earlier today. It reminded me of the ending scene from the Good the Bad and the Ugly in there for a while. It was at least 70% my effort that helped Chez to stop with the trolling bullshit of him (that is if he actually stopped). And this shit reminds me of the Reservoir Dogs more than the Good the Bad and the Ugly. Up until I called them out, nobody was doing nothing, now they felt their asses are on fire and they are all trying to find who was the leak.
Fair enough. But is that behavior worth a vote? I mean, generally scum don't alter their behavior in response to a townread, only to votes, yet they all changed their behavior before you even voted them.
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On August 29 2012 17:00 Shady Sands wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2012 16:55 Djagulingu wrote:On August 29 2012 16:43 Shady Sands wrote:On August 29 2012 16:41 Djagulingu wrote:On August 29 2012 16:28 Shady Sands wrote:On August 29 2012 16:25 Djagulingu wrote:On August 29 2012 16:20 Shady Sands wrote:On August 29 2012 16:17 Djagulingu wrote:On August 29 2012 16:06 Shady Sands wrote:
Vote Lvdr or else I will call my friend to find your IP address and DDOS you back to the stone age. Try your best son. On Lvdr though, he's my suspect #4. Being #4 on my list, he still has 70-30 odds of being a scumbag. My reasons are slightly different though, he's taking advantage from my case over Chezinu/talis/iamp trio that I used him for and using this advantage into laying low for a bit. I don't like that. Except he's laid low ever since the D1 mislynch. And how is him using your case on Chez/talis/IamP turn into an advantage that lets him lay low for a bit? He sees that he's currently out of the spotlight and thinks that we now see him as a townie (at least me) but still afraid to come into the discussion because he doesn't want back in. I don't like that. Why would a townie be afraid of the spotlight in the first place? Got it. And none of my other tells on him stick? So Lvdr at this point has offered the town no reads at all since D1, while claiming to have scumreads on 2 people. In addition he's sheeping Marv yet again and making excuses for his lurky behavior when he clearly had a much higher activity level in the game where he was town. I don't know which one is worse. The way he's playing on day 3 or this being actually a progress. He provided zero reads (except for talismania, if you call that a read that is) until the end of day 2, now comes up with the read on talismania. There is something wrong with him but I don't know what. So even with all that you're still reading him as less scummy than Talis, who has actually stepped up tremendously in posting? I mean, Talis even somehow got Chez to stop trolling all of us. That's crazy. Also, I find it odd how you could call for a Talis/Chez/IamP scumteam when the three were basically on the verge of FoSing each other earlier today. It reminded me of the ending scene from the Good the Bad and the Ugly in there for a while. It was at least 70% my effort that helped Chez to stop with the trolling bullshit of him (that is if he actually stopped). And this shit reminds me of the Reservoir Dogs more than the Good the Bad and the Ugly. Up until I called them out, nobody was doing nothing, now they felt their asses are on fire and they are all trying to find who was the leak. Fair enough. But is that behavior worth a vote? I mean, generally scum don't alter their behavior in response to a townread, only to votes, yet they all changed their behavior before you even voted them.
They all changed their behavior? Not until the end of D2, I called them out on N2 when they were still the same. In D3, they are going around FoSing each other and shit. They are smart enough to do this change more smoothly though.
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On August 29 2012 17:10 Djagulingu wrote:
EBWOP: At least that's what I'm thinking now.ç
Here's the problem with your reasoning though: I don't see the links between them that you do. If one of them flips scum or flips town, we may end up ascribing them all false innocence or false guilt. I want to consider them all on a one-by-one basis.
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ebwop on a one on one basis, I don't think lynching any of them has more value than lynching Lvdr at this moment.
Depending on how Lvdr flips, we can gain a lot of credibility into VE/Milton AND IamP as well.
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You're right Shady, so let's go back to the basics:
iamperfection: Goes in for BL, sheeps onto Marv at the end of day 1, Obv gets lynched. Day 2, he goes in for BL again with this:
On August 25 2012 12:55 iamperfection wrote:
We finish what we should have done yesterday.
## Vote Bluelightz
I agree that shit that BL did was odd and there was nobody else other than me and him in the day 2, thinking that BL could be a scumbag.
End of D2, he goes in on me right after you, tries to interrogate me a bit, but because I was sleeping, I didn't answer, his vote on me stood. Looks pretty good up to now.
D3, he starts by defending Chezinu from me, looks to get persuaded then, pulls back his vote from me. Up to now, he looks pretty good. But still,
On August 29 2012 00:40 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2012 00:36 Shady Sands wrote:
IamP, what's your read on Chez? Not DJ or anyone else, just Chez. He is a troll so I dont know.
this seems a bit dodgy. Nothing except this though.
talismania:
On August 23 2012 06:59 talismania wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2012 06:54 VisceraEyes wrote:On August 23 2012 06:51 Lvdr wrote:
Take 3: Does VE have a history of successfully reading scum d1? aka What is the chance that Shady flips red based on Ve's read? AH, the CRUX. In asking if I have a history of "successfully reading scum D1", ven if I have 100% accuracy in the past, this is completely meaningless unless you are operating under the premise that I'm town and am READING Shady. It shows his true thoughts on me (that I'm town) hiding beneath his actions (his vote, the questions, the ruse) and betrays preexisting knowledge of my alignment. Chez, you truly are inspirational. ##Unvote
##Vote Lvdr holy shit that's genius ##vote:lvdr
Besides the post that was composed of his poor end-of-day1 reads, all he did in day 1 in terms of scumhunting is this. Sheeping on Lvdr. Day 2, he only comes in to vote. Day 3, he was on me and my move on D2 for the whole time he was here. After I made my defense about it, he has gone away and never come back. He should have done more imo.
On August 29 2012 13:25 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2012 12:27 talismania wrote:
/in
don't think I'll be as superactive as I was in mad men but I should meet my normal standards. Tails said he wouldnt be as active this is a completetly diffrent then his actvity levels in the mad men game. I dont understand Show nested quote +On August 24 2012 15:31 talismania wrote:
sorry to everyone and the hosts for being completely absent today. I'm basically only able to post at work (I prefer spending time with gf when at home - she was out of town for most of mad men) and today ended up being kind of crazy in lab. I knew these past two weeks would be a little rough hence my pregame post but that's no excuse for entirely missing the last day of the cycle :-(
off to bed, I'll read through in the am. So he apologizes for being afk so much but then does this Show nested quote +On August 27 2012 10:50 talismania wrote:
##vote: dj
Sorry went camping no clue whats going on but just saw the vote total hope this helps Why not warn us that he is going camping? I think its because he full of shit ## Vote talismania
Like Iamperfection says here, he's full of shit.
Chezinu: He plays around with his votes for the most of the time on day 1, trying to look like he's participating scum hunts and shit. Votes on D1 have little to no explanations though. Then, on D2 he places his vote on Lvdr, doesn't seem to explain a reason, then on me, still no reason, comes back to explain his reasons in this:
On August 29 2012 06:01 Chezinu wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2012 05:24 Djagulingu wrote:
Sorry to say but he's bandwagoning for 2 days of game time without providing reasons. He bandwagoned on Obvious, then Lvdr, then me. After bandwagoning on me on D2, I'm only 8th in his list in D3. Some things don't make sense here.
Read my filter. If you really want reasons so bad, I will tell you. Palmar is known to be a great player as well as VE. They were really the only two people I focused on during day 1. If any one was going to get lynched, it was suspects chosen by one of the two. We end up trying to lynch lvdr first. He was one of my first suspects. Then I saw VE defending him and accused VE. Palmar comes into the thread suspecting obvious. Knowing Palmar had a talent of finding scum I voted obvious along with him. I had suspicions at the time that mafia was trying to get a no lynch because the votes were so spread out. So, I tried to get people to consolidate their vote. No one was voting obvious, so I think I might have switch to lvdr after that - I don't fully recall, you can check if you want. I know I was busy in RL at the time and disappeared for a while. When I came back somehow everyone was voting bluelight - I don't recall the reason. To aviod a no lynch, I jumped on board. Then blue was acting as if he was already dead. I remember writing in the thread that I thought it wasn't insta lynch - which I ended up being right. Blue has an ephany and realizes that he wasn't dead and posts a document calling almost everyone town. It was funny and we all laughed. Then we realized that mafia would never let one of their own members do something so foolish. So we decided to switch after the realization that everyone was actively lurking (we could see how many people viewed the document). So we jumped on to Palmar's suspect, Obvious. Cause Palmar had the best chance of catching scum. Unfortunately, obvious was town. Then mafia killed Palmar, who was the most towniest of all of us. It reminded me of when WBG died in my last game (however this reference is meaningless this game cause VE is no longer playing and no one will get my references), Now for Day 2...day 2 is kind of a blurr to me. I do remember voting lvdr to finally try to get him to flip. I come back at the end of the day and no one was voting for lvdr. However there was 3 votes on you (Dj), two of which were Iamperfection and Shady. Two people I trust to be town - they both have defended me. Mafia would never defend a troll like me. Most mafia would actually do the opposite and try and get me lynched. From experience, I am inclined to trust them. There happy, I responded to you!
Seems like full of bullshit to me. He's basically confessing to have shept on Obv, Lvdr and me in this chronological order. Rest of his posts include nothing but BS except for this one:
On August 29 2012 03:28 Chezinu wrote:
my list:
1.) marvellosity
2.) talismania
3.) Lvdr
8.) Djagulingu
10.) Kville
11.) Miltonkram
so far I think almost everyone is comfortable saying bluelight is town? Add in that I believe shady is innocent along with iamperfection and you get the above list. So now, let everyone highlight 3 names on that list that they think are mafia like this:
1.) marvellosity
2.) talismania
3.) Lvdr
8.) Djagulingu
10.) Kville
11.) Miltonkram
Good reads imo. Lvdr and talis were #4 and #2 at the start of D3, after reading filters all along, they are now #3 and #1. Chezinu back down to #2 and will stay there. He needs to participate even more. He has some plans but he's hiding them from us. We don't even know if this is his own list or not. He starts with "my list:" but well.. Reasons would be pretty persuasive.
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On August 29 2012 17:15 Shady Sands wrote:
ebwop on a one on one basis, I don't think lynching any of them has more value than lynching Lvdr at this moment.
Depending on how Lvdr flips, we can gain a lot of credibility into VE/Milton AND IamP as well.
This is meaningless twaddle. Who gives a flying shit about the credibility of a bunch of players? The only thing that matters is who is likeliest to flip scum. The fact that you're suggesting otherwise is horrible.
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Ok, having caught up on the thread a few things have jumped out to me.
Firstly, because of general inactivity and the accusations that have been flying every which way between the active posters in the thread I think the correct play for scum has been to lay low. I'm looking at several players who have avoided putting out a lot of content, specifically Chezinu, Talismania, iamperfection, and KVille. At this moment I'd be fine with a lynch on any of them, but especially Chezinu. I realize he plays trolly, but he hasn't contributed much more than placeholder votes at the end of the days. This is bullshit. Feel free to hoist him up and I'll make sure to dance on his grave.
It seems like there is a decent amount of traction towards a talismania lynch. While my gut prefers a Chezinu lynch, I can happily get behind this lynch as well. Having played with talis in the past, I think he's been inactive/unhelpful enough to warrant a lynch.
I'm pretty tired and catching up on the thread while I probably should have been sleeping has left my brain fried. I'll hopefully get some more time when I wake up to put together more complete cases. Night everybody.
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On August 29 2012 20:44 Miltonkram wrote:
Ok, having caught up on the thread a few things have jumped out to me.
Firstly, because of general inactivity and the accusations that have been flying every which way between the active posters in the thread I think the correct play for scum has been to lay low. I'm looking at several players who have avoided putting out a lot of content, specifically Chezinu, Talismania, iamperfection, and KVille. At this moment I'd be fine with a lynch on any of them, but especially Chezinu. I realize he plays trolly, but he hasn't contributed much more than placeholder votes at the end of the days. This is bullshit. Feel free to hoist him up and I'll make sure to dance on his grave.
It seems like there is a decent amount of traction towards a talismania lynch. While my gut prefers a Chezinu lynch, I can happily get behind this lynch as well. Having played with talis in the past, I think he's been inactive/unhelpful enough to warrant a lynch.
I'm pretty tired and catching up on the thread while I probably should have been sleeping has left my brain fried. I'll hopefully get some more time when I wake up to put together more complete cases. Night everybody.
To the bold, this could well be a good shout.
Lvdr, do you have a 2nd read behind talis?
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Becuase everything he says is complete shit and this just proved it even more.
After posting my actual plan and my prime suspect, resulting to shit and shit, I now had 1.5x more evidence than I actually intended for, against Chezinu.
The only reason I chose Lvdr to be the "bait" was because he was my top scum read at the end of day 1, but he was still 60-40 tops. I needed to have anything for both of that 60 AND the 40, 40% is too high to be neglected.
The fact that he said lvdr was only used as bait is what pissed me off and also they way you guys have accepted it. It provided nothing. So let me debug this "Bait" into reality.
He was 100% into lynching lvdr and wanted him out and what will happen next after he flips town? "Oh sorry, but I did say if he was town then it MUST be Chez!!!" huh? already making meaningless chains of lynches? Has no one ever thought he is trying to lynch two possible innocent based on the fact of just sheeping?
I don't know if there is a better target than Lvdr tbh, he's my one of my top scumreads
##Vote: Lvdr
Nothing about him makes me think that he's a townie.
Lvdr lynch will give a big time info to us. If he flips scum, we're good. If he is townie, then we have all the reasons to suspect Chezinu.
my strat was rather simple and you may consider it bad too: Push a target into lynch ....
Don't get me wrong, the guy would have made a brilliant excuse to avoid why he tried to lynch two 'innocents' in a row... if we were only that simpled minded.
But the only reasoning behind his lynches are these:
He joins obvious bandwagon
see how some tried to bandwagon into Lvdr, see how they tried to bandwagon into me.
I saw Chezinu bandwagoning
Lvdr tbh, he's my one of my top scumreads and the fact that he very openly bandwagoned down Obvious
Anyone else see the pattern here?
This is why I want this kid gone. He may write a post full of cool shiny things but in the end its nothing but a scum post of BLAH.
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Djagulingu (0):
iamperfection
Kville
iamperfection (0):
Shady Sands
Chezinu (1):
Djagulingu
Bluelightz
Lvdr (3):
Chezinu
Shady Sands
Kville
talismania (4):
marvellosity
iamperfection
Lvdr
Djagulingu
Have not voted (2):
talismania
miltonkram
If I count correctly, that is.
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I don't know, talis's post's seem's townie compared to his scum game in Pick Your Poison, granted in PYP he was active, but I dunno, I'll vote talis before I sleep though to consolidate (as I won't be there for the deadline, school started).
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On August 29 2012 22:57 Bluelightz wrote:
I don't know, talis's post's seem's townie compared to his scum game in Pick Your Poison, granted in PYP he was active, but I dunno, I'll vote talis before I sleep though to consolidate (as I won't be there for the deadline, school started).
Maybe they lost convincingly in that game and he's trying to work on his scum play?
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On August 29 2012 23:45 Djagulingu wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2012 22:57 Bluelightz wrote:
I don't know, talis's post's seem's townie compared to his scum game in Pick Your Poison, granted in PYP he was active, but I dunno, I'll vote talis before I sleep though to consolidate (as I won't be there for the deadline, school started). Maybe they lost convincingly in that game and he's trying to work on his scum play?
Well, I have an odd feeling that you might be scum, and that your pushing for the easy lynch today, and I think talis is town, from his reasoning on not being active.
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On August 29 2012 19:31 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2012 17:15 Shady Sands wrote:
ebwop on a one on one basis, I don't think lynching any of them has more value than lynching Lvdr at this moment.
Depending on how Lvdr flips, we can gain a lot of credibility into VE/Milton AND IamP as well. This is meaningless twaddle. Who gives a flying shit about the credibility of a bunch of players? The only thing that matters is who is likeliest to flip scum. The fact that you're suggesting otherwise is horrible.
Wrong word choice there. Should read:
We can gain a lot of insight into VE/Milton AND IamP as well.
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On August 29 2012 22:57 Bluelightz wrote:
I don't know, talis's post's seem's townie compared to his scum game in Pick Your Poison, granted in PYP he was active, but I dunno, I'll vote talis before I sleep though to consolidate (as I won't be there for the deadline, school started).
Bluelightz this is WIFOMy and weak, and a complete sheeping justification for a vote on Talis.
FoS Bluelightz
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On August 29 2012 20:44 Miltonkram wrote:
Ok, having caught up on the thread a few things have jumped out to me.
Firstly, because of general inactivity and the accusations that have been flying every which way between the active posters in the thread I think the correct play for scum has been to lay low. I'm looking at several players who have avoided putting out a lot of content, specifically Chezinu, Talismania, iamperfection, and KVille. At this moment I'd be fine with a lynch on any of them, but especially Chezinu. I realize he plays trolly, but he hasn't contributed much more than placeholder votes at the end of the days. This is bullshit. Feel free to hoist him up and I'll make sure to dance on his grave.
It seems like there is a decent amount of traction towards a talismania lynch. While my gut prefers a Chezinu lynch, I can happily get behind this lynch as well. Having played with talis in the past, I think he's been inactive/unhelpful enough to warrant a lynch.
I'm pretty tired and catching up on the thread while I probably should have been sleeping has left my brain fried. I'll hopefully get some more time when I wake up to put together more complete cases. Night everybody.
How can you ignore Lvdr's scummy play thus far? Read the case on him, and then read his filter.
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On August 29 2012 20:55 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2012 20:44 Miltonkram wrote:
Ok, having caught up on the thread a few things have jumped out to me.
Firstly, because of general inactivity and the accusations that have been flying every which way between the active posters in the thread I think the correct play for scum has been to lay low. I'm looking at several players who have avoided putting out a lot of content, specifically Chezinu, Talismania, iamperfection, and KVille. At this moment I'd be fine with a lynch on any of them, but especially Chezinu. I realize he plays trolly, but he hasn't contributed much more than placeholder votes at the end of the days. This is bullshit. Feel free to hoist him up and I'll make sure to dance on his grave.
It seems like there is a decent amount of traction towards a talismania lynch. While my gut prefers a Chezinu lynch, I can happily get behind this lynch as well. Having played with talis in the past, I think he's been inactive/unhelpful enough to warrant a lynch.
I'm pretty tired and catching up on the thread while I probably should have been sleeping has left my brain fried. I'll hopefully get some more time when I wake up to put together more complete cases. Night everybody. To the bold, this could well be a good shout. Lvdr, do you have a 2nd read behind talis?
Thanks for drawing attention to this.
Marv, do you have 2nd and 3rd reads behind talis?
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On August 30 2012 00:32 Shady Sands wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2012 20:55 marvellosity wrote:On August 29 2012 20:44 Miltonkram wrote:
Ok, having caught up on the thread a few things have jumped out to me.
Firstly, because of general inactivity and the accusations that have been flying every which way between the active posters in the thread I think the correct play for scum has been to lay low. I'm looking at several players who have avoided putting out a lot of content, specifically Chezinu, Talismania, iamperfection, and KVille. At this moment I'd be fine with a lynch on any of them, but especially Chezinu. I realize he plays trolly, but he hasn't contributed much more than placeholder votes at the end of the days. This is bullshit. Feel free to hoist him up and I'll make sure to dance on his grave.
It seems like there is a decent amount of traction towards a talismania lynch. While my gut prefers a Chezinu lynch, I can happily get behind this lynch as well. Having played with talis in the past, I think he's been inactive/unhelpful enough to warrant a lynch.
I'm pretty tired and catching up on the thread while I probably should have been sleeping has left my brain fried. I'll hopefully get some more time when I wake up to put together more complete cases. Night everybody. To the bold, this could well be a good shout. Lvdr, do you have a 2nd read behind talis? Thanks for drawing attention to this. Marv, do you have 2nd and 3rd reads behind talis?
iamperfection/Lvdr are secondary, weaker reads, Chez as the wildcard.
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