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On August 29 2012 07:45 Miltonkram wrote:
Hey all, I've been busy ever since I replaced in and I'll be leaving for work in a few minutes. Once I get back from work tonight I'll do my best to get caught up on the game and give you guys my reads. With that I'll leave you with my standard intro.

First things first, here is a list of games I've played in and links to my filters from those games. I start all my games with a list like this because it helps me improve. If I'm scum, I have to avoid playing closely to my scum meta. If I'm town, I put pressure on myself to make good reads. The list is spoilered so as not to take up space.
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On August 29 2012 08:18 Lvdr wrote:
I'm back. I was focusing on my other game. Still read along here, but didn't have much jump out at me. Going to do a close reading.

Regarding talis, I would give him no better than a null read. 2 points that stuck out to me.
1. The activity is quite low, and not particularly filled with content. I wouldn't call it downright scummy though.
2. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=359836&currentpage=25#497
This post latches on to a stretch of a case, complete agreement, no further points made, never revisited beyond his initial AHA moment.

On August 29 2012 09:50 Shady Sands wrote:
Lvdr, I'd like to hear an explanation as to why you decided to sheep Marv's wagon for Talis when your read on Talis was the following:



Also, your play in this game is completely different from your town play in XXV. Part of the reason I quit XXV was so that I could clearly call everyone's attention here to your confirmed town play there versus your play here. I would encourage everyone who is still on the fence about Lvdr to see his play there versus his play here:

Lvdr's filter from this game: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=359836&user=278119
Lvdr's filter from XXV, where he was confirmed town: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=361579&user=278119

Look at how much more engaged Lvdr is when he plays town--look at how much he sticks around at lynch time and tries to drive a read home rather than going AFK and saying he has to eat, then sheeping other players.

Anyhow, at this point I think lynching him will give us more of a read on a bunch of other players too. I'm going to switch things around.

## Unvote
## Vote Lvdr
## FoS IamP
## FoS Marv

I think he is our best D2 lynch candidate. I will be around tomorrow prior to 2-3 hours prior to lynch time to round up votes.

On August 24 2012 10:06 Lvdr wrote:
I'm willing to consolodate on obvious, but i dont like tht so many people are afk so close to the deadline. This is pathetic.

##obvious.660

On August 27 2012 05:17 Lvdr wrote:
##Vote: Talismania

Let's see what happens.

On August 28 2012 23:45 iamperfection wrote:
marvelosity is smarter than me.

## unvote

On August 29 2012 10:14 marvellosity wrote:


Some of this case is actually pretty good. As for the bold, I went digging and found the following. This is around the Day 1 lynch deadline:



Berating town for being afk. Then on Day 2, we have instead:



followed by a post a few minutes after. Then not a peep from him in the next 6 or so hours coming up to lynch time. My previous read on him had related to how he was engaged and participating with town (check my filter) and firstly this hasn't been the case recently, and secondly the fairly glaring contradiction above, is making me reconsider. I'm quite conflicted, because quite a lot of his early play was pretty townie. As town knows I didn't think at all his scumslip was a scumslip, and he's been present and active at least some of the time, compared to...

...talis, who still needs to die die die. He's useless and he's never useless as town. He was totally absent for both lynches and seemingly doesn't give a shit who gets lynched.

I outlined the case against iamperfection earlier in the day. What makes me doubt my read is this response to me on the DJ-lingu issue:



Usually scum stick to their guns and don't back down with humility like that. It very much reminds me of Mattchew in Magic Mini backing down and voting for my scumread there (I can dig it out if people really want).

We should really be lynching talismania today. I can't imagine a scenario where he's town. Nothing he's done tells me he might be town.

##Vote: talismania

On August 29 2012 05:47 talismania wrote:
ok dj I understand what you're trying to say but it doesn't hang together.

This is the post that you said later was intended half as bait:



Your claimed trap was to push a lynch on lvdr, who you supposedly think might be scum. if he is, great, if he isn't maybe you can catch people bandwagoning. So far... ok. But at the time you made that post, you already had two people voting behind you. So the actual trap part wasn't this post, it was the part where you voted lvdr. This doesn't contribute to the supposed trap. Instead it sounds like what it probably is: lynch lvdr, if he flips town, lynch chez. In essence, justifying two days of votes at once, which smells like scum. That isn't bait for anything, and calling it that is a clumsy way to recast your actions.

On August 09 2012 07:56 marvellosity wrote:
it was my breadcrumb, donkeyface.

anyway i mostly followed day 1 and kinda tapered off day 2 so have some catching up to do.

my preliminary reads coming in are that talis is town

wbg is scum for his case on grush

On August 29 2012 10:53 marvellosity wrote:
Feigning some contribution day 3 does not mean he's town.

This is my 6th? (maybe 7th) game with talis, so I've probably played with him more than he's played with anyone else on TL Mafia. When I subbed into Mad Men Day 3, I hadn't really read the thread properly yet, but:



and then I didn't wanna lynch him even though he had a red-check on him (he turned out miller). I know a town talis when I see one. The thing is the meta points to him being scum, but in addition he's done jack shit this game. His vote was useless and abandoned day 1, day 2 he only turned up right at the end to sheep. That's scummy play all on its own.

On August 29 2012 11:00 Shady Sands wrote:


How do you know he's only feigning contribution or not? Instead of looking to quantity, look to quality. Talis' posts really forced Chez and IamP to go straight with their trap/baiting claims on each other. That's very helpful. Look at Lvdr now. Can you honestly say the same?

On August 29 2012 11:05 marvellosity wrote:


Yes, I would say overall Lvdr has been more proactive and helpful. At least he cared enough to participate in the day 1 lynch. He may be scum, but talis is scum.

On August 29 2012 11:11 marvellosity wrote:
I think we could go tit for tat all day here. I think the town needs more contribution than just us two talking.

On August 29 2012 03:50 talismania wrote:


I had one before and still do. I was hoping to get some reaction from him before jumping down his throat or anything though.

On August 29 2012 12:13 Kville wrote:
Just for the sake of having some progress this day period I'll go for ldvr but if this kidflips town dj is done day 4.

##Vote ldvr

On August 13 2012 12:27 talismania wrote:
/in

don't think I'll be as superactive as I was in mad men but I should meet my normal standards.

On August 24 2012 15:31 talismania wrote:
sorry to everyone and the hosts for being completely absent today. I'm basically only able to post at work (I prefer spending time with gf when at home - she was out of town for most of mad men) and today ended up being kind of crazy in lab. I knew these past two weeks would be a little rough hence my pregame post but that's no excuse for entirely missing the last day of the cycle :-(

off to bed, I'll read through in the am.

On August 27 2012 10:50 talismania wrote:
##vote: dj

Sorry went camping no clue whats going on but just saw the vote total hope this helps

On August 29 2012 06:01 Chezinu wrote:


Read my filter. If you really want reasons so bad, I will tell you. Palmar is known to be a great player as well as VE. They were really the only two people I focused on during day 1. If any one was going to get lynched, it was suspects chosen by one of the two. We end up trying to lynch lvdr first. He was one of my first suspects. Then I saw VE defending him and accused VE. Palmar comes into the thread suspecting obvious. Knowing Palmar had a talent of finding scum I voted obvious along with him. I had suspicions at the time that mafia was trying to get a no lynch because the votes were so spread out. So, I tried to get people to consolidate their vote. No one was voting obvious, so I think I might have switch to lvdr after that - I don't fully recall, you can check if you want. I know I was busy in RL at the time and disappeared for a while. When I came back somehow everyone was voting bluelight - I don't recall the reason. To aviod a no lynch, I jumped on board. Then blue was acting as if he was already dead. I remember writing in the thread that I thought it wasn't insta lynch - which I ended up being right. Blue has an ephany and realizes that he wasn't dead and posts a document calling almost everyone town. It was funny and we all laughed. Then we realized that mafia would never let one of their own members do something so foolish. So we decided to switch after the realization that everyone was actively lurking (we could see how many people viewed the document). So we jumped on to Palmar's suspect, Obvious. Cause Palmar had the best chance of catching scum. Unfortunately, obvious was town. Then mafia killed Palmar, who was the most towniest of all of us. It reminded me of when WBG died in my last game (however this reference is meaningless this game cause VE is no longer playing and no one will get my references), Now for Day 2...day 2 is kind of a blurr to me. I do remember voting lvdr to finally try to get him to flip. I come back at the end of the day and no one was voting for lvdr. However there was 3 votes on you (Dj), two of which were Iamperfection and Shady. Two people I trust to be town - they both have defended me. Mafia would never defend a troll like me. Most mafia would actually do the opposite and try and get me lynched. From experience, I am inclined to trust them. There happy, I responded to you!

On August 29 2012 12:16 Shady Sands wrote:


KVille what are your other reads? Could you elaborate on why DJ needs to be gone D4?