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Shady Sands
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
United States4021 Posts
August 29 2012 06:49 GMT
#1261
So again we have IamP and Lvdr sheeping Marv. This is really strange, especially Lvdr's vote where he drops hints of FoSing me, but ends up voting Talis anyhow with no explanation.
Что?
Shady Sands
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
United States4021 Posts
August 29 2012 06:51 GMT
#1262
Note that the above is a null tell for Marv, since there is no way for a townie to prevent himself from getting sheeped.

Note also that this time the sheeping on Marv happened with a different candidate as well. First it was Obvious, now it's Talis--why?
Что?
Shady Sands
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
United States4021 Posts
August 29 2012 06:51 GMT
#1263
DJ, I'm curious to hear in more detail why you want to vote Talis over Lvdr or Chez.
Что?
Shady Sands
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
United States4021 Posts
August 29 2012 06:57 GMT
#1264
On August 29 2012 13:25 iamperfection wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 13 2012 12:27 talismania wrote:
/in

don't think I'll be as superactive as I was in mad men but I should meet my normal standards.


Tails said he wouldnt be as active this is a completetly diffrent then his actvity levels in the mad men game. I dont understand

Show nested quote +
On August 24 2012 15:31 talismania wrote:
sorry to everyone and the hosts for being completely absent today. I'm basically only able to post at work (I prefer spending time with gf when at home - she was out of town for most of mad men) and today ended up being kind of crazy in lab. I knew these past two weeks would be a little rough hence my pregame post but that's no excuse for entirely missing the last day of the cycle :-(

off to bed, I'll read through in the am.


So he apologizes for being afk so much but then does this

Show nested quote +
On August 27 2012 10:50 talismania wrote:
##vote: dj

Sorry went camping no clue whats going on but just saw the vote total hope this helps


Why not warn us that he is going camping? I think its because he full of shit

## Vote talismania


Players go AFK etc. for a myriad of reasons. Making a vote against them on that sole basis is usually sub-optimal. You're already on multiple FoS lists and here, again, you sheep Marv with poor reasoning. This is a warning to post better.
Что?
Djagulingu
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Germany3605 Posts
August 29 2012 07:01 GMT
#1265
On August 29 2012 15:51 Shady Sands wrote:
DJ, I'm curious to hear in more detail why you want to vote Talis over Lvdr or Chez.

Because my vote itself doesn't commence a majority lynch. Like I said before, Chezinu is my primary target because he's

a) Scumbag (minimum of 95%)
b) A townie that even scumbags will grief over his death. (5% tops)

But people for some reason aren't voting for him and it's more probable that Lvdr can result in a mislynch than talismania.
"windows bash is a steaming heap of shit" tofucake
Miltonkram
Profile Joined December 2011
United States310 Posts
August 29 2012 07:02 GMT
#1266
Finally got home from work. Sorry I haven't been active for much of the day. I'm going to avoid going to sleep tonight until I feel I have a decent handle on the game. I'm still catching up on everything, but it shouldn't be too much longer until I'm up to speed.
Shady Sands
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
United States4021 Posts
August 29 2012 07:06 GMT
#1267
More points on Lvdr:

On August 29 2012 08:18 Lvdr wrote:
I'm back. I was focusing on my other game. Still read along here, but didn't have much jump out at me. Going to do a close reading.


He says he'll do a close reading, then comes back with this:

On August 29 2012 14:08 Lvdr wrote:
I like my previous read on talis being scum. Also, I disappeared mainly because (as you noted) I was extremely involved in the other game, esp coming down to lynch deadlines, and I was unable to deal with shady because I was mad at him (oops).

The lack of activity makes me really uncomfortable. Also, it may be a cross game gambit, but Shady's actions here seem similar to those in the other game (where he flipped scum). I keep getting a "He is either really bad town or clumsy scum" read across the two games.

I would say lets just lynch him, but I don't think thats actually good play.

Hence, ##vote:Talismania


As noted above, he's sheeping Marv and IamP here when he's already done that with the Obvious lynch. Moreover, the results of his reading simply state that

I like my previous read on talis being scum.

And
Also, it may be a cross game gambit, but Shady's actions here seem similar to those in the other game (where he flipped scum).


Other than me and Talis, he has no results. At all. No comment on the whole IamP/Chez/DJ discussion which has occupied most of the last three pages, no mention of his thoughts on the D2 no-lynch at all. No analysis of voting patterns or anything specific which leads to his scumreads on me or Talis; instead, we just get a general meta read and reiteration of prior points on Talis.

Except: this is his prior read on Talis:
Regarding talis, I would give him no better than a null read. 2 points that stuck out to me.
1. The activity is quite low, and not particularly filled with content. I wouldn't call it downright scummy though.
2. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=359836&currentpage=25#497
This post latches on to a stretch of a case, complete agreement, no further points made, never revisited beyond his initial AHA moment.

Which he has never elaborated upon. Indeed, his vote on Talis D2 said this:
##Vote: Talismania

Let's see what happens.

So Lvdr at this point has offered the town no reads at all since D1, while claiming to have scumreads on 2 people. In addition he's sheeping Marv yet again and making excuses for his lurky behavior when he clearly had a much higher activity level in the game where he was town.

Basically, at this point, he has a giant scum sign hanging above his head. This, on top of the fact that lynching him will provide town with a plethora of information about other players as well.

In case you guys haven't done it yet,

Vote Lvdr or else I will call my friend to find your IP address and DDOS you back to the stone age.
Что?
Djagulingu
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Germany3605 Posts
August 29 2012 07:08 GMT
#1268
EBWOP:

On August 29 2012 15:57 Shady Sands wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 29 2012 13:25 iamperfection wrote:
On August 13 2012 12:27 talismania wrote:
/in

don't think I'll be as superactive as I was in mad men but I should meet my normal standards.


Tails said he wouldnt be as active this is a completetly diffrent then his actvity levels in the mad men game. I dont understand

On August 24 2012 15:31 talismania wrote:
sorry to everyone and the hosts for being completely absent today. I'm basically only able to post at work (I prefer spending time with gf when at home - she was out of town for most of mad men) and today ended up being kind of crazy in lab. I knew these past two weeks would be a little rough hence my pregame post but that's no excuse for entirely missing the last day of the cycle :-(

off to bed, I'll read through in the am.


So he apologizes for being afk so much but then does this

On August 27 2012 10:50 talismania wrote:
##vote: dj

Sorry went camping no clue whats going on but just saw the vote total hope this helps


Why not warn us that he is going camping? I think its because he full of shit

## Vote talismania


Players go AFK etc. for a myriad of reasons. Making a vote against them on that sole basis is usually sub-optimal. You're already on multiple FoS lists and here, again, you sheep Marv with poor reasoning. This is a warning to post better.

He's providing no content, voting uselessly on day 1 and sheeping on me on day 2, not providing reasons why he voted for these people either. His only serious attempts over starting a discussion is after I called him out along with Chezinu and iamperfection, against me.

Now consider you and me, trying to generate discussion here, trying to find scumbags and shit, trying to see reasons why people are doing some stuff or why are people avoiding to do some stuff, why we suspect the people we're voting, interrogating each other from time to time too, just to be sure about one another.

And now, consider talismania and chezinu. The people who never generate discussion, provide either no reasons or poor reasons over what they do, latch onto lynch candidates or voting uselessly, stay afk most of the time, troll for the rest.

And you say that I'm sheeping Marv with poor reasoning?
"windows bash is a steaming heap of shit" tofucake
Shady Sands
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
United States4021 Posts
August 29 2012 07:10 GMT
#1269
On August 29 2012 16:08 Djagulingu wrote:
EBWOP:

Show nested quote +
On August 29 2012 15:57 Shady Sands wrote:
On August 29 2012 13:25 iamperfection wrote:
On August 13 2012 12:27 talismania wrote:
/in

don't think I'll be as superactive as I was in mad men but I should meet my normal standards.


Tails said he wouldnt be as active this is a completetly diffrent then his actvity levels in the mad men game. I dont understand

On August 24 2012 15:31 talismania wrote:
sorry to everyone and the hosts for being completely absent today. I'm basically only able to post at work (I prefer spending time with gf when at home - she was out of town for most of mad men) and today ended up being kind of crazy in lab. I knew these past two weeks would be a little rough hence my pregame post but that's no excuse for entirely missing the last day of the cycle :-(

off to bed, I'll read through in the am.


So he apologizes for being afk so much but then does this

On August 27 2012 10:50 talismania wrote:
##vote: dj

Sorry went camping no clue whats going on but just saw the vote total hope this helps


Why not warn us that he is going camping? I think its because he full of shit

## Vote talismania


Players go AFK etc. for a myriad of reasons. Making a vote against them on that sole basis is usually sub-optimal. You're already on multiple FoS lists and here, again, you sheep Marv with poor reasoning. This is a warning to post better.

He's providing no content, voting uselessly on day 1 and sheeping on me on day 2, not providing reasons why he voted for these people either. His only serious attempts over starting a discussion is after I called him out along with Chezinu and iamperfection, against me.

Now consider you and me, trying to generate discussion here, trying to find scumbags and shit, trying to see reasons why people are doing some stuff or why are people avoiding to do some stuff, why we suspect the people we're voting, interrogating each other from time to time too, just to be sure about one another.

And now, consider talismania and chezinu. The people who never generate discussion, provide either no reasons or poor reasons over what they do, latch onto lynch candidates or voting uselessly, stay afk most of the time, troll for the rest.

And you say that I'm sheeping Marv with poor reasoning?


Why completely ignore Lvdr then? Both Talis and Chez have made a bunch more content over the past 48 hours than Lvdr has, yet you completely ignore him in your post.
Что?
Shady Sands
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
United States4021 Posts
August 29 2012 07:12 GMT
#1270
On August 29 2012 16:01 Djagulingu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 29 2012 15:51 Shady Sands wrote:
DJ, I'm curious to hear in more detail why you want to vote Talis over Lvdr or Chez.

Because my vote itself doesn't commence a majority lynch. Like I said before, Chezinu is my primary target because he's

a) Scumbag (minimum of 95%)
b) A townie that even scumbags will grief over his death. (5% tops)

But people for some reason aren't voting for him and it's more probable that Lvdr can result in a mislynch than talismania.


How do you know that Talis is more of a scumbag than Lvdr?
Что?
Shady Sands
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
United States4021 Posts
August 29 2012 07:12 GMT
#1271
On August 29 2012 16:08 Djagulingu wrote:
EBWOP:

Show nested quote +
On August 29 2012 15:57 Shady Sands wrote:
On August 29 2012 13:25 iamperfection wrote:
On August 13 2012 12:27 talismania wrote:
/in

don't think I'll be as superactive as I was in mad men but I should meet my normal standards.


Tails said he wouldnt be as active this is a completetly diffrent then his actvity levels in the mad men game. I dont understand

On August 24 2012 15:31 talismania wrote:
sorry to everyone and the hosts for being completely absent today. I'm basically only able to post at work (I prefer spending time with gf when at home - she was out of town for most of mad men) and today ended up being kind of crazy in lab. I knew these past two weeks would be a little rough hence my pregame post but that's no excuse for entirely missing the last day of the cycle :-(

off to bed, I'll read through in the am.


So he apologizes for being afk so much but then does this

On August 27 2012 10:50 talismania wrote:
##vote: dj

Sorry went camping no clue whats going on but just saw the vote total hope this helps


Why not warn us that he is going camping? I think its because he full of shit

## Vote talismania


Players go AFK etc. for a myriad of reasons. Making a vote against them on that sole basis is usually sub-optimal. You're already on multiple FoS lists and here, again, you sheep Marv with poor reasoning. This is a warning to post better.

He's providing no content, voting uselessly on day 1 and sheeping on me on day 2, not providing reasons why he voted for these people either. His only serious attempts over starting a discussion is after I called him out along with Chezinu and iamperfection, against me.

Now consider you and me, trying to generate discussion here, trying to find scumbags and shit, trying to see reasons why people are doing some stuff or why are people avoiding to do some stuff, why we suspect the people we're voting, interrogating each other from time to time too, just to be sure about one another.

And now, consider talismania and chezinu. The people who never generate discussion, provide either no reasons or poor reasons over what they do, latch onto lynch candidates or voting uselessly, stay afk most of the time, troll for the rest.

And you say that I'm sheeping Marv with poor reasoning?


I quoted IamP. Not sure why you think that post is directed at you.
Что?
Shady Sands
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
United States4021 Posts
August 29 2012 07:13 GMT
#1272
On August 29 2012 16:02 Miltonkram wrote:
Finally got home from work. Sorry I haven't been active for much of the day. I'm going to avoid going to sleep tonight until I feel I have a decent handle on the game. I'm still catching up on everything, but it shouldn't be too much longer until I'm up to speed.


Check out the Lvdr case. Also check out Talis/Chez/IamP filter for their mutual discussion.
Что?
Shady Sands
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
United States4021 Posts
August 29 2012 07:13 GMT
#1273
ebwop: should be talis/chez/iamp/dj for their mutual discussion.
Что?
Djagulingu
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Germany3605 Posts
August 29 2012 07:17 GMT
#1274
On August 29 2012 16:06 Shady Sands wrote:
Vote Lvdr or else I will call my friend to find your IP address and DDOS you back to the stone age.

Try your best son.

On Lvdr though, he's my suspect #4. Being #4 on my list, he still has 70-30 odds of being a scumbag. My reasons are slightly different though, he's taking advantage from my case over Chezinu/talis/iamp trio that I used him for and using this advantage into laying low for a bit. I don't like that.
"windows bash is a steaming heap of shit" tofucake
Shady Sands
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
United States4021 Posts
August 29 2012 07:20 GMT
#1275
On August 29 2012 16:17 Djagulingu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 29 2012 16:06 Shady Sands wrote:
Vote Lvdr or else I will call my friend to find your IP address and DDOS you back to the stone age.

Try your best son.

On Lvdr though, he's my suspect #4. Being #4 on my list, he still has 70-30 odds of being a scumbag. My reasons are slightly different though, he's taking advantage from my case over Chezinu/talis/iamp trio that I used him for and using this advantage into laying low for a bit. I don't like that.

Except he's laid low ever since the D1 mislynch. And how is him using your case on Chez/talis/IamP turn into an advantage that lets him lay low for a bit?
Что?
Djagulingu
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Germany3605 Posts
August 29 2012 07:25 GMT
#1276
On August 29 2012 16:20 Shady Sands wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 29 2012 16:17 Djagulingu wrote:
On August 29 2012 16:06 Shady Sands wrote:
Vote Lvdr or else I will call my friend to find your IP address and DDOS you back to the stone age.

Try your best son.

On Lvdr though, he's my suspect #4. Being #4 on my list, he still has 70-30 odds of being a scumbag. My reasons are slightly different though, he's taking advantage from my case over Chezinu/talis/iamp trio that I used him for and using this advantage into laying low for a bit. I don't like that.

Except he's laid low ever since the D1 mislynch. And how is him using your case on Chez/talis/IamP turn into an advantage that lets him lay low for a bit?

He sees that he's currently out of the spotlight and thinks that we now see him as a townie (at least me) but still afraid to come into the discussion because he doesn't want back in. I don't like that. Why would a townie be afraid of the spotlight in the first place?
"windows bash is a steaming heap of shit" tofucake
Shady Sands
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
United States4021 Posts
August 29 2012 07:28 GMT
#1277
On August 29 2012 16:25 Djagulingu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 29 2012 16:20 Shady Sands wrote:
On August 29 2012 16:17 Djagulingu wrote:
On August 29 2012 16:06 Shady Sands wrote:
Vote Lvdr or else I will call my friend to find your IP address and DDOS you back to the stone age.

Try your best son.

On Lvdr though, he's my suspect #4. Being #4 on my list, he still has 70-30 odds of being a scumbag. My reasons are slightly different though, he's taking advantage from my case over Chezinu/talis/iamp trio that I used him for and using this advantage into laying low for a bit. I don't like that.

Except he's laid low ever since the D1 mislynch. And how is him using your case on Chez/talis/IamP turn into an advantage that lets him lay low for a bit?

He sees that he's currently out of the spotlight and thinks that we now see him as a townie (at least me) but still afraid to come into the discussion because he doesn't want back in. I don't like that. Why would a townie be afraid of the spotlight in the first place?

Got it. And none of my other tells on him stick?
So Lvdr at this point has offered the town no reads at all since D1, while claiming to have scumreads on 2 people. In addition he's sheeping Marv yet again and making excuses for his lurky behavior when he clearly had a much higher activity level in the game where he was town.
Что?
Djagulingu
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Germany3605 Posts
August 29 2012 07:41 GMT
#1278
On August 29 2012 16:28 Shady Sands wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 29 2012 16:25 Djagulingu wrote:
On August 29 2012 16:20 Shady Sands wrote:
On August 29 2012 16:17 Djagulingu wrote:
On August 29 2012 16:06 Shady Sands wrote:
Vote Lvdr or else I will call my friend to find your IP address and DDOS you back to the stone age.

Try your best son.

On Lvdr though, he's my suspect #4. Being #4 on my list, he still has 70-30 odds of being a scumbag. My reasons are slightly different though, he's taking advantage from my case over Chezinu/talis/iamp trio that I used him for and using this advantage into laying low for a bit. I don't like that.

Except he's laid low ever since the D1 mislynch. And how is him using your case on Chez/talis/IamP turn into an advantage that lets him lay low for a bit?

He sees that he's currently out of the spotlight and thinks that we now see him as a townie (at least me) but still afraid to come into the discussion because he doesn't want back in. I don't like that. Why would a townie be afraid of the spotlight in the first place?

Got it. And none of my other tells on him stick?
Show nested quote +
So Lvdr at this point has offered the town no reads at all since D1, while claiming to have scumreads on 2 people. In addition he's sheeping Marv yet again and making excuses for his lurky behavior when he clearly had a much higher activity level in the game where he was town.

I don't know which one is worse. The way he's playing on day 3 or this being actually a progress. He provided zero reads (except for talismania, if you call that a read that is) until the end of day 2, now comes up with the read on talismania. There is something wrong with him but I don't know what.
"windows bash is a steaming heap of shit" tofucake
Shady Sands
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
United States4021 Posts
August 29 2012 07:43 GMT
#1279
On August 29 2012 16:41 Djagulingu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 29 2012 16:28 Shady Sands wrote:
On August 29 2012 16:25 Djagulingu wrote:
On August 29 2012 16:20 Shady Sands wrote:
On August 29 2012 16:17 Djagulingu wrote:
On August 29 2012 16:06 Shady Sands wrote:
Vote Lvdr or else I will call my friend to find your IP address and DDOS you back to the stone age.

Try your best son.

On Lvdr though, he's my suspect #4. Being #4 on my list, he still has 70-30 odds of being a scumbag. My reasons are slightly different though, he's taking advantage from my case over Chezinu/talis/iamp trio that I used him for and using this advantage into laying low for a bit. I don't like that.

Except he's laid low ever since the D1 mislynch. And how is him using your case on Chez/talis/IamP turn into an advantage that lets him lay low for a bit?

He sees that he's currently out of the spotlight and thinks that we now see him as a townie (at least me) but still afraid to come into the discussion because he doesn't want back in. I don't like that. Why would a townie be afraid of the spotlight in the first place?

Got it. And none of my other tells on him stick?
So Lvdr at this point has offered the town no reads at all since D1, while claiming to have scumreads on 2 people. In addition he's sheeping Marv yet again and making excuses for his lurky behavior when he clearly had a much higher activity level in the game where he was town.

I don't know which one is worse. The way he's playing on day 3 or this being actually a progress. He provided zero reads (except for talismania, if you call that a read that is) until the end of day 2, now comes up with the read on talismania. There is something wrong with him but I don't know what.

So even with all that you're still reading him as less scummy than Talis, who has actually stepped up tremendously in posting? I mean, Talis even somehow got Chez to stop trolling all of us. That's crazy.

Also, I find it odd how you could call for a Talis/Chez/IamP scumteam when the three were basically on the verge of FoSing each other earlier today. It reminded me of the ending scene from the Good the Bad and the Ugly in there for a while.
Что?
Djagulingu
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Germany3605 Posts
August 29 2012 07:55 GMT
#1280
On August 29 2012 16:43 Shady Sands wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 29 2012 16:41 Djagulingu wrote:
On August 29 2012 16:28 Shady Sands wrote:
On August 29 2012 16:25 Djagulingu wrote:
On August 29 2012 16:20 Shady Sands wrote:
On August 29 2012 16:17 Djagulingu wrote:
On August 29 2012 16:06 Shady Sands wrote:
Vote Lvdr or else I will call my friend to find your IP address and DDOS you back to the stone age.

Try your best son.

On Lvdr though, he's my suspect #4. Being #4 on my list, he still has 70-30 odds of being a scumbag. My reasons are slightly different though, he's taking advantage from my case over Chezinu/talis/iamp trio that I used him for and using this advantage into laying low for a bit. I don't like that.

Except he's laid low ever since the D1 mislynch. And how is him using your case on Chez/talis/IamP turn into an advantage that lets him lay low for a bit?

He sees that he's currently out of the spotlight and thinks that we now see him as a townie (at least me) but still afraid to come into the discussion because he doesn't want back in. I don't like that. Why would a townie be afraid of the spotlight in the first place?

Got it. And none of my other tells on him stick?
So Lvdr at this point has offered the town no reads at all since D1, while claiming to have scumreads on 2 people. In addition he's sheeping Marv yet again and making excuses for his lurky behavior when he clearly had a much higher activity level in the game where he was town.

I don't know which one is worse. The way he's playing on day 3 or this being actually a progress. He provided zero reads (except for talismania, if you call that a read that is) until the end of day 2, now comes up with the read on talismania. There is something wrong with him but I don't know what.

So even with all that you're still reading him as less scummy than Talis, who has actually stepped up tremendously in posting? I mean, Talis even somehow got Chez to stop trolling all of us. That's crazy.

Also, I find it odd how you could call for a Talis/Chez/IamP scumteam when the three were basically on the verge of FoSing each other earlier today. It reminded me of the ending scene from the Good the Bad and the Ugly in there for a while.

It was at least 70% my effort that helped Chez to stop with the trolling bullshit of him (that is if he actually stopped).

And this shit reminds me of the Reservoir Dogs more than the Good the Bad and the Ugly. Up until I called them out, nobody was doing nothing, now they felt their asses are on fire and they are all trying to find who was the leak.
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