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On March 20 2013 08:27 layabout wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2013 08:17 VisceraEyes wrote:On March 20 2013 08:15 layabout wrote:
It's possible that a hypothetical scum BH might fake one of the logs, but your argument for why that the GK one is fake is silly.
I don't want to look at BH until we have more masons out or flipped, it's really unlikely that grey would be the only one since he was supposed to be the vig. This doesn't even make a single bit of sense. Do you think BH is scummy or not? We're not lynching or not lynching BH based on his ROLE laya that's absolutely asinine. We have no idea what to expect from scum powers and equally no idea what to expect in terms of town powers. It's normal so we have a rough idea, i think in the mafia podcast drh mentioned wanting to use hidden communication roles, if BH is the scum mason and can mason people all the time why would town's only mason be grey's role? Keir was saying that he thinks they will be balanced am i am inclined to agree. So i think it's more likely that his role belongs to town. BH's defense of GK was scummy. His filter looks quite normal for him, i tend to skim his posts.
Whose filter looks normal for whom?
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On March 20 2013 08:28 Wade Fell wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2013 08:27 layabout wrote:On March 20 2013 08:17 VisceraEyes wrote:On March 20 2013 08:15 layabout wrote:
It's possible that a hypothetical scum BH might fake one of the logs, but your argument for why that the GK one is fake is silly.
I don't want to look at BH until we have more masons out or flipped, it's really unlikely that grey would be the only one since he was supposed to be the vig. This doesn't even make a single bit of sense. Do you think BH is scummy or not? We're not lynching or not lynching BH based on his ROLE laya that's absolutely asinine. We have no idea what to expect from scum powers and equally no idea what to expect in terms of town powers. It's normal so we have a rough idea, i think in the mafia podcast drh mentioned wanting to use hidden communication roles, if BH is the scum mason and can mason people all the time why would town's only mason be grey's role? Keir was saying that he thinks they will be balanced am i am inclined to agree. So i think it's more likely that his role belongs to town. BH's defense of GK was scummy. His filter looks quite normal for him, i tend to skim his posts. Whose filter looks normal for whom?
It rhymes with Glazingband
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On March 20 2013 08:27 layabout wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2013 08:17 VisceraEyes wrote:On March 20 2013 08:15 layabout wrote:
It's possible that a hypothetical scum BH might fake one of the logs, but your argument for why that the GK one is fake is silly.
I don't want to look at BH until we have more masons out or flipped, it's really unlikely that grey would be the only one since he was supposed to be the vig. This doesn't even make a single bit of sense. Do you think BH is scummy or not? We're not lynching or not lynching BH based on his ROLE laya that's absolutely asinine. We have no idea what to expect from scum powers and equally no idea what to expect in terms of town powers. It's normal so we have a rough idea, i think in the mafia podcast drh mentioned wanting to use hidden communication roles, if BH is the scum mason and can mason people all the time why would town's only mason be grey's role? Keir was saying that he thinks they will be balanced am i am inclined to agree. So i think it's more likely that his role belongs to town.BH's defense of GK was scummy. His filter looks quite normal for him, i tend to skim his posts.
The last, italicized statement is predicated on the first, bolded statement.
If BH is a scum mason and can mason people all the time THEN why would town's only mason be GreY's role?
Your reasoning for thinking that there are more than one town mason is LITERALLY the idea that BH is a scum mason. Can you not see how this doesn't make sense?
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On March 20 2013 08:30 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2013 08:27 layabout wrote:On March 20 2013 08:17 VisceraEyes wrote:On March 20 2013 08:15 layabout wrote:
It's possible that a hypothetical scum BH might fake one of the logs, but your argument for why that the GK one is fake is silly.
I don't want to look at BH until we have more masons out or flipped, it's really unlikely that grey would be the only one since he was supposed to be the vig. This doesn't even make a single bit of sense. Do you think BH is scummy or not? We're not lynching or not lynching BH based on his ROLE laya that's absolutely asinine. We have no idea what to expect from scum powers and equally no idea what to expect in terms of town powers. It's normal so we have a rough idea, i think in the mafia podcast drh mentioned wanting to use hidden communication roles, if BH is the scum mason and can mason people all the time why would town's only mason be grey's role? Keir was saying that he thinks they will be balanced am i am inclined to agree. So i think it's more likely that his role belongs to town.BH's defense of GK was scummy. His filter looks quite normal for him, i tend to skim his posts. The last, italicized statement is predicated on the first, bolded statement. If BH is a scum mason and can mason people all the time THEN why would town's only mason be GreY's role? Your reasoning for thinking that there are more than one town mason is LITERALLY the idea that BH is a scum mason. Can you not see how this doesn't make sense?
he's saying the assumption it takes to say "BH is scum" is that there are a lot of masons, which is the same assumption it takes to say "BH is town"
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Really? Because I got "BH is the scum mason, therefor I think his role is town aligned." Your mileage may vary.
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On March 20 2013 08:36 VisceraEyes wrote:
Really? Because I got "BH is the scum mason, therefor I think his role is town aligned." Your mileage may vary.
we must have different prior assumptions
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On March 20 2013 08:37 Wade Fell wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2013 08:36 VisceraEyes wrote:
Really? Because I got "BH is the scum mason, therefor I think his role is town aligned." Your mileage may vary. we must have different prior assumptions
Or different reading comprehension levels. Or different motives.
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+ Show Spoiler +On March 20 2013 08:20 Wade Fell wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2013 08:18 Vivax wrote:
Then why did you wait for them to set a new one up in your logs? You had it anyway and if you opened it already it means you already had their consensus and didn't need a new one. They didn't drag their feet for the other 2, they responded immediately to my PMs and opened the QTs. DrH explicitly told me via PM to make the GK mason QT myself. The fact that the hosts' shittiness is making me look bad is infuriating but that's all there is to it.
Your post suggests you were expecting a new qt to be opened.
Okay so the hosts are dragging their feet with setting up the Mason QT so I'll drop some stuff in here since I have to step out for a moment.
"so I'll drop some stuff in here" is just, meh, it shows you were expecting to drop some other stuff elsewhere and you say you were in a hurry.
Why post you're dropping stuff in here cause you're in a hurry and the host didn't open it when you're already in the right qt.
You said the hosts agreed on you opening it first, you make it sound like there's still a problem and you have to get rid of a post cause you can't wait for them (probably so GK could prepare the response to it)
I don't believe you, but I'm fine with lynching my other reads for the moment, whoever gets the majority first. Cases already written here above and here
I would have probably given a chance to your version if you first opened a qt on your own then got the permission to share it, but you said you opened it after getting a PM so that post doesn't sound right in my ears.
I also noticed you wrote some stuff against me, funny cause you say I'm inconsistent between here
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here
which isn't scummy at all, one is D1, one is N1 and for my N1 post all the reasoning is laid out. Never forgot what I thought, just made new reads after the flip.
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Maybe i am not saying this right.
I think that there are likely quite a few mason roles in this game because of greymists role, he is a sudo-mason/vig. It would be really weird if that was the only mason role that belongs to town.
BH claims mason but a more powerful mason than grey.
Either there are no more masons and since grey's mason is so weak i think that would leave BH town.
Or there a more masons and one of the masons is scum.
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I did not expect a new QT to be opened
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VisceraEyes what do you make of Wade Fell's GreYMisT case?
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Finally have some spare time. I'll respond to a couple relavent issues, but first I wanted to get out a post on one of my strongest scum reads. I may have a second post about another player I'm suspicious of, depending on how much time I have.
WaveofShadow
The first player I'd like to bring up is WaveofShadow. Whenever I try to look at a player, the most important thing to look at in my opinion is motive. During the first few cycles of a game, it can be quite difficult to differentiate a townie post and a mafia post. The easiest way to tell the difference is to ask yourself, what is a player trying to accomplish with these posts and what does this player care most about. When I read through the filter of Wave, I can't help but notice that he is much more willing to play through others, than to put himself out there. On numerous occasions, we can see him prodding other players with questions, but there has been very little follow through. He questions other players reads, but fails to come to significant conclusions.
Wave has approached the first two cycles in a way that shows me that he has little interest in being the guy that gets a player lynched. He is more interested in selecting a bandwagon based on the arguments of other players. In his support for the day one lynch, he posts the following:
On March 18 2013 04:16 WaveofShadow wrote:
I CAN, however get behind a vote on DP. I support VE's case though I do not necessarily support his town circle; call that scummy if you wish but having never seen one in a game before I have no idea of their risks or benefits and it just seems manipulative to me.
Vote: Darthpunk
This is the first time in the game he actually mentions Darthpunk. He states in a single line that he supports VE's case, yet provides no reasoning for why he agrees. Notice how defensive he gets with his vote. In reference to his disapproval of VE's circle he states "Call that scummy if you wish." At a point where he has selected his preferred lynch candidate, he is still spending more time discussing VE's completely irrelevant circle. For the sake of keeping this post legible, I've edited out the previous part of this quote, but he spends a whole paragraph discussing the deal with yamato. Why is it that he is spending more time discussing events not relevant to his scumread, than the actual vote itself?
It would be one thing if VE's case was so convincing that he had nothing to add. However, when I ask myself, does he care about this lynch, I come to the conclusion that he does not.
On March 18 2013 12:00 WaveofShadow wrote:
I can also see it isn't likely that DarthPunk is goin' down but I want a chance to re-read before changing anything.
I remember thinking that zare isn't scum but I don't remember why.
DarthPunk is his preferred lynch candidate, but at this point he has put absolutely no effort in pushing his selection. He is more than willing to comment on unrelated issues, but when it comes to the part of the game that should be most relevant, he shows little interest. This post shows me that his scum read is influenced by whether or not he believes the town views it as a viable lynch. When a mafia player selects a bandwagon, they often due it based on where the town's sentiment lies. Once he realizes that DarthPunk isn't going to get lynched, he backs off, simply stating that he has responded well to pressure.
On March 17 2013 05:19 WaveofShadow wrote:
No excuses here, but of the people I know in this game, very few have posted thus far so I can't read much into meta
On March 18 2013 13:18 WaveofShadow wrote:
My meta reads are overall fairly weak thus far into my mafia career though so I'm not yet comfortable lynching zare based on that evidence.
On March 18 2013 04:16 WaveofShadow wrote:
Meta reads are going to be something I will not be very good at until I play quite a few more games with all of you guys, so I can't look back at Yamato and try to find out if Vivax's claim is legitimate.
On March 18 2013 23:17 WaveofShadow wrote:
My meta reads are very weak as I have stated earlier.
Back to my point about his "defensive" phrasing of his vote, he has been acting quite defensive during the first two cycles. While a town player plays with confidence, Wave seems quite careful with his actions and is quite concerned with other's view of himself. Look how important it is to him for others to realize his meta based scum-hunting skills are sub-par. On four different occasions he makes this statement.
On March 18 2013 22:50 WaveofShadow wrote:
It's also nice how everyone is going to be real fucking quick to jump down my throat thanks to GM randomly naming me before he dies (multiple times) without anything to back it up.
I love how just like in LX I get ignored half the game and no one responds to anything I say, and as soon as somebody randomly decides to point fingers at me suddenly the whole fucking thread is up in arms.
(Expletives deleted, don't want DrH yelling at me), I'm lone wolfing this game.
In response to suspicion, he reacts quite strangely. Look how worked up he gets when GM names him as a scum read. There is essentially no pressure or votes on him at this point, yet he is responding as if he is about to be hammered.
On March 18 2013 23:17 WaveofShadow wrote:
But please, by all means keep it coming and tunnel me instead of hunting for real scum. It's not like this is a distraction or anything from the real point of the game.
On March 19 2013 03:28 WaveofShadow wrote:
Wat.
GL with that.
And as for responding to post-flip pressure, it just pisses me off that I don't get listened to at all on certain days; people only tend to pay attention to me when they think I'm scummy which has been...let's see....NEVER.
These are more examples of how important it is to him that he is seen in good light. Note how he has spent more time talking about his annoyance of getting suspected, than he does about DarthPunk earlier. His vote of GreYMisT also occurred at a time where GreYMisT was suspicious of him.
On March 19 2013 03:34 WaveofShadow wrote:
Haha wow I guess I really do have to be more careful what I post in these games...I make mistakes wayy too often that get seen as scummy. I guess it's good that people are pointing this shit out 'cause I didn't notice, and eventually I'll stop fucking myself over with these mistakes.
I dunno, not much to say about that. I'll blame it on lack of sleep due to 3 month old baby.
Finally, I come to this post which is what caused me to look at him further. Look how squirmish he is in his response. This is at a point where he accidentally mentioned to a lynch, rather than a night kill. It was a 100% typo and a non-issue. Yet here is his talking about how his has to be more careful about not making mistakes and coming up with more excuses.
Wave has show that he cares more about himself, than town. He is willing to share opinions on less important issues, while skimping in pushing town objectives when it comes to the lynch. He responds in a mafia manner to suspicion and posts with an attitude that lacks the look of a town player. I think he would make an excellent lynch today.
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On March 20 2013 04:55 cosmicomics wrote:
Ah ... forgot to add this.
Vote: VisceraEyes
When I get time I'll be catching up more on ThePeashooter business but I want people to look into VisceraEyes in the meantime.
still waiting to hear your thoughts on my glorious TPS case
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On March 20 2013 08:46 Wade Fell wrote:
I did not expect a new QT to be opened
It looks like you wrote that post up in a qt and posted it in your scum qt while waiting for hosts to open up the mason one.
Was it prepared beforehand or did you write it on the go while in the mason qt?
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On March 20 2013 09:03 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2013 08:46 Wade Fell wrote:
I did not expect a new QT to be opened It looks like you wrote that post up in a qt and posted it in your scum qt while waiting for hosts to open up the mason one. Was it prepared beforehand or did you write it on the go while in the mason qt?
I wrote it in the mason qt
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Hey BH, you're a pretty quick writer you wrote that post in the mason qt in just 1 minute after a gigantic post in the thread but you say you wrote it there.
THREAD: + Show Spoiler +On March 17 2013 09:08 Wade Fell wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2013 02:21 ThePeashooter wrote:
I don't have to be familiar with Coagulations play to objectively view something as bad for the town and scummy. If he has a regular habit of being useless then a regular result should be him getting lynched and getting lynched early. I'm not going to pussyfoot around and say "Hey you better contribute or else!"
No, you had your chance. You started posting like shit. You get the axe until you prove you shouldn't. I'm not dealing with this into mid game where its a do or die scenario and we can't justify the do.
But ask yourself. What has any of those 3 posts brought to the game? They brought nothing except excess posts. It clutters are game and hurts us. It isn't just that they were shit. They were pointless and scummy shit.
Pretty much every other person has contributed more than a couple of words in their posts and that's a standard worth holding people to. So we should kill Coagulation because he is both scummy and worthless. I can't imagine a better criteria. Your vote is literally meaningless. Coag's meta is to do this. He's well known, and in time we will have a chance to better discern his alignment. You think based on a couple meaningless posts we have grounds to lynch him? He's clearly just joshing around. What I find scummy is an attempt to contribute and write big posts that are actually meaningless, or an attempt to look like you're contributing when in fact you are not. I didn't like your low-quality posts on setup speculation (nonvaluable, looks like you're contributing to the untrained eye) and I like your attack on Coag here even less. What's your reason for voting coag? He made some worthless posts, but unlike you, he took no efforts to make the sewage exploding from his mouth look useful. He might be shit, but at least he's honest about it. What you're doing here? This is a policy lynch of Coag. That's literally what this is. You're saying "coag's style doesn't sit well with me, and even though others have told me about his meta, I'm going to disregard that and just lynch him anyways cause i'm bad or scum" Like, you say coag is scummy and worthless based on a lack of interest int he game 24 hours in, and also this is fucking coag. You know this wagon won't work, but here you get to look "principled" and appear to contribute to town without giving reads on the cases that matter. Why no weighing in on Geript and his scummy play (though he's simply an idiot afaik) or GoodKarma, who although he is playing to his town meta from NMMXXIV and not like scum as he was in LVII, is lynchbait since he posts slowly and poeple don't know him? They're absent from your filter. No thoughts on VE's hilarious but ultimately unuseful plan? It's more and more obvious. You're opting out of the town discourse. It would have fooled a lesser town. But this town has me. You die today, thepeashooter. Anyone who thinks otherwise has another thing coming.
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Okay so the hosts are dragging their feet with setting up the Mason QT so I'll drop some stuff in here since I have to step out for a moment. My power works on a per-phase basis and I was hoping to mason you for D2 but the chance you can be lynched is too high, so instead I'm masoning you for D1 so I can work with you while you're still alive.
In any case, I currently have two strong scumreads I want to push, besides my tiff with Testsubject and with TPS (which I need to step back from due to emotional issues, at least for today). I suggest we pool our thoughts and reads since you are a pretty good scumhunter when you have someone to bounce ideas off of.
Mainly I am concerned with Mr. Wiggles. He is an aggressive scumhunter and a capable asset as town, but his scum play isn't as good, and I'm pretty sure this is scum Wiggles. He didn't seriously follow-up on his attack on you, and only when prodded has he posted in the thread. When he DOES post, he composes his posts quite well-- they look and smell like cases-- but he doesn't back them up and press them the way a town player who really wanted to lynch his target would. For example, he calls up Coag's meta to defend coag, then utterly ignores meta to attack you. I jumped through all kinds of hoops to deflect it and even now he's trying to get a mislynch off on you, despite admitting you're playing to your town meta.
The other player that bothers me is Geript, but I think I might be emotionally against him and seeing things I shouldn't-- I'd like you to check my logic here. Geript has been actively opposing attempts of town to organize and scumhunt, but not in a way that relays concerns for town complacency or other dangers of VE's gambit. furthermore, he is focusing his attacks on the most productive and useful townies rather than try to develop cases or even push his main targets. Whenever there's pushback, he changes who he's attacking.
Normally I'd be on him like white on rice, but I mislynched him last game and am worried I am misreading him now.
I'm going to be rolling out an attack on Wiggles shortly. Do you have any thoughts?
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On March 20 2013 09:07 Vivax wrote:Hey BH, you're a pretty quick writer you wrote that post in the mason qt in just 1 minute after a gigantic post in the thread but you say you wrote it there. THREAD: + Show Spoiler +On March 17 2013 09:08 Wade Fell wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2013 02:21 ThePeashooter wrote:
I don't have to be familiar with Coagulations play to objectively view something as bad for the town and scummy. If he has a regular habit of being useless then a regular result should be him getting lynched and getting lynched early. I'm not going to pussyfoot around and say "Hey you better contribute or else!"
No, you had your chance. You started posting like shit. You get the axe until you prove you shouldn't. I'm not dealing with this into mid game where its a do or die scenario and we can't justify the do.
But ask yourself. What has any of those 3 posts brought to the game? They brought nothing except excess posts. It clutters are game and hurts us. It isn't just that they were shit. They were pointless and scummy shit.
Pretty much every other person has contributed more than a couple of words in their posts and that's a standard worth holding people to. So we should kill Coagulation because he is both scummy and worthless. I can't imagine a better criteria. Your vote is literally meaningless. Coag's meta is to do this. He's well known, and in time we will have a chance to better discern his alignment. You think based on a couple meaningless posts we have grounds to lynch him? He's clearly just joshing around. What I find scummy is an attempt to contribute and write big posts that are actually meaningless, or an attempt to look like you're contributing when in fact you are not. I didn't like your low-quality posts on setup speculation (nonvaluable, looks like you're contributing to the untrained eye) and I like your attack on Coag here even less. What's your reason for voting coag? He made some worthless posts, but unlike you, he took no efforts to make the sewage exploding from his mouth look useful. He might be shit, but at least he's honest about it. What you're doing here? This is a policy lynch of Coag. That's literally what this is. You're saying "coag's style doesn't sit well with me, and even though others have told me about his meta, I'm going to disregard that and just lynch him anyways cause i'm bad or scum" Like, you say coag is scummy and worthless based on a lack of interest int he game 24 hours in, and also this is fucking coag. You know this wagon won't work, but here you get to look "principled" and appear to contribute to town without giving reads on the cases that matter. Why no weighing in on Geript and his scummy play (though he's simply an idiot afaik) or GoodKarma, who although he is playing to his town meta from NMMXXIV and not like scum as he was in LVII, is lynchbait since he posts slowly and poeple don't know him? They're absent from your filter. No thoughts on VE's hilarious but ultimately unuseful plan? It's more and more obvious. You're opting out of the town discourse. It would have fooled a lesser town. But this town has me. You die today, thepeashooter. Anyone who thinks otherwise has another thing coming. QT: + Show Spoiler +03-17-2013
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Okay so the hosts are dragging their feet with setting up the Mason QT so I'll drop some stuff in here since I have to step out for a moment. My power works on a per-phase basis and I was hoping to mason you for D2 but the chance you can be lynched is too high, so instead I'm masoning you for D1 so I can work with you while you're still alive.
In any case, I currently have two strong scumreads I want to push, besides my tiff with Testsubject and with TPS (which I need to step back from due to emotional issues, at least for today). I suggest we pool our thoughts and reads since you are a pretty good scumhunter when you have someone to bounce ideas off of.
Mainly I am concerned with Mr. Wiggles. He is an aggressive scumhunter and a capable asset as town, but his scum play isn't as good, and I'm pretty sure this is scum Wiggles. He didn't seriously follow-up on his attack on you, and only when prodded has he posted in the thread. When he DOES post, he composes his posts quite well-- they look and smell like cases-- but he doesn't back them up and press them the way a town player who really wanted to lynch his target would. For example, he calls up Coag's meta to defend coag, then utterly ignores meta to attack you. I jumped through all kinds of hoops to deflect it and even now he's trying to get a mislynch off on you, despite admitting you're playing to your town meta.
The other player that bothers me is Geript, but I think I might be emotionally against him and seeing things I shouldn't-- I'd like you to check my logic here. Geript has been actively opposing attempts of town to organize and scumhunt, but not in a way that relays concerns for town complacency or other dangers of VE's gambit. furthermore, he is focusing his attacks on the most productive and useful townies rather than try to develop cases or even push his main targets. Whenever there's pushback, he changes who he's attacking.
Normally I'd be on him like white on rice, but I mislynched him last game and am worried I am misreading him now.
I'm going to be rolling out an attack on Wiggles shortly. Do you have any thoughts?
lol you're so bad it's kinda cute
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Wait a minute I'm getting confused with my european timestamps. Need to double check.
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On March 20 2013 09:08 Wade Fell wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2013 09:07 Vivax wrote:Hey BH, you're a pretty quick writer you wrote that post in the mason qt in just 1 minute after a gigantic post in the thread but you say you wrote it there. THREAD: + Show Spoiler +On March 17 2013 09:08 Wade Fell wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2013 02:21 ThePeashooter wrote:
I don't have to be familiar with Coagulations play to objectively view something as bad for the town and scummy. If he has a regular habit of being useless then a regular result should be him getting lynched and getting lynched early. I'm not going to pussyfoot around and say "Hey you better contribute or else!"
No, you had your chance. You started posting like shit. You get the axe until you prove you shouldn't. I'm not dealing with this into mid game where its a do or die scenario and we can't justify the do.
But ask yourself. What has any of those 3 posts brought to the game? They brought nothing except excess posts. It clutters are game and hurts us. It isn't just that they were shit. They were pointless and scummy shit.
Pretty much every other person has contributed more than a couple of words in their posts and that's a standard worth holding people to. So we should kill Coagulation because he is both scummy and worthless. I can't imagine a better criteria. Your vote is literally meaningless. Coag's meta is to do this. He's well known, and in time we will have a chance to better discern his alignment. You think based on a couple meaningless posts we have grounds to lynch him? He's clearly just joshing around. What I find scummy is an attempt to contribute and write big posts that are actually meaningless, or an attempt to look like you're contributing when in fact you are not. I didn't like your low-quality posts on setup speculation (nonvaluable, looks like you're contributing to the untrained eye) and I like your attack on Coag here even less. What's your reason for voting coag? He made some worthless posts, but unlike you, he took no efforts to make the sewage exploding from his mouth look useful. He might be shit, but at least he's honest about it. What you're doing here? This is a policy lynch of Coag. That's literally what this is. You're saying "coag's style doesn't sit well with me, and even though others have told me about his meta, I'm going to disregard that and just lynch him anyways cause i'm bad or scum" Like, you say coag is scummy and worthless based on a lack of interest int he game 24 hours in, and also this is fucking coag. You know this wagon won't work, but here you get to look "principled" and appear to contribute to town without giving reads on the cases that matter. Why no weighing in on Geript and his scummy play (though he's simply an idiot afaik) or GoodKarma, who although he is playing to his town meta from NMMXXIV and not like scum as he was in LVII, is lynchbait since he posts slowly and poeple don't know him? They're absent from your filter. No thoughts on VE's hilarious but ultimately unuseful plan? It's more and more obvious. You're opting out of the town discourse. It would have fooled a lesser town. But this town has me. You die today, thepeashooter. Anyone who thinks otherwise has another thing coming. QT: + Show Spoiler +03-17-2013
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Okay so the hosts are dragging their feet with setting up the Mason QT so I'll drop some stuff in here since I have to step out for a moment. My power works on a per-phase basis and I was hoping to mason you for D2 but the chance you can be lynched is too high, so instead I'm masoning you for D1 so I can work with you while you're still alive.
In any case, I currently have two strong scumreads I want to push, besides my tiff with Testsubject and with TPS (which I need to step back from due to emotional issues, at least for today). I suggest we pool our thoughts and reads since you are a pretty good scumhunter when you have someone to bounce ideas off of.
Mainly I am concerned with Mr. Wiggles. He is an aggressive scumhunter and a capable asset as town, but his scum play isn't as good, and I'm pretty sure this is scum Wiggles. He didn't seriously follow-up on his attack on you, and only when prodded has he posted in the thread. When he DOES post, he composes his posts quite well-- they look and smell like cases-- but he doesn't back them up and press them the way a town player who really wanted to lynch his target would. For example, he calls up Coag's meta to defend coag, then utterly ignores meta to attack you. I jumped through all kinds of hoops to deflect it and even now he's trying to get a mislynch off on you, despite admitting you're playing to your town meta.
The other player that bothers me is Geript, but I think I might be emotionally against him and seeing things I shouldn't-- I'd like you to check my logic here. Geript has been actively opposing attempts of town to organize and scumhunt, but not in a way that relays concerns for town complacency or other dangers of VE's gambit. furthermore, he is focusing his attacks on the most productive and useful townies rather than try to develop cases or even push his main targets. Whenever there's pushback, he changes who he's attacking.
Normally I'd be on him like white on rice, but I mislynched him last game and am worried I am misreading him now.
I'm going to be rolling out an attack on Wiggles shortly. Do you have any thoughts? lol you're so bad it's kinda cute
I guess this means you're town though, scum would never try to pull such an obviously ineffective stunt
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kitaman27
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It would be silly to lynch either of VE or BH this cycle. Both are claimed blues. Let the mafia deal with them. If the issue is still around in two or three cycles, than we address it, but not on day two where there are so many other things to look at.
I had a town read on VE prior to the claimed hit, due to the interest he seemed to put into the game on day one and I see little reason why claiming a hit should change things. There shouldn't be two votes on him and discussing him today is wasting time that could be diverted to other individuals.
The notion of BH posting fake logs is silly. As someone who has posted created fake logs in the past, they take hours and hours to fabricate. At this point in the game, you gain very little town cred for a set of mason logs between two players that haven't flipped. I don't understand why people think he would take a post from his mafia quicktopic and copy it into his mason quicktopic. We know that quicktopics are provided for masons, so if that were the case, there would be no reason to fabricate logs. GK and BH could have simply used the quicktopic to create a conversation between two mafia members. The logs posted seem legit and look like they correspond to each player's thought process in the actual thread.
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