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On March 20 2013 07:58 VisceraEyes wrote:
I haven't confirmed shit, I haven't read the logs yet. Was saving that for the big finale in case they've been tampered with.
As I said, I was told I wasn't allowed to post them. So I'm only using my impression from the QT to base my read on with BH. And that impression is that he had scum motivations for masoning me.
1) I see no reason not to inform town immediately if you think the logs have been tampered with
2) what do you think of TPS
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Well what is layabout meaning then if you didn't say anything regarding a confirmation. I've been arguing over him that you don't have to all be scum just cause you're being masoned, and he keeps arguing BH didn't slip cause you should all be scum if that was the case, which isn't true.
How is layabout supposed to know that the logs were correct based on what VE and GK say, the argument is complete nonsense if you start from the assumption that:
1. GK would be scum anyway.
2. VE isn't in the same qt as GK
As for the mason qt, why does BH need the hosts to make the last two if he was able to make one by himself first? Doesn't that mean that, by rules, the qt has to be created by the hosts? Or else he could simply open the last two by himself as well. How reliable is it that he's blaming his first qt on the host?
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On March 20 2013 08:03 Vivax wrote:
Well what is layabout meaning then if you didn't say anything regarding a confirmation. I've been arguing over him that you don't have to all be scum just cause you're being masoned, and he keeps arguing BH didn't slip cause you should all be scum if that was the case, which isn't true.
How is layabout supposed to know that the logs were correct based on what VE and GK say, the argument is complete nonsense if you start from the assumption that:
1. GK would be scum anyway.
2. VE isn't in the same qt as GK
As for the mason qt, why does BH need the hosts to make the last two if he was able to make one by himself first? Doesn't that mean that, by rules, the qt has to be created by the hosts? Or else he could simply open the last two by himself as well. How reliable is it that he's blaming his first qt on the host?
VE admitted that they were masoning.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=18083312
It makes no sense to think that BH would fake the logs.
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They haven't I just reread.
I think his posting is consistent. I think he outlines his thoughts well and I think he's probably town.
Your turn. What do you think of Ryu?
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It's possible that a hypothetical scum BH might fake one of the logs, but your argument for why that the GK one is fake is silly.
I don't want to look at BH until we have more masons out or flipped, it's really unlikely that grey would be the only one since he was supposed to be the vig.
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On March 20 2013 08:09 VisceraEyes wrote:
They haven't I just reread.
I think his posting is consistent. I think he outlines his thoughts well and I think he's probably town.
Your turn. What do you think of Ryu?
zZz
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On March 20 2013 08:03 Vivax wrote:
Well what is layabout meaning then if you didn't say anything regarding a confirmation. I've been arguing over him that you don't have to all be scum just cause you're being masoned, and he keeps arguing BH didn't slip cause you should all be scum if that was the case, which isn't true.
How is layabout supposed to know that the logs were correct based on what VE and GK say, the argument is complete nonsense if you start from the assumption that:
1. GK would be scum anyway.
2. VE isn't in the same qt as GK
As for the mason qt, why does BH need the hosts to make the last two if he was able to make one by himself first? Doesn't that mean that, by rules, the qt has to be created by the hosts? Or else he could simply open the last two by himself as well. How reliable is it that he's blaming his first qt on the host?
DrH was being a whiny git so I made the first one, and Oats and DrH made the other ones so I didn't have to.
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On March 20 2013 08:15 layabout wrote:
It's possible that a hypothetical scum BH might fake one of the logs, but your argument for why that the GK one is fake is silly.
I don't want to look at BH until we have more masons out or flipped, it's really unlikely that grey would be the only one since he was supposed to be the vig.
This doesn't even make a single bit of sense. Do you think BH is scummy or not? We're not lynching or not lynching BH based on his ROLE laya that's absolutely asinine. We have no idea what to expect from scum powers and equally no idea what to expect in terms of town powers.
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On March 20 2013 08:16 Wade Fell wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2013 08:09 VisceraEyes wrote:
They haven't I just reread.
I think his posting is consistent. I think he outlines his thoughts well and I think he's probably town.
Your turn. What do you think of Ryu? zZz
What the fuck is this? I answered your question, why won't you answer mine?
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Then why did you wait for them to set a new one up in your logs? You had it anyway and if you opened it already it means you already had their consensus and didn't need a new one.
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On March 20 2013 08:16 Wade Fell wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2013 08:09 VisceraEyes wrote:
They haven't I just reread.
I think his posting is consistent. I think he outlines his thoughts well and I think he's probably town.
Your turn. What do you think of Ryu? zZz
more clearly: I don't like ryu, and as I mentioned, I think the case you initially outlined against him is reasonable. Given that TPS has like straight-up claimed scum, doesn't remember his own read on coag and has let slip that he thinks coag is town I don't see why anyone wants to not lynch TPS though
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On March 20 2013 08:18 Vivax wrote:
Then why did you wait for them to set a new one up in your logs? You had it anyway and if you opened it already it means you already had their consensus and didn't need a new one.
They didn't drag their feet for the other 2, they responded immediately to my PMs and opened the QTs. DrH explicitly told me via PM to make the GK mason QT myself. The fact that the hosts' shittiness is making me look bad is infuriating but that's all there is to it.
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On March 20 2013 08:18 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2013 08:16 Wade Fell wrote:On March 20 2013 08:09 VisceraEyes wrote:
They haven't I just reread.
I think his posting is consistent. I think he outlines his thoughts well and I think he's probably town.
Your turn. What do you think of Ryu? zZz What the fuck is this? I answered your question, why won't you answer mine?
We've already talked about Ryu man
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Your "slip" on him is ridiculous, he literally said "IF we have townies like you, who needs scum" It in no way implies that he thinks Coag is town. It implies that he thinks that IF Coag is town, then scum don't need to be in the equation for town to lose - at least that's how I interpreted it. You're grasping BH. Really really hard.
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On March 20 2013 08:20 VisceraEyes wrote:
Your "slip" on him is ridiculous, he literally said "IF we have townies like you, who needs scum" It in no way implies that he thinks Coag is town. It implies that he thinks that IF Coag is town, then scum don't need to be in the equation for town to lose - at least that's how I interpreted it. You're grasping BH. Really really hard.
I'm not grasping, and it's not as much a slip as it is an indication of his mindset. If you think coag is scum, do you say "townies like you"? TPS is obviously a smurf, and he claims he doesn't know coag's meta. Does any of this make sense to you at all?
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On March 20 2013 08:20 Wade Fell wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2013 08:18 VisceraEyes wrote:On March 20 2013 08:16 Wade Fell wrote:On March 20 2013 08:09 VisceraEyes wrote:
They haven't I just reread.
I think his posting is consistent. I think he outlines his thoughts well and I think he's probably town.
Your turn. What do you think of Ryu? zZz What the fuck is this? I answered your question, why won't you answer mine? We've already talked about Ryu man
And you concluded "we lynch him tmrw imo"
You haven't mentioned him ONCE this phase, not to mention never posting that "giant case" you said you'd post before dawn to see how he reacts...which you had PLENTY of time for, as I didn't out you as a mason or say you're scum until like 2 hours before deadline or something.
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On March 20 2013 08:22 Wade Fell wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2013 08:20 VisceraEyes wrote:
Your "slip" on him is ridiculous, he literally said "IF we have townies like you, who needs scum" It in no way implies that he thinks Coag is town. It implies that he thinks that IF Coag is town, then scum don't need to be in the equation for town to lose - at least that's how I interpreted it. You're grasping BH. Really really hard. I'm not grasping, and it's not as much a slip as it is an indication of his mindset. If you think coag is scum, do you say "townies like you"? TPS is obviously a smurf, and he claims he doesn't know coag's meta. Does any of this make sense to you at all?
he said IF WE HAVE TOWNIES LIKE YOU. Implying that Coag is playing so scummy that if we have townies like him in town we've already lost. IT SAYS IT IN HIS POST BH.
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On March 20 2013 08:22 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2013 08:20 Wade Fell wrote:On March 20 2013 08:18 VisceraEyes wrote:On March 20 2013 08:16 Wade Fell wrote:On March 20 2013 08:09 VisceraEyes wrote:
They haven't I just reread.
I think his posting is consistent. I think he outlines his thoughts well and I think he's probably town.
Your turn. What do you think of Ryu? zZz What the fuck is this? I answered your question, why won't you answer mine? We've already talked about Ryu man And you concluded "we lynch him tmrw imo" You haven't mentioned him ONCE this phase, not to mention never posting that "giant case" you said you'd post before dawn to see how he reacts...which you had PLENTY of time for, as I didn't out you as a mason or say you're scum until like 2 hours before deadline or something.
1) The fact that you waited until 2 hours before the deadline is WHY I was pressed for time
2) I explicitly mention Ryu in my end-of-night post
3) I still dont' understand your about-face on tPS AT ALL
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On March 20 2013 08:23 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2013 08:22 Wade Fell wrote:On March 20 2013 08:20 VisceraEyes wrote:
Your "slip" on him is ridiculous, he literally said "IF we have townies like you, who needs scum" It in no way implies that he thinks Coag is town. It implies that he thinks that IF Coag is town, then scum don't need to be in the equation for town to lose - at least that's how I interpreted it. You're grasping BH. Really really hard. I'm not grasping, and it's not as much a slip as it is an indication of his mindset. If you think coag is scum, do you say "townies like you"? TPS is obviously a smurf, and he claims he doesn't know coag's meta. Does any of this make sense to you at all? he said IF WE HAVE TOWNIES LIKE YOU. Implying that Coag is playing so scummy that if we have townies like him in town we've already lost. IT SAYS IT IN HIS POST BH.
BUT HE DOESNT THINK COAG IS A TOWNIE
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On March 20 2013 08:17 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2013 08:15 layabout wrote:
It's possible that a hypothetical scum BH might fake one of the logs, but your argument for why that the GK one is fake is silly.
I don't want to look at BH until we have more masons out or flipped, it's really unlikely that grey would be the only one since he was supposed to be the vig. This doesn't even make a single bit of sense. Do you think BH is scummy or not? We're not lynching or not lynching BH based on his ROLE laya that's absolutely asinine. We have no idea what to expect from scum powers and equally no idea what to expect in terms of town powers.
It's normal so we have a rough idea, i think in the mafia podcast drh mentioned wanting to use hidden communication roles, if BH is the scum mason and can mason people all the time why would town's only mason be grey's role? Keir was saying that he thinks they will be balanced am i am inclined to agree. So i think it's more likely that his role belongs to town.
BH's defense of GK was scummy. His filter looks quite normal for him, i tend to skim his posts.
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