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On March 20 2013 09:09 Vivax wrote:
Wait a minute I'm getting confused with my european timestamps. Need to double check.
I love watching you slowly figure out your foolishness
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kitaman27
United States9245 Posts
As fresh as it is to see you two call each other bad and talk about nonsense, you're more than welcome to respond to my case.
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Well I read it right now but frankly I developed the feeling he is town, I find others way scummier than him and WoS is a newbie so I understand him being defensive, dunno why he rides so much on not knowing how to metaread though.
+ Show Spoiler +On March 20 2013 04:53 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2013 04:52 Vivax wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On March 20 2013 04:51 zarepath wrote:
VE, what is the name of your role? You never said, you just claimed Vet. What's the purpose of this question? Don't you believe the claim? Zare is scum rolecop imo
It's a guy who says these things to a guy who asks questions to a claimed veteran.
Kita don't you feel my Zarepath, GK and cosmicomics cases are good? I feel they are the strongest ones and I will likely not let go of those reads. I still have 2 wildcards currently occupied by Layabout and BH but TPS and glurio would fit in there too.
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On March 20 2013 09:19 Vivax wrote:Well I read it right now but frankly I developed the feeling he is town, I find others way scummier than him and WoS is a newbie so I understand him being defensive, dunno why he rides so much on not knowing how to metaread though. + Show Spoiler +On March 20 2013 04:53 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2013 04:52 Vivax wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On March 20 2013 04:51 zarepath wrote:
VE, what is the name of your role? You never said, you just claimed Vet. What's the purpose of this question? Don't you believe the claim? Zare is scum rolecop imo It's a guy who says these things to a guy who asks questions to a claimed veteran. Kita don't you feel my Zarepath, GK and cosmicomics cases are good? I feel they are the strongest ones and I will likely not let go of those reads. I still have 2 wildcards currently occupied by Layabout and BH but TPS and glurio would fit in there too.
It is no longer possible for me to interact with you without calling you stupid in some way.
I think you are town.
But my god...
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Part of your case about WoS is how he doesn't push his reads. Look at this guy then, he did tons of similar things D1 (as pointed out in my earlier case......................................................................................)
Now he does the same stuff with zarepath, he completely forgets about him and basically tells him what he does wrong about his posts before doing so. No pressure, no questions, just telling him how to play. Fitting for scumbuddies.
+ Show Spoiler +On March 19 2013 09:28 goodkarma wrote:
Okay I'm back in thread now. I'm slowly going through other people's filters. But the first one I'd like to bring up is Zarepath, since it seems Vivax is eager to see what I have to say about him.
First off, before anything else, I would like to say (and I believe others have said it too) to Vivax that an association based case on multiple unflipped players is flat-out bad. Putting that aside though, Zarepath is a player I put in the category of newer, less experienced player. When such a player is town he tends to be easier to mislynch, as he has not adopted his own solid playstyle yet. Looking into Zarepath's filter, he's been quite lazy about sharing his reads. His excuses have been "I'm new to this format," and "I'll be far more active during the week." Well, he should have at least gotten orientated to the format by now, and it is now a weekday. As such, I expect to see an explosion of activity from him. I believe the concerns about him are valid, and that he indeed is acting very scummy. It's also worth noting he does seem to be much more involved in his past town games, and as such I'd say I'm leaning scum on him. Certainly, he needs to be sharing his reads much better than he is right now so we can get better insight into his thought process. On March 19 2013 09:42 goodkarma wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2013 09:34 Mocsta wrote:On March 19 2013 09:28 goodkarma wrote:
Okay I'm back in thread now. I'm slowly going through other people's filters. But the first one I'd like to bring up is Zarepath, since it seems Vivax is eager to see what I have to say about him.
First off, before anything else, I would like to say (and I believe others have said it too) to Vivax that an association based case on multiple unflipped players is flat-out bad. Putting that aside though, Zarepath is a player I put in the category of newer, less experienced player. When such a player is town he tends to be easier to mislynch, as he has not adopted his own solid playstyle yet. Looking into Zarepath's filter, he's been quite lazy about sharing his reads. His excuses have been "I'm new to this format," and "I'll be far more active during the week." Well, he should have at least gotten orientated to the format by now, and it is now a weekday. As such, I expect to see an explosion of activity from him. I believe the concerns about him are valid, and that he indeed is acting very scummy. It's also worth noting he does seem to be much more involved in his past town games, and as such I'd say I'm leaning scum on him. Certainly, he needs to be sharing his reads much better than he is right now so we can get better insight into his thought process. U SCUM Whats the point of this post.. you either like him or you dont.. this is overly verbose and you condemn him whilst proceeding to nurture him. U SCUM Leaning scum is a read. And encouraging people to post to get a better read on them is hardly scummy... If you think I'm scum make an actual case, or use your time more productively. On March 19 2013 11:00 goodkarma wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2013 10:13 zarepath wrote:On March 19 2013 09:28 goodkarma wrote:
Okay I'm back in thread now. I'm slowly going through other people's filters. But the first one I'd like to bring up is Zarepath, since it seems Vivax is eager to see what I have to say about him.
First off, before anything else, I would like to say (and I believe others have said it too) to Vivax that an association based case on multiple unflipped players is flat-out bad. Putting that aside though, Zarepath is a player I put in the category of newer, less experienced player. When such a player is town he tends to be easier to mislynch, as he has not adopted his own solid playstyle yet. Looking into Zarepath's filter, he's been quite lazy about sharing his reads. His excuses have been "I'm new to this format," and "I'll be far more active during the week." Well, he should have at least gotten orientated to the format by now, and it is now a weekday. As such, I expect to see an explosion of activity from him. I believe the concerns about him are valid, and that he indeed is acting very scummy. It's also worth noting he does seem to be much more involved in his past town games, and as such I'd say I'm leaning scum on him. Certainly, he needs to be sharing his reads much better than he is right now so we can get better insight into his thought process. What did you think of my case on Hopeless1der? Nobody has responded to it yet. In other news, I like Trance's point on Wiggles -- his post could be scum prepping for a Greymist town flip. Will be looking into that more. One reason for that might be that you spoilered the entire thing... Looking at it, as best I can tell you point out that Hopeless hasn't really provided much substantive content, and that his complete flip on his stance on Darth is odd. I could see some potential scum motivation for these actions, but honestly your case is pretty thin. You can't just go through a guy's post history and say "this and that are odd..." What we're interested in is scum motivation. As in: Why is it that this particular post is more likely for scum Hopeless to make than town Hopeless? As it stands your recent case posts sometimes read like summaries of the guy's actions. Which is just fluff that makes it ten times harder to read, and doesn't add any value... The Hopeless case was not that substantial imo, which is part of the reason people probably didn't say much about it. With a rather sparse filter and a replacement coming in, we'll have a better read on him after Ace subs in.
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On March 20 2013 08:20 VisceraEyes wrote:
Your "slip" on him is ridiculous, he literally said "IF we have townies like you, who needs scum" It in no way implies that he thinks Coag is town. It implies that he thinks that IF Coag is town, then scum don't need to be in the equation for town to lose - at least that's how I interpreted it. You're grasping BH. Really really hard.
At least someone sees what I mean. He has been doing this for the whole day 1. I just can't decide If he's just a jackass who can only interpret anything I do as scum, or if he's scum purposely doing it to try to kill me.
One of my main issues with Coag/Kenpachi is that they don't post, and when they do it's literally worthless. Players who post no content at all, literally just one liners drive me insane. I really hate spam posting.
From this point forward though I'm going to ignore Wade because it's entirely non constructive to engage him at all and it is a waste of my time that I could better spend doing other things in game. But here is the last thing I'm going to respond to because it's an issue of integrity.
On March 20 2013 06:12 Wade Fell wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2013 20:31 sciberbia wrote:On March 19 2013 16:07 Wade Fell wrote:Sciberbia, what do YOu think about TPS? you talk about him a lot (link)(link)(link)(link) but I don't see any comments on his alignment besides an early null (link) The PeashooterNot sure how you missed it, but I did give an updated read on him in one of those links, in which I explained why I thought there was a pretty good chance he is town. Mainly due to his seeming lack of interest in the lynch, I am now neutral on TPS. accusation that his first post was scummySetup speculation is tempting and I don't expect people to scumhunt in the first hour of the game. + Show Spoiler +
If anything, it makes me think townier of him. Does it seem like a typical scum move to get your role PM, meet up with your scumbuddies in the QT, and immediately spend 20 minutes constructing some half-assed setup speculative post, and introducing yourself to the thread with it? IMO, the answer is no.
Also, he did not even preview his first post. I think scum would be nervous about blundering with their first post and make sure to at least give it a preview.
I strongly disagree. The half-assed setup speculative post is EXACTLY the kind of post you can make as scum without meeting up with your buddies, without having to worry about giving anything away or accidentally being helpful. Show nested quote +On March 19 2013 20:31 sciberbia wrote:
accusation of fake anger at spam
I don't see sufficient evidence that his anger at your spamming was faked.
First of all, it's not like he went on a tirade. He just told you to shut up and consolidate.
Secondly, it makes perfect sense that he was mad at you for spamming (as opposed to VE) because he was already pissed at you from your earlier disagreements with him.
Thirdly, the sequence of posts he mentions was in fact annoying. Particularly when you and VE spent several posts talking about some other game. He DID go on a tirade, and he admits, publically, that he pressured the hosts to modkill me. If this isn't a tirade I will literally eat my hat IRL. Can VE and I get annoying? Sure, yeah, and sometimes I post a bit too many one-liners, but why no pressure on VE? Why the odd single-minded attack on me? He wasn't attacking "spam", he was attacking "wade fell" and the fact that he unleashed a mountain of quotes when he wanted to make the thread shorter, and he proceeded to not-contribute because he was too busy being "mad", is not something we can simply discount like that.
I play the game to play the game. I play the game to win the game. I don't play the game to try to win by having my opponents defeated on a technicality. I play this game with integrity.
Regardless of my alignment, I would never, ever try to get someone modkilled to help achieve my in game win condition. I also never tried to get you modkilled. I asked you to stop spamming multiple times and you proceeded to taunt me by posting 4 times in a row. I told you to shut the fuck up, and you post another 3 times in a row. I told the MOD that I am not playing in a game that gets destroyed by spam and to tell you to stop or I'd just quit playing. At no point did I ever ask for you to get modkilled, but you are literally the reason I stopped playing this game and had I known you were in this game under an alias I wouldn't have joined. However, since I did join I intend on playing the game out as a courtesy to the host.
On that note, stop disrespecting the host. He is performing a service for us and I'm sure also has real life obligations. If you have issues take it up post game in the banlist or elsewhere. What you shouldn't do is go on a tangent multiple times in the thread about the MOD which is just incredibly rude and inconsiderate.
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On March 20 2013 09:32 ThePeashooter wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2013 08:20 VisceraEyes wrote:
Your "slip" on him is ridiculous, he literally said "IF we have townies like you, who needs scum" It in no way implies that he thinks Coag is town. It implies that he thinks that IF Coag is town, then scum don't need to be in the equation for town to lose - at least that's how I interpreted it. You're grasping BH. Really really hard. At least someone sees what I mean. He has been doing this for the whole day 1. I just can't decide If he's just a jackass who can only interpret anything I do as scum, or if he's scum purposely doing it to try to kill me. One of my main issues with Coag/Kenpachi is that they don't post, and when they do it's literally worthless. Players who post no content at all, literally just one liners drive me insane. I really hate spam posting. From this point forward though I'm going to ignore Wade because it's entirely non constructive to engage him at all and it is a waste of my time that I could better spend doing other things in game. But here is the last thing I'm going to respond to because it's an issue of integrity. Show nested quote +On March 20 2013 06:12 Wade Fell wrote:On March 19 2013 20:31 sciberbia wrote:On March 19 2013 16:07 Wade Fell wrote:Sciberbia, what do YOu think about TPS? you talk about him a lot (link)(link)(link)(link) but I don't see any comments on his alignment besides an early null (link) The PeashooterNot sure how you missed it, but I did give an updated read on him in one of those links, in which I explained why I thought there was a pretty good chance he is town. Mainly due to his seeming lack of interest in the lynch, I am now neutral on TPS. accusation that his first post was scummySetup speculation is tempting and I don't expect people to scumhunt in the first hour of the game. + Show Spoiler +
If anything, it makes me think townier of him. Does it seem like a typical scum move to get your role PM, meet up with your scumbuddies in the QT, and immediately spend 20 minutes constructing some half-assed setup speculative post, and introducing yourself to the thread with it? IMO, the answer is no.
Also, he did not even preview his first post. I think scum would be nervous about blundering with their first post and make sure to at least give it a preview.
I strongly disagree. The half-assed setup speculative post is EXACTLY the kind of post you can make as scum without meeting up with your buddies, without having to worry about giving anything away or accidentally being helpful. On March 19 2013 20:31 sciberbia wrote:
accusation of fake anger at spam
I don't see sufficient evidence that his anger at your spamming was faked.
First of all, it's not like he went on a tirade. He just told you to shut up and consolidate.
Secondly, it makes perfect sense that he was mad at you for spamming (as opposed to VE) because he was already pissed at you from your earlier disagreements with him.
Thirdly, the sequence of posts he mentions was in fact annoying. Particularly when you and VE spent several posts talking about some other game. He DID go on a tirade, and he admits, publically, that he pressured the hosts to modkill me. If this isn't a tirade I will literally eat my hat IRL. Can VE and I get annoying? Sure, yeah, and sometimes I post a bit too many one-liners, but why no pressure on VE? Why the odd single-minded attack on me? He wasn't attacking "spam", he was attacking "wade fell" and the fact that he unleashed a mountain of quotes when he wanted to make the thread shorter, and he proceeded to not-contribute because he was too busy being "mad", is not something we can simply discount like that. I play the game to play the game. I play the game to win the game. I don't play the game to try to win by having my opponents defeated on a technicality. I play this game with integrity.Regardless of my alignment, I would never, ever try to get someone modkilled to help achieve my in game win condition. I also never tried to get you modkilled. I asked you to stop spamming multiple times and you proceeded to taunt me by posting 4 times in a row. I told you to shut the fuck up, and you post another 3 times in a row. I told the MOD that I am not playing in a game that gets destroyed by spam and to tell you to stop or I'd just quit playing. At no point did I ever ask for you to get modkilled, but you are literally the reason I stopped playing this game and had I known you were in this game under an alias I wouldn't have joined. However, since I did join I intend on playing the game out as a courtesy to the host. On that note, stop disrespecting the host. He is performing a service for us and I'm sure also has real life obligations. If you have issues take it up post game in the banlist or elsewhere. What you shouldn't do is go on a tangent multiple times in the thread about the MOD which is just incredibly rude and inconsiderate.
Is that what you call it?
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kitaman27
United States9245 Posts
On March 20 2013 09:19 Vivax wrote:
Well I read it right now but frankly I developed the feeling he is town, I find others way scummier than him and WoS is a newbie so I understand him being defensive, dunno why he rides so much on not knowing how to metaread though.
Being defensive is a newbie scum trait, so I don't think that really plays much of a part. This is his 5th or 6th game though, so he should be more than capable of pushing a case. In one of his early posts he mentions how he would rather not provide a scum read until he is prepared to develop a strong case. It's 100+ hours and 60ish pages into the game and he still hasn't done so.
On March 20 2013 09:19 Vivax wrote:
Kita don't you feel my Zarepath, GK and cosmicomics cases are good? I feel they are the strongest ones and I will likely not let go of those reads. I still have 2 wildcards currently occupied by Layabout and BH but TPS and glurio would fit in there too.
As I mentioned on day one, I believe GK's play has been scummy. He is a player I'm considering providing a more detailed case about. Zarepath is also a player that doesn't look town, but I'm not sure I feel as strongly as with the previous two reads. I'm having trouble deciding whether cosmicomics is pushing mafia objectives or if he is just a misguided townie that is lost somewhere in left field.
I'm concerned with the apathy displayed by players like Wiggles and to a lesser extent because he just subbed in, Ace. I'd expect these players to take more of an initiative if they cared about the lynch, but it seems like they are playing reactionary currently.
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Blazinghand
United States25557 Posts
On March 20 2013 09:32 ThePeashooter wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2013 08:20 VisceraEyes wrote:
Your "slip" on him is ridiculous, he literally said "IF we have townies like you, who needs scum" It in no way implies that he thinks Coag is town. It implies that he thinks that IF Coag is town, then scum don't need to be in the equation for town to lose - at least that's how I interpreted it. You're grasping BH. Really really hard. At least someone sees what I mean. He has been doing this for the whole day 1. I just can't decide If he's just a jackass who can only interpret anything I do as scum, or if he's scum purposely doing it to try to kill me. One of my main issues with Coag/Kenpachi is that they don't post, and when they do it's literally worthless. Players who post no content at all, literally just one liners drive me insane. I really hate spam posting. From this point forward though I'm going to ignore Wade because it's entirely non constructive to engage him at all and it is a waste of my time that I could better spend doing other things in game. But here is the last thing I'm going to respond to because it's an issue of integrity. Show nested quote +On March 20 2013 06:12 Wade Fell wrote:On March 19 2013 20:31 sciberbia wrote:On March 19 2013 16:07 Wade Fell wrote:Sciberbia, what do YOu think about TPS? you talk about him a lot (link)(link)(link)(link) but I don't see any comments on his alignment besides an early null (link) The PeashooterNot sure how you missed it, but I did give an updated read on him in one of those links, in which I explained why I thought there was a pretty good chance he is town. Mainly due to his seeming lack of interest in the lynch, I am now neutral on TPS. accusation that his first post was scummySetup speculation is tempting and I don't expect people to scumhunt in the first hour of the game. + Show Spoiler +
If anything, it makes me think townier of him. Does it seem like a typical scum move to get your role PM, meet up with your scumbuddies in the QT, and immediately spend 20 minutes constructing some half-assed setup speculative post, and introducing yourself to the thread with it? IMO, the answer is no.
Also, he did not even preview his first post. I think scum would be nervous about blundering with their first post and make sure to at least give it a preview.
I strongly disagree. The half-assed setup speculative post is EXACTLY the kind of post you can make as scum without meeting up with your buddies, without having to worry about giving anything away or accidentally being helpful. On March 19 2013 20:31 sciberbia wrote:
accusation of fake anger at spam
I don't see sufficient evidence that his anger at your spamming was faked.
First of all, it's not like he went on a tirade. He just told you to shut up and consolidate.
Secondly, it makes perfect sense that he was mad at you for spamming (as opposed to VE) because he was already pissed at you from your earlier disagreements with him.
Thirdly, the sequence of posts he mentions was in fact annoying. Particularly when you and VE spent several posts talking about some other game. He DID go on a tirade, and he admits, publically, that he pressured the hosts to modkill me. If this isn't a tirade I will literally eat my hat IRL. Can VE and I get annoying? Sure, yeah, and sometimes I post a bit too many one-liners, but why no pressure on VE? Why the odd single-minded attack on me? He wasn't attacking "spam", he was attacking "wade fell" and the fact that he unleashed a mountain of quotes when he wanted to make the thread shorter, and he proceeded to not-contribute because he was too busy being "mad", is not something we can simply discount like that. I play the game to play the game. I play the game to win the game. I don't play the game to try to win by having my opponents defeated on a technicality. I play this game with integrity. Regardless of my alignment, I would never, ever try to get someone modkilled to help achieve my in game win condition. I also never tried to get you modkilled. I asked you to stop spamming multiple times and you proceeded to taunt me by posting 4 times in a row. I told you to shut the fuck up, and you post another 3 times in a row. I told the MOD that I am not playing in a game that gets destroyed by spam and to tell you to stop or I'd just quit playing. At no point did I ever ask for you to get modkilled, but you are literally the reason I stopped playing this game and had I known you were in this game under an alias I wouldn't have joined. However, since I did join I intend on playing the game out as a courtesy to the host. On that note, stop disrespecting the host. He is performing a service for us and I'm sure also has real life obligations. If you have issues take it up post game in the banlist or elsewhere. What you shouldn't do is go on a tangent multiple times in the thread about the MOD which is just incredibly rude and inconsiderate.
Man Wade Fell isn't even REALLY a smurf of me since it's like super clear that I'm Wade Fell. DrH is a great dude, and excellent host, and a friend, but the fact that integrity of my claim is under threat because he had me make the mason QT is NOT something I'm going to leave out of the discussion. If I think pointing out that he was slow to get the QT up and asked me to do it is relevant to the game, I _will_ mention it. And the "4 times in a row" was really 3 times in a row-- i accidentally posted on the Blazinghand account, and had to quote it with Wade Fell so that all the posts would appear in the filter. I do this so that it's possible for people to filter me, because I care about transparency in this game, something that you, a smurf who won't tell us his real name and apparently now has some kind of pre-existing grudge against me (which explains a lot) but somehow has never heard of coag clearly does not
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ugh sorry quoted for filter
On March 20 2013 09:40 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2013 09:32 ThePeashooter wrote:On March 20 2013 08:20 VisceraEyes wrote:
Your "slip" on him is ridiculous, he literally said "IF we have townies like you, who needs scum" It in no way implies that he thinks Coag is town. It implies that he thinks that IF Coag is town, then scum don't need to be in the equation for town to lose - at least that's how I interpreted it. You're grasping BH. Really really hard. At least someone sees what I mean. He has been doing this for the whole day 1. I just can't decide If he's just a jackass who can only interpret anything I do as scum, or if he's scum purposely doing it to try to kill me. One of my main issues with Coag/Kenpachi is that they don't post, and when they do it's literally worthless. Players who post no content at all, literally just one liners drive me insane. I really hate spam posting. From this point forward though I'm going to ignore Wade because it's entirely non constructive to engage him at all and it is a waste of my time that I could better spend doing other things in game. But here is the last thing I'm going to respond to because it's an issue of integrity. On March 20 2013 06:12 Wade Fell wrote:On March 19 2013 20:31 sciberbia wrote:On March 19 2013 16:07 Wade Fell wrote:Sciberbia, what do YOu think about TPS? you talk about him a lot (link)(link)(link)(link) but I don't see any comments on his alignment besides an early null (link) The PeashooterNot sure how you missed it, but I did give an updated read on him in one of those links, in which I explained why I thought there was a pretty good chance he is town. Mainly due to his seeming lack of interest in the lynch, I am now neutral on TPS. accusation that his first post was scummySetup speculation is tempting and I don't expect people to scumhunt in the first hour of the game. + Show Spoiler +
If anything, it makes me think townier of him. Does it seem like a typical scum move to get your role PM, meet up with your scumbuddies in the QT, and immediately spend 20 minutes constructing some half-assed setup speculative post, and introducing yourself to the thread with it? IMO, the answer is no.
Also, he did not even preview his first post. I think scum would be nervous about blundering with their first post and make sure to at least give it a preview.
I strongly disagree. The half-assed setup speculative post is EXACTLY the kind of post you can make as scum without meeting up with your buddies, without having to worry about giving anything away or accidentally being helpful. On March 19 2013 20:31 sciberbia wrote:
accusation of fake anger at spam
I don't see sufficient evidence that his anger at your spamming was faked.
First of all, it's not like he went on a tirade. He just told you to shut up and consolidate.
Secondly, it makes perfect sense that he was mad at you for spamming (as opposed to VE) because he was already pissed at you from your earlier disagreements with him.
Thirdly, the sequence of posts he mentions was in fact annoying. Particularly when you and VE spent several posts talking about some other game. He DID go on a tirade, and he admits, publically, that he pressured the hosts to modkill me. If this isn't a tirade I will literally eat my hat IRL. Can VE and I get annoying? Sure, yeah, and sometimes I post a bit too many one-liners, but why no pressure on VE? Why the odd single-minded attack on me? He wasn't attacking "spam", he was attacking "wade fell" and the fact that he unleashed a mountain of quotes when he wanted to make the thread shorter, and he proceeded to not-contribute because he was too busy being "mad", is not something we can simply discount like that. I play the game to play the game. I play the game to win the game. I don't play the game to try to win by having my opponents defeated on a technicality. I play this game with integrity. Regardless of my alignment, I would never, ever try to get someone modkilled to help achieve my in game win condition. I also never tried to get you modkilled. I asked you to stop spamming multiple times and you proceeded to taunt me by posting 4 times in a row. I told you to shut the fuck up, and you post another 3 times in a row. I told the MOD that I am not playing in a game that gets destroyed by spam and to tell you to stop or I'd just quit playing. At no point did I ever ask for you to get modkilled, but you are literally the reason I stopped playing this game and had I known you were in this game under an alias I wouldn't have joined. However, since I did join I intend on playing the game out as a courtesy to the host. On that note, stop disrespecting the host. He is performing a service for us and I'm sure also has real life obligations. If you have issues take it up post game in the banlist or elsewhere. What you shouldn't do is go on a tangent multiple times in the thread about the MOD which is just incredibly rude and inconsiderate. Man Wade Fell isn't even REALLY a smurf of me since it's like super clear that I'm Wade Fell. DrH is a great dude, and excellent host, and a friend, but the fact that integrity of my claim is under threat because he had me make the mason QT is NOT something I'm going to leave out of the discussion. If I think pointing out that he was slow to get the QT up and asked me to do it is relevant to the game, I _will_ mention it. And the "4 times in a row" was really 3 times in a row-- i accidentally posted on the Blazinghand account, and had to quote it with Wade Fell so that all the posts would appear in the filter. I do this so that it's possible for people to filter me, because I care about transparency in this game, something that you, a smurf who won't tell us his real name and apparently now has some kind of pre-existing grudge against me (which explains a lot) but somehow has never heard of coag clearly does not
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Oh and kita, cute case.
I defy you to go through my meta and find something I've done differently this game than any of my others. I have never once lied in a mafia game thus far and have never been anything but town, including this game.
Vivax already gave you one of my typical defenses; hell I'll even add to it to attempt to appease you.
The reason I want to be seen in a good light is because I'm town, and don't want people wasting their time trying to point out my dumb mistakes when they should be scumhunting for REAL scum.
Who are the lynch targets for today that need to pushed that I'm skimping on? Up until your recent post calling for an end to it, I was attempting to push both BH and VE to see what I could get from them, as well as zare earlier in the day. No, I haven't voted yet, but the day is young, good sir.
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I never said I didn't know who coag was. I said that his play was bad for the town regardless of his meta. Looking back now I still wish we killed him because he's still useless and impossible to read now. I never specifically said he was my #1 scum target. I never came close to saying anything to that effect. I got on his case within the first 10 pages of the game and didn't really follow up because there was not much of a case and it was clear the town wasn't going to go for it. I do not feel there is any evidence for or against Coag apart from being inactive and when he's actually here he is useless.
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On another note before I go to bed. I feel like layabout is posting a lot without contributing anything that looks like a push or a case. And when he posts it's a lot of moderating content or townread defenses, aside from the fact that with that he's playing scummy, he also throws around with insults at people who put 2000 % more effort into this game than him.
Since we don't seem to have vigis I support a layabout lynch over a Coagulation lynch.
His last case was D1 if I recall correctly.
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kitaman27
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On March 20 2013 09:41 WaveofShadow wrote:
Oh and kita, cute case.
I defy you to go through my meta and find something I've done differently this game than any of my others. I have never once lied in a mafia game thus far and have never been anything but town, including this game.
Vivax already gave you one of my typical defenses; hell I'll even add to it to attempt to appease you.
I write up a case against you and your response is that you've never lied? Where am I calling you a liar? My case is that you show no interest in pushing a lynch. Even with this post, you ask "who are the lynch targets"? A town player decides a lynch target and pushes it on other players. A mafia player looks at the bandwagons and selects his favorite.
I don't need another player to defend you. I'd like a response from yourself on the issues I mentioned.
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On March 20 2013 09:39 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2013 09:19 Vivax wrote:
Well I read it right now but frankly I developed the feeling he is town, I find others way scummier than him and WoS is a newbie so I understand him being defensive, dunno why he rides so much on not knowing how to metaread though. Being defensive is a newbie scum trait, so I don't think that really plays much of a part. This is his 5th or 6th game though, so he should be more than capable of pushing a case. In one of his early posts he mentions how he would rather not provide a scum read until he is prepared to develop a strong case. It's 100+ hours and 60ish pages into the game and he still hasn't done so. Show nested quote +On March 20 2013 09:19 Vivax wrote:
Kita don't you feel my Zarepath, GK and cosmicomics cases are good? I feel they are the strongest ones and I will likely not let go of those reads. I still have 2 wildcards currently occupied by Layabout and BH but TPS and glurio would fit in there too. As I mentioned on day one, I believe GK's play has been scummy. He is a player I'm considering providing a more detailed case about. Zarepath is also a player that doesn't look town, but I'm not sure I feel as strongly as with the previous two reads. I'm having trouble deciding whether cosmicomics is pushing mafia objectives or if he is just a misguided townie that is lost somewhere in left field. I'm concerned with the apathy displayed by players like Wiggles and to a lesser extent because he just subbed in, Ace. I'd expect these players to take more of an initiative if they cared about the lynch, but it seems like they are playing reactionary currently.
Would you add Coag to this list? Again, 'veteran reverence' or some shit I don't like. Surely they got to veteran status by doing something other than either lurking an entire day (Ace) or threatening people, throwing out a couple reads without support and shitposting (Coag).
I think I am comfortable enough to vote Wiggle right now though because he really just doesn't appear to give a shit.
Vote: Mr. Wiggles
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On March 20 2013 04:16 Coagulation wrote:
hey guys reading up on thread now. Feel free to ask me any questions.
peashooter spent a good amount of energy effort trying to rally a lynch on me. Im pretty much the easy lynch in every game so its not uncommon for scum to try and push town into lynching me. Its strange to me that there are so many people who have put me in as a town read already. I dont think I should be a town read for anyone just yet. but its a good thing at any rate cause im town.
I wouldnt mind having peashooter lynched just on the basis that he was willing to let town run in circles over his identity while saying nothing. that seems fairly anti town. like hes trying to milk the speculation for all the chaos it can possibly generate.
Why did you stick a vote on me day one without even mentioning anything about me in the thread?
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On March 20 2013 09:44 ThePeashooter wrote:
I never said I didn't know who coag was. I said that his play was bad for the town regardless of his meta. Looking back now I still wish we killed him because he's still useless and impossible to read now. I never specifically said he was my #1 scum target. I never came close to saying anything to that effect. I got on his case within the first 10 pages of the game and didn't really follow up because there was not much of a case and it was clear the town wasn't going to go for it. I do not feel there is any evidence for or against Coag apart from being inactive and when he's actually here he is useless.
Everyone in the game: read this post and tell me TPS is town. I double dawg dare you
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On March 20 2013 09:40 Wade Fell wrote:ugh sorry quoted for filter Show nested quote +On March 20 2013 09:40 Blazinghand wrote:On March 20 2013 09:32 ThePeashooter wrote:On March 20 2013 08:20 VisceraEyes wrote:
Your "slip" on him is ridiculous, he literally said "IF we have townies like you, who needs scum" It in no way implies that he thinks Coag is town. It implies that he thinks that IF Coag is town, then scum don't need to be in the equation for town to lose - at least that's how I interpreted it. You're grasping BH. Really really hard. At least someone sees what I mean. He has been doing this for the whole day 1. I just can't decide If he's just a jackass who can only interpret anything I do as scum, or if he's scum purposely doing it to try to kill me. One of my main issues with Coag/Kenpachi is that they don't post, and when they do it's literally worthless. Players who post no content at all, literally just one liners drive me insane. I really hate spam posting. From this point forward though I'm going to ignore Wade because it's entirely non constructive to engage him at all and it is a waste of my time that I could better spend doing other things in game. But here is the last thing I'm going to respond to because it's an issue of integrity. On March 20 2013 06:12 Wade Fell wrote:On March 19 2013 20:31 sciberbia wrote:On March 19 2013 16:07 Wade Fell wrote:Sciberbia, what do YOu think about TPS? you talk about him a lot (link)(link)(link)(link) but I don't see any comments on his alignment besides an early null (link) The PeashooterNot sure how you missed it, but I did give an updated read on him in one of those links, in which I explained why I thought there was a pretty good chance he is town. Mainly due to his seeming lack of interest in the lynch, I am now neutral on TPS. accusation that his first post was scummySetup speculation is tempting and I don't expect people to scumhunt in the first hour of the game. + Show Spoiler +
If anything, it makes me think townier of him. Does it seem like a typical scum move to get your role PM, meet up with your scumbuddies in the QT, and immediately spend 20 minutes constructing some half-assed setup speculative post, and introducing yourself to the thread with it? IMO, the answer is no.
Also, he did not even preview his first post. I think scum would be nervous about blundering with their first post and make sure to at least give it a preview.
I strongly disagree. The half-assed setup speculative post is EXACTLY the kind of post you can make as scum without meeting up with your buddies, without having to worry about giving anything away or accidentally being helpful. On March 19 2013 20:31 sciberbia wrote:
accusation of fake anger at spam
I don't see sufficient evidence that his anger at your spamming was faked.
First of all, it's not like he went on a tirade. He just told you to shut up and consolidate.
Secondly, it makes perfect sense that he was mad at you for spamming (as opposed to VE) because he was already pissed at you from your earlier disagreements with him.
Thirdly, the sequence of posts he mentions was in fact annoying. Particularly when you and VE spent several posts talking about some other game. He DID go on a tirade, and he admits, publically, that he pressured the hosts to modkill me. If this isn't a tirade I will literally eat my hat IRL. Can VE and I get annoying? Sure, yeah, and sometimes I post a bit too many one-liners, but why no pressure on VE? Why the odd single-minded attack on me? He wasn't attacking "spam", he was attacking "wade fell" and the fact that he unleashed a mountain of quotes when he wanted to make the thread shorter, and he proceeded to not-contribute because he was too busy being "mad", is not something we can simply discount like that. I play the game to play the game. I play the game to win the game. I don't play the game to try to win by having my opponents defeated on a technicality. I play this game with integrity. Regardless of my alignment, I would never, ever try to get someone modkilled to help achieve my in game win condition. I also never tried to get you modkilled. I asked you to stop spamming multiple times and you proceeded to taunt me by posting 4 times in a row. I told you to shut the fuck up, and you post another 3 times in a row. I told the MOD that I am not playing in a game that gets destroyed by spam and to tell you to stop or I'd just quit playing. At no point did I ever ask for you to get modkilled, but you are literally the reason I stopped playing this game and had I known you were in this game under an alias I wouldn't have joined. However, since I did join I intend on playing the game out as a courtesy to the host. On that note, stop disrespecting the host. He is performing a service for us and I'm sure also has real life obligations. If you have issues take it up post game in the banlist or elsewhere. What you shouldn't do is go on a tangent multiple times in the thread about the MOD which is just incredibly rude and inconsiderate. Man Wade Fell isn't even REALLY a smurf of me since it's like super clear that I'm Wade Fell. DrH is a great dude, and excellent host, and a friend, but the fact that integrity of my claim is under threat because he had me make the mason QT is NOT something I'm going to leave out of the discussion. If I think pointing out that he was slow to get the QT up and asked me to do it is relevant to the game, I _will_ mention it. And the "4 times in a row" was really 3 times in a row-- i accidentally posted on the Blazinghand account, and had to quote it with Wade Fell so that all the posts would appear in the filter. I do this so that it's possible for people to filter me, because I care about transparency in this game, something that you, a smurf who won't tell us his real name and apparently now has some kind of pre-existing grudge against me (which explains a lot) but somehow has never heard of coag clearly does not
For fucks sake. I already explained to you how to not keep fucking up the same exact way. Get two browsers and have one set for blazing hand and the other for Wade Fall. The one that is Wade Fall you disable everything on the side bar that is not MAFIA. You don't open mafia in the other browser at all. I have been doing this all game and never have I come close to posting under my other account.
Stop being fucking lazy and be more aware. Maybe if you used the preview feature this wouldn't be a god damn problem.
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On March 20 2013 09:46 ThePeashooter wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2013 09:40 Wade Fell wrote:ugh sorry quoted for filter On March 20 2013 09:40 Blazinghand wrote:On March 20 2013 09:32 ThePeashooter wrote:On March 20 2013 08:20 VisceraEyes wrote:
Your "slip" on him is ridiculous, he literally said "IF we have townies like you, who needs scum" It in no way implies that he thinks Coag is town. It implies that he thinks that IF Coag is town, then scum don't need to be in the equation for town to lose - at least that's how I interpreted it. You're grasping BH. Really really hard. At least someone sees what I mean. He has been doing this for the whole day 1. I just can't decide If he's just a jackass who can only interpret anything I do as scum, or if he's scum purposely doing it to try to kill me. One of my main issues with Coag/Kenpachi is that they don't post, and when they do it's literally worthless. Players who post no content at all, literally just one liners drive me insane. I really hate spam posting. From this point forward though I'm going to ignore Wade because it's entirely non constructive to engage him at all and it is a waste of my time that I could better spend doing other things in game. But here is the last thing I'm going to respond to because it's an issue of integrity. On March 20 2013 06:12 Wade Fell wrote:On March 19 2013 20:31 sciberbia wrote:On March 19 2013 16:07 Wade Fell wrote:Sciberbia, what do YOu think about TPS? you talk about him a lot (link)(link)(link)(link) but I don't see any comments on his alignment besides an early null (link) The PeashooterNot sure how you missed it, but I did give an updated read on him in one of those links, in which I explained why I thought there was a pretty good chance he is town. Mainly due to his seeming lack of interest in the lynch, I am now neutral on TPS. accusation that his first post was scummySetup speculation is tempting and I don't expect people to scumhunt in the first hour of the game. + Show Spoiler +
If anything, it makes me think townier of him. Does it seem like a typical scum move to get your role PM, meet up with your scumbuddies in the QT, and immediately spend 20 minutes constructing some half-assed setup speculative post, and introducing yourself to the thread with it? IMO, the answer is no.
Also, he did not even preview his first post. I think scum would be nervous about blundering with their first post and make sure to at least give it a preview.
I strongly disagree. The half-assed setup speculative post is EXACTLY the kind of post you can make as scum without meeting up with your buddies, without having to worry about giving anything away or accidentally being helpful. On March 19 2013 20:31 sciberbia wrote:
accusation of fake anger at spam
I don't see sufficient evidence that his anger at your spamming was faked.
First of all, it's not like he went on a tirade. He just told you to shut up and consolidate.
Secondly, it makes perfect sense that he was mad at you for spamming (as opposed to VE) because he was already pissed at you from your earlier disagreements with him.
Thirdly, the sequence of posts he mentions was in fact annoying. Particularly when you and VE spent several posts talking about some other game. He DID go on a tirade, and he admits, publically, that he pressured the hosts to modkill me. If this isn't a tirade I will literally eat my hat IRL. Can VE and I get annoying? Sure, yeah, and sometimes I post a bit too many one-liners, but why no pressure on VE? Why the odd single-minded attack on me? He wasn't attacking "spam", he was attacking "wade fell" and the fact that he unleashed a mountain of quotes when he wanted to make the thread shorter, and he proceeded to not-contribute because he was too busy being "mad", is not something we can simply discount like that. I play the game to play the game. I play the game to win the game. I don't play the game to try to win by having my opponents defeated on a technicality. I play this game with integrity. Regardless of my alignment, I would never, ever try to get someone modkilled to help achieve my in game win condition. I also never tried to get you modkilled. I asked you to stop spamming multiple times and you proceeded to taunt me by posting 4 times in a row. I told you to shut the fuck up, and you post another 3 times in a row. I told the MOD that I am not playing in a game that gets destroyed by spam and to tell you to stop or I'd just quit playing. At no point did I ever ask for you to get modkilled, but you are literally the reason I stopped playing this game and had I known you were in this game under an alias I wouldn't have joined. However, since I did join I intend on playing the game out as a courtesy to the host. On that note, stop disrespecting the host. He is performing a service for us and I'm sure also has real life obligations. If you have issues take it up post game in the banlist or elsewhere. What you shouldn't do is go on a tangent multiple times in the thread about the MOD which is just incredibly rude and inconsiderate. Man Wade Fell isn't even REALLY a smurf of me since it's like super clear that I'm Wade Fell. DrH is a great dude, and excellent host, and a friend, but the fact that integrity of my claim is under threat because he had me make the mason QT is NOT something I'm going to leave out of the discussion. If I think pointing out that he was slow to get the QT up and asked me to do it is relevant to the game, I _will_ mention it. And the "4 times in a row" was really 3 times in a row-- i accidentally posted on the Blazinghand account, and had to quote it with Wade Fell so that all the posts would appear in the filter. I do this so that it's possible for people to filter me, because I care about transparency in this game, something that you, a smurf who won't tell us his real name and apparently now has some kind of pre-existing grudge against me (which explains a lot) but somehow has never heard of coag clearly does not For fucks sake. I already explained to you how to not keep fucking up the same exact way. Get two browsers and have one set for blazing hand and the other for Wade Fall. The one that is Wade Fall you disable everything on the side bar that is not MAFIA. You don't open mafia in the other browser at all. I have been doing this all game and never have I come close to posting under my other account. Stop being fucking lazy and be more aware. Maybe if you used the preview feature this wouldn't be a god damn problem.
 now you're just being mean. Come on man, we have a game to play, and this is not a valuable use of anyone's effort.
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On March 20 2013 09:45 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2013 09:41 WaveofShadow wrote:
Oh and kita, cute case.
I defy you to go through my meta and find something I've done differently this game than any of my others. I have never once lied in a mafia game thus far and have never been anything but town, including this game.
Vivax already gave you one of my typical defenses; hell I'll even add to it to attempt to appease you. I write up a case against you and your response is that you've never lied? Where am I calling you a liar? My case is that you show no interest in pushing a lynch. Even with this post, you ask "who are the lynch targets"? A town player decides a lynch target and pushes it on other players. A mafia player looks at the bandwagons and selects his favorite. I don't need another player to defend you. I'd like a response from yourself on the issues I mentioned.
Uh...nice that you selectively ignored the rest of my post.
On March 20 2013 09:41 WaveofShadow wrote:
Oh and kita, cute case.
I defy you to go through my meta and find something I've done differently this game than any of my others. I have never once lied in a mafia game thus far and have never been anything but town, including this game.
Vivax already gave you one of my typical defenses; hell I'll even add to it to attempt to appease you.
The reason I want to be seen in a good light is because I'm town, and don't want people wasting their time trying to point out my dumb mistakes when they should be scumhunting for REAL scum.
Who are the lynch targets for today that need to pushed that I'm skimping on? Up until your recent post calling for an end to it, I was attempting to push both BH and VE to see what I could get from them, as well as zare earlier in the day. No, I haven't voted yet, but the day is young, good sir.
As far as pushing my own reads this game, other people seem to be getting to them first, hence the bandwagon. I'd like to think I've at least attempted to justify my jumping on said bandwagons when I vote.
Oh and I'm not saying you called me a liar, but here I establish my 'truth-telling' meta. I just claimed town. Do the math.
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