EPTTL Mafia LXII: TL Noir - Page 60
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raynpelikoneet
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kushm4sta
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Mocsta
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On September 22 2013 21:43 raynpelikoneet wrote: What are the important matters Koshi has commented on and how is Koshi's responses to the pressure townie? I dont believe I said Koshi response made him town. As for the stuff Koshi commented on, it was mainly the back/forth I had with him. Im not against re-raeding Koshi. i plan to do a re-read tomorrow (literal; not cycle). I hosently, cant be bothered filter diving him currently though. Im only posting right now, because you asked me a question. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
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On September 22 2013 21:49 Mocsta wrote: I dont believe I said Koshi response made him town. As for the stuff Koshi commented on, it was mainly the back/forth I had with him. Im not against re-raeding Koshi. i plan to do a re-read tomorrow (literal; not cycle). I hosently, cant be bothered filter diving him currently though. Im only posting right now, because you asked me a question. Don't worry, you'll do it when you do it. Here's the thing. You and Koshi went back and forth. After that Koshi voted for you for (1) posting specially, for you (2) faking activity, and for you (3) thinking Kush is scum for caring about rules. Point (3) was proven wrong as your thingy went on. I did ask Koshi later on why he did vote for you. He only mentioned (1), and that is bullshit. He did not mention (2) at all, while that was the only point that actually could make you scum from the reasons he gave. In other words, his vote was totally crap. After that he swithed his vote to VA. Fair enough, he could do that as town, but he had other scumreads at that moment (WoS) and he never interacts with him at any point at the game. After his rant with you he only talks about VA (and he knows that's useless). TLDR; His votes end up on someone with either shitty reasons or they end up on someone easy to plant a vote on. Or both. That's not what Koshi does as town. Look at the last game where he flipped town. After Titanic Koshi has been the shiny beacon of towniness when he is town. Here he is discussing stupid stuff or discussing no stuff at all and voting for an easy target. I think that makes him scum. ##Vote: Koshi Now, Mocsta, when you are able to; I find it weird that you are saying "Koshi has discussed important matters" because that's horribly wrong. I agree with your vote on Sentinel and if he does not improve his posting / give thoughts on something that's easy to hide behind we lynch him. But Koshi looks worse. He's actively posting but not saying shit. | ||
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Mocsta
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My mindset on Koshi is based on the first couple hours of the game; and now we are 24hrs + in, I haven't updated my read. Thats kinda why I said discussed important matters.. because my last recollection of him was that, when 3/4 of the thread was afk, he was still willing to chat with me. Overall, those points look pretty bad for Koshi. I can dig him over Sentinel for Day1; but I still need to do my re-read first. Sleep now ! | ||
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DarthPunk
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geript
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On September 22 2013 17:54 FirmTofu wrote: I understand that meta cases aren't always the best. That's why I haven't made a case on DP and pushed him like an inbred retard (see:geript). I am simply posting my thoughts, nothing more, nothing less. At least there's a clear causative agent in my retardation. Unfortunately for us, you stupidity is by choice. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
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On September 22 2013 22:11 geript wrote: At least there's a clear causative agent in my retardation. Unfortunately for us, you stupidity is by choice. Do you have any scumreads that's not DP? | ||
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geript
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raynpelikoneet
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On September 22 2013 22:15 geript wrote: Nah. Just caught up. FT looks like scum and I could join that parade. I still like WoS for scum. Otherwise naw. I'll read after D&D. Could you elaborate on WoS when you get back. I don't share your thoughts on him being scum. | ||
yamato77
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On September 22 2013 18:42 FirmTofu wrote: As much as I dislike DP's play this game, DP's response to me is making me warm up to him. It is reminiscent of classic town play. Townies know they are town. Therefore, when people call them scum, they instinctively believe the accuser is "bad" or scum. After all, they are town and they know that the accuser is wrong. This knowledge makes them act in anger and frustration when defending themselves. Classic thought process: "How could this asshole accuse me? I'm town! I've been playing super pro-town all game and this guy is saying I'm scum? He must be a terrible player or scum." While DP's anger toward me could be manufactured, it feels rather genuine. Scum DP is actually more likely to only argue the entire game than town DP is. Honestly, DP refusing to do anything OMGUS people the whole game is not a point in his favor, it is a point against. You should know better, because in Persona, he was actually somewhat useful despite there being arguments in the game. Unfortunately, if DP is mafia, you're probably just bad. This whole situation between you and DP is entirely too convoluted for two scum to have constructed. And yes, I am calling DP mafia, for the record. He can very well play this game properly and not like a butthurt noob. On September 22 2013 21:13 DarthPunk wrote: I do it as scum too. So no. not meta-able. Also I'm playing league. I will post when i feel like it. Pro-tip: Don't listen to a player's opinion of their own meta. Or take "I do this as scum/town, too!" as a valid excuse for legitimately scummy play. Wave has picked up on the same thing that I've picked up on, and it makes me feel very good about this read. I rescind my early scum read on Wave. On September 22 2013 20:45 raynpelikoneet wrote: FirmTofu why is your play completely different from Desert? As in, he's actually posting? This line of questioning goes nowhere, because in recent memory, FT has simply not posted and been lynched for it. As town. Questioning the difference is completely pointless. Something is off with Rayn this game. His questions are generally stupid, but he's a special kind of useless so far and it's begun to seriously bother me. RE: VisceraEyes Still pretty scummy and useless. Can be scummy and useless as town. Not necessarily a good lynch. His alignment will be clearer the longer the game goes on. RE: Mocsta Has toned down his play to some extent but his early game still bothers me. His outright refusal to respond to me is ridiculous and a pathetic excuse to not face your accuser. I think he doesn't want to argue with me because he knows I can catch him. If Mocsta was town, I would have expected a far more vehement response to my accusations than "blahblah I didn't even read Yamato's posts except for the part where he called me mafia. Totes not true." On September 22 2013 09:57 Chairman Ray wrote: Hey everyone, this is my first post here. Sorry I haven't been around since the start since I was pretty busy, but I'm definitely going to dedicate a few hours today and tomorrow doing my best to contribute. This is my third game of forum mafia. I have played real time mafia as well. Even though I'm a lot less experienced than most people here, I'll pull my weight just fine and I don't expect any newbie lenience. Last game I learned that it's quite difficult to get strong reads on people during the day. Most my reads at the start were quite off. A lot of town said scummy things, and a lot of scum were quite pro town. However during the final hour when thing started being messy, there were strong reads everywhere. So this game I will try to focus on making things very difficult for scum during the last hour. If a town ends up being lynched day 1, I want as much information to come out of it as possible. So feel free to ask me anything and I will try to be as transparent as possible. If I see something fishy, I will definitely try to flush you out as well. This dude is now the best lynch in the game, for quite obvious reasons. ##Vote: Chairman Ray | ||
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raynpelikoneet
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What do you think about Koshi? | ||
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yamato77
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On September 22 2013 22:22 raynpelikoneet wrote: yamato there is a reason for my questions. You'll hear about the conclusions when i have answers. What do you think about Koshi? I have ignored Koshi's posts. Maybe he's scum? Dunno. Would expect him to be more active and spam y like the carefree townie he is, if he was indeed town. | ||
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yamato77
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raynpelikoneet
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raynpelikoneet
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On September 22 2013 22:26 yamato77 wrote: Also, you should move your vote to Ray, because he is the wagon of Justice. 100% mafia. I have not played with him. Could you elaborate more on what makes him scum? I think Koshi is the best lynch atm because i actually know how he plays as town/scum. | ||
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yamato77
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On September 22 2013 22:28 raynpelikoneet wrote: Do you plan on reading marv this game and work from there (like you did in Desert with marv/Hapa)? Or have you done so already? Are you reading my posts? | ||
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raynpelikoneet
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Yeah i am reading your posts. You don't seem to try to find out marv's alignment, you seem to argue with him about something, you beth tell your pov and then you move on to different things. HAve you found out anything about marv's alignment based on what you have talked with him? | ||
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Mocsta
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learn to play. i already addressed your pittance of a "case" against me. P.S. the chairman vote is terrible. | ||
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