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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
September 22 2013 11:43 GMT
#1161
On September 22 2013 19:36 Zaragon wrote:
I don't read either Tofu or DP as scum right now. The problem with that is, they could both be, playing off each other, as it would be a good time for that. Still, I'm going to assume they're town for now since the other line of thinking is currently not useful. Especially since Tofu suspects VE, who I have had a bad feeling about all game.

I don't see any other reasoning for going after DP at this point as scum, I hope DP will elaborate about why he thinks there is.

Oh and from earlier:

Show nested quote +
On September 22 2013 09:26 ObviousOne wrote:
On September 22 2013 09:23 justanothertownie wrote:
On September 22 2013 09:20 ObviousOne wrote:
On September 22 2013 09:17 justanothertownie wrote:
On September 22 2013 09:05 ObviousOne wrote:
Do you have thoughts about that post or no?

It says almost nothing.

You're so adorable. What does it mean to you that it says almost nothing? That's the point of the game.

So you think only scum posts like that?


Show nested quote +
On September 22 2013 09:40 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On September 22 2013 09:37 justanothertownie wrote:
On September 22 2013 09:34 raynpelikoneet wrote:
So JAT if someone posts something that's mostly fluff your thoughts on it are "big deal?", why?

Because in my experience town does it all the time, too. It's not that it doesn't matter but if you want to convince me the dude is scum you should give me more reasons.

Yeah you are right. It does not mean he is scum. But it's a post that serves no purpose. It says nothing. You should be by default curious of his intentions for making the post. It helps you getting a better read on him and it helps out people getting a better read on you. Townies should care about finding scum, bad posts should be called out.

Show nested quote +
I wrote exactly what I thought. That it is more likely to come from scum. Does that outright eliminate him as town? No. But since fuck-all is happening I'm trying to make something happen. So you have completely avoided answering this question. It's kind of important to note that the question wasn't important, the fact that you haven't answered it yet though is very interesting. Do you think I'm scum?


It was a bedtime post. But I'm glad you made some kind of use of it, even if only Rayn comes out looking slightly scum from it, to me. Rayn, would you say that your posts have generally had more substance than the one you pointed out? If we assume that asking what someone else thinks is not substance.

Yes i am saying that my posts have had way more substance than the post of yours in question here.
How does me saying what i did make me scum?
Also what exactly is your read on Pandain / VE and why?
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Zaragon
Profile Joined July 2010
Sweden235 Posts
September 22 2013 11:45 GMT
#1162
On September 22 2013 20:01 marvellosity wrote:
Zaragon, your filter has basically nothing of substance on VE, other than "feels", and "potentially a mafia VE might play this way if both these dudes are town".

Elaborate please.


That's what it boils down to. His timing and input with his posts at that time seemed very deliberate, acting as catalyst for a town vs town fight and at the same time establishing himself as being on DP's side. Even his emotional responses felt too deliberate to me; I can't define that as it's mostly gut. It's day one, so any read--for me at least--works under the assumption that someone is linked to someone who is likely either town or scum. Any suspicion I have is still weak, and I won't pretend otherwise. I missed my window to go after him with sharper phrasings.
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
September 22 2013 11:45 GMT
#1163
FirmTofu why is your play completely different from Desert?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
September 22 2013 11:47 GMT
#1164
Also Risen, could you answer me about what's your read on marv?
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Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
September 22 2013 11:50 GMT
#1165
On September 22 2013 20:45 Zaragon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 22 2013 20:01 marvellosity wrote:
Zaragon, your filter has basically nothing of substance on VE, other than "feels", and "potentially a mafia VE might play this way if both these dudes are town".

Elaborate please.


That's what it boils down to. His timing and input with his posts at that time seemed very deliberate, acting as catalyst for a town vs town fight and at the same time establishing himself as being on DP's side. Even his emotional responses felt too deliberate to me; I can't define that as it's mostly gut. It's day one, so any read--for me at least--works under the assumption that someone is linked to someone who is likely either town or scum. Any suspicion I have is still weak, and I won't pretend otherwise. I missed my window to go after him with sharper phrasings.

So.. what do you make of VE dropping his issues with Geript once I presented a counter-point?
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
September 22 2013 11:57 GMT
#1166
Mocsta, has your read on Koshi changed since yesterday?
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DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
September 22 2013 12:02 GMT
#1167
On September 22 2013 20:42 WaveofShadow wrote:
Hey DP, I don't know if this is your first fucking rodeo or something, but hey guess what?
People accuse each other of shit all the time! Both stupidly and intelligently alike! Welcome to mafia!

My suggestions is calm your tits and play the game without resorting to the angry tone, again either fabricated or real. Scaring FT away doesn't do a whole lot for us but it certainly makes it easier to accuse him of being scum which appears to be what you want?

Now if you please, have a look at my earlier post for me and if you have any thoughts on the matter I'd like to hear them.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=423071&currentpage=51#1005

I've played the same way for a long time. I am not changing just because you say so.
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
September 22 2013 12:09 GMT
#1168
On September 22 2013 21:02 DarthPunk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 22 2013 20:42 WaveofShadow wrote:
Hey DP, I don't know if this is your first fucking rodeo or something, but hey guess what?
People accuse each other of shit all the time! Both stupidly and intelligently alike! Welcome to mafia!

My suggestions is calm your tits and play the game without resorting to the angry tone, again either fabricated or real. Scaring FT away doesn't do a whole lot for us but it certainly makes it easier to accuse him of being scum which appears to be what you want?

Now if you please, have a look at my earlier post for me and if you have any thoughts on the matter I'd like to hear them.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=423071&currentpage=51#1005

I've played the same way for a long time. I am not changing just because you say so.

See, but that's where I don't believe you. I've played games before with you in which you were not this constantly incensed. I'll go have a look at those now, actually, because it may in fact be that as you say, you only get this way when people accuse you of being scum. That's pretty hilarious actually if true especially considering you say you're 'not meta-able.'
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
September 22 2013 12:09 GMT
#1169
Oh and I take you don't plan on addressing the post I asked for even though it's relevant to your current scumread?
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
September 22 2013 12:12 GMT
#1170
On September 22 2013 20:57 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Mocsta, has your read on Koshi changed since yesterday?

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=423071&currentpage=37#735
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
September 22 2013 12:13 GMT
#1171
On September 22 2013 21:09 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 22 2013 21:02 DarthPunk wrote:
On September 22 2013 20:42 WaveofShadow wrote:
Hey DP, I don't know if this is your first fucking rodeo or something, but hey guess what?
People accuse each other of shit all the time! Both stupidly and intelligently alike! Welcome to mafia!

My suggestions is calm your tits and play the game without resorting to the angry tone, again either fabricated or real. Scaring FT away doesn't do a whole lot for us but it certainly makes it easier to accuse him of being scum which appears to be what you want?

Now if you please, have a look at my earlier post for me and if you have any thoughts on the matter I'd like to hear them.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=423071&currentpage=51#1005

I've played the same way for a long time. I am not changing just because you say so.

See, but that's where I don't believe you. I've played games before with you in which you were not this constantly incensed. I'll go have a look at those now, actually, because it may in fact be that as you say, you only get this way when people accuse you of being scum. That's pretty hilarious actually if true especially considering you say you're 'not meta-able.'


I do it as scum too. So no. not meta-able. Also I'm playing league. I will post when i feel like it.
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
September 22 2013 12:16 GMT
#1172
On September 22 2013 21:12 Mocsta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 22 2013 20:57 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Mocsta, has your read on Koshi changed since yesterday?

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=423071&currentpage=37#735

Oh right. Could you elaborate on the reasoning?
Waht makes Sentinel's vote on Coag worse than Koshi's on VA? (I assume you are voting for Sentinel because of his vote as you gave no reasoning for the vote besides a link to his post - am i right?)
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WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
September 22 2013 12:19 GMT
#1173
On September 22 2013 21:13 DarthPunk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 22 2013 21:09 WaveofShadow wrote:
On September 22 2013 21:02 DarthPunk wrote:
On September 22 2013 20:42 WaveofShadow wrote:
Hey DP, I don't know if this is your first fucking rodeo or something, but hey guess what?
People accuse each other of shit all the time! Both stupidly and intelligently alike! Welcome to mafia!

My suggestions is calm your tits and play the game without resorting to the angry tone, again either fabricated or real. Scaring FT away doesn't do a whole lot for us but it certainly makes it easier to accuse him of being scum which appears to be what you want?

Now if you please, have a look at my earlier post for me and if you have any thoughts on the matter I'd like to hear them.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=423071&currentpage=51#1005

I've played the same way for a long time. I am not changing just because you say so.

See, but that's where I don't believe you. I've played games before with you in which you were not this constantly incensed. I'll go have a look at those now, actually, because it may in fact be that as you say, you only get this way when people accuse you of being scum. That's pretty hilarious actually if true especially considering you say you're 'not meta-able.'


I do it as scum too. So no. not meta-able. Also I'm playing league. I will post when i feel like it.

If that's an invitation I can't play atm.
About you not being meta-able----horseshit imo. I'm prooty bad at using meta so I'm sure I wouldn't be able to, but I have no doubts in my mind that everyone is meta-able to some degree, and everyone has tells when they play for a certain team, some simply happen to be way more subtle than others. If I weren't so awful at it (and I figured it would actually help solve the game in some way) I would take that as a challenge.
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
Zaragon
Profile Joined July 2010
Sweden235 Posts
September 22 2013 12:22 GMT
#1174
On September 22 2013 20:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 22 2013 19:36 Zaragon wrote:
I don't read either Tofu or DP as scum right now. The problem with that is, they could both be, playing off each other, as it would be a good time for that. Still, I'm going to assume they're town for now since the other line of thinking is currently not useful. Especially since Tofu suspects VE, who I have had a bad feeling about all game.

I don't see any other reasoning for going after DP at this point as scum, I hope DP will elaborate about why he thinks there is.

Oh and from earlier:

On September 22 2013 09:26 ObviousOne wrote:
On September 22 2013 09:23 justanothertownie wrote:
On September 22 2013 09:20 ObviousOne wrote:
On September 22 2013 09:17 justanothertownie wrote:
On September 22 2013 09:05 ObviousOne wrote:
Do you have thoughts about that post or no?

It says almost nothing.

You're so adorable. What does it mean to you that it says almost nothing? That's the point of the game.

So you think only scum posts like that?


On September 22 2013 09:40 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On September 22 2013 09:37 justanothertownie wrote:
On September 22 2013 09:34 raynpelikoneet wrote:
So JAT if someone posts something that's mostly fluff your thoughts on it are "big deal?", why?

Because in my experience town does it all the time, too. It's not that it doesn't matter but if you want to convince me the dude is scum you should give me more reasons.

Yeah you are right. It does not mean he is scum. But it's a post that serves no purpose. It says nothing. You should be by default curious of his intentions for making the post. It helps you getting a better read on him and it helps out people getting a better read on you. Townies should care about finding scum, bad posts should be called out.

I wrote exactly what I thought. That it is more likely to come from scum. Does that outright eliminate him as town? No. But since fuck-all is happening I'm trying to make something happen. So you have completely avoided answering this question. It's kind of important to note that the question wasn't important, the fact that you haven't answered it yet though is very interesting. Do you think I'm scum?


It was a bedtime post. But I'm glad you made some kind of use of it, even if only Rayn comes out looking slightly scum from it, to me. Rayn, would you say that your posts have generally had more substance than the one you pointed out? If we assume that asking what someone else thinks is not substance.

Yes i am saying that my posts have had way more substance than the post of yours in question here.
How does me saying what i did make me scum?
Also what exactly is your read on Pandain / VE and why?


It doesn't make you scum, you have just thrown out a lot of questions and provided few reads apart from a bit on FT. Which gives little material for anyone to read you, which is slightly scummy at this point.

On September 22 2013 20:50 Mocsta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 22 2013 20:45 Zaragon wrote:
On September 22 2013 20:01 marvellosity wrote:
Zaragon, your filter has basically nothing of substance on VE, other than "feels", and "potentially a mafia VE might play this way if both these dudes are town".

Elaborate please.


That's what it boils down to. His timing and input with his posts at that time seemed very deliberate, acting as catalyst for a town vs town fight and at the same time establishing himself as being on DP's side. Even his emotional responses felt too deliberate to me; I can't define that as it's mostly gut. It's day one, so any read--for me at least--works under the assumption that someone is linked to someone who is likely either town or scum. Any suspicion I have is still weak, and I won't pretend otherwise. I missed my window to go after him with sharper phrasings.

So.. what do you make of VE dropping his issues with Geript once I presented a counter-point?


Felt like softening his play as scum. Makes sense as town as well, though, it really was the sort of discussion where you can have an emotional reaction about something you might reread later. If he hadn't been a significant part in inciting the emotional part, it would be neutral; as is, suspicious
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
September 22 2013 12:30 GMT
#1175
On September 22 2013 21:22 Zaragon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 22 2013 20:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On September 22 2013 19:36 Zaragon wrote:
I don't read either Tofu or DP as scum right now. The problem with that is, they could both be, playing off each other, as it would be a good time for that. Still, I'm going to assume they're town for now since the other line of thinking is currently not useful. Especially since Tofu suspects VE, who I have had a bad feeling about all game.

I don't see any other reasoning for going after DP at this point as scum, I hope DP will elaborate about why he thinks there is.

Oh and from earlier:

On September 22 2013 09:26 ObviousOne wrote:
On September 22 2013 09:23 justanothertownie wrote:
On September 22 2013 09:20 ObviousOne wrote:
On September 22 2013 09:17 justanothertownie wrote:
On September 22 2013 09:05 ObviousOne wrote:
Do you have thoughts about that post or no?

It says almost nothing.

You're so adorable. What does it mean to you that it says almost nothing? That's the point of the game.

So you think only scum posts like that?


On September 22 2013 09:40 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On September 22 2013 09:37 justanothertownie wrote:
On September 22 2013 09:34 raynpelikoneet wrote:
So JAT if someone posts something that's mostly fluff your thoughts on it are "big deal?", why?

Because in my experience town does it all the time, too. It's not that it doesn't matter but if you want to convince me the dude is scum you should give me more reasons.

Yeah you are right. It does not mean he is scum. But it's a post that serves no purpose. It says nothing. You should be by default curious of his intentions for making the post. It helps you getting a better read on him and it helps out people getting a better read on you. Townies should care about finding scum, bad posts should be called out.

I wrote exactly what I thought. That it is more likely to come from scum. Does that outright eliminate him as town? No. But since fuck-all is happening I'm trying to make something happen. So you have completely avoided answering this question. It's kind of important to note that the question wasn't important, the fact that you haven't answered it yet though is very interesting. Do you think I'm scum?


It was a bedtime post. But I'm glad you made some kind of use of it, even if only Rayn comes out looking slightly scum from it, to me. Rayn, would you say that your posts have generally had more substance than the one you pointed out? If we assume that asking what someone else thinks is not substance.

Yes i am saying that my posts have had way more substance than the post of yours in question here.
How does me saying what i did make me scum?
Also what exactly is your read on Pandain / VE and why?


It doesn't make you scum, you have just thrown out a lot of questions and provided few reads apart from a bit on FT. Which gives little material for anyone to read you, which is slightly scummy at this point.

Show nested quote +
On September 22 2013 20:50 Mocsta wrote:
On September 22 2013 20:45 Zaragon wrote:
On September 22 2013 20:01 marvellosity wrote:
Zaragon, your filter has basically nothing of substance on VE, other than "feels", and "potentially a mafia VE might play this way if both these dudes are town".

Elaborate please.


That's what it boils down to. His timing and input with his posts at that time seemed very deliberate, acting as catalyst for a town vs town fight and at the same time establishing himself as being on DP's side. Even his emotional responses felt too deliberate to me; I can't define that as it's mostly gut. It's day one, so any read--for me at least--works under the assumption that someone is linked to someone who is likely either town or scum. Any suspicion I have is still weak, and I won't pretend otherwise. I missed my window to go after him with sharper phrasings.

So.. what do you make of VE dropping his issues with Geript once I presented a counter-point?


Felt like softening his play as scum. Makes sense as town as well, though, it really was the sort of discussion where you can have an emotional reaction about something you might reread later. If he hadn't been a significant part in inciting the emotional part, it would be neutral; as is, suspicious

So in comparsion you should be really scummy then?
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Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
September 22 2013 12:32 GMT
#1176
On September 22 2013 21:16 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 22 2013 21:12 Mocsta wrote:
On September 22 2013 20:57 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Mocsta, has your read on Koshi changed since yesterday?

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=423071&currentpage=37#735

Oh right. Could you elaborate on the reasoning?
Waht makes Sentinel's vote on Coag worse than Koshi's on VA? (I assume you are voting for Sentinel because of his vote as you gave no reasoning for the vote besides a link to his post - am i right?)

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=423071&currentpage=53#1049

As for why sentinal > koshi

Mainly because Koshi has still been responsive to pressure etc; and at times has commented on important thread matters.
Sentinals filter just reads as blendy shite; and the vote was over compensated for what it was.
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
September 22 2013 12:35 GMT
#1177
On September 22 2013 21:22 Zaragon wrote:
So.. what do you make of VE dropping his issues with Geript once I presented a counter-point?


Felt like softening his play as scum. Makes sense as town as well, though, it really was the sort of discussion where you can have an emotional reaction about something you might reread later. If he hadn't been a significant part in inciting the emotional part, it would be neutral; as is, suspicious[/QUOTE]
I dunno what "softening his play as scum" means.

I thought it was suspicous because he dropped his read based on my counter-point so easily. What i wrote was my own insight, but certainly also far from fact.
I personally was expecting him to hold his point of view, and counter, my counter-point.

Unless of course I was that convincing. DP kinda suggested later that may have been the case.

Perhaps this point of discussion isn't worth pursuing then.
Zaragon
Profile Joined July 2010
Sweden235 Posts
September 22 2013 12:39 GMT
#1178
On September 22 2013 21:30 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 22 2013 21:22 Zaragon wrote:
On September 22 2013 20:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On September 22 2013 19:36 Zaragon wrote:
I don't read either Tofu or DP as scum right now. The problem with that is, they could both be, playing off each other, as it would be a good time for that. Still, I'm going to assume they're town for now since the other line of thinking is currently not useful. Especially since Tofu suspects VE, who I have had a bad feeling about all game.

I don't see any other reasoning for going after DP at this point as scum, I hope DP will elaborate about why he thinks there is.

Oh and from earlier:

On September 22 2013 09:26 ObviousOne wrote:
On September 22 2013 09:23 justanothertownie wrote:
On September 22 2013 09:20 ObviousOne wrote:
On September 22 2013 09:17 justanothertownie wrote:
On September 22 2013 09:05 ObviousOne wrote:
Do you have thoughts about that post or no?

It says almost nothing.

You're so adorable. What does it mean to you that it says almost nothing? That's the point of the game.

So you think only scum posts like that?


On September 22 2013 09:40 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On September 22 2013 09:37 justanothertownie wrote:
On September 22 2013 09:34 raynpelikoneet wrote:
So JAT if someone posts something that's mostly fluff your thoughts on it are "big deal?", why?

Because in my experience town does it all the time, too. It's not that it doesn't matter but if you want to convince me the dude is scum you should give me more reasons.

Yeah you are right. It does not mean he is scum. But it's a post that serves no purpose. It says nothing. You should be by default curious of his intentions for making the post. It helps you getting a better read on him and it helps out people getting a better read on you. Townies should care about finding scum, bad posts should be called out.

I wrote exactly what I thought. That it is more likely to come from scum. Does that outright eliminate him as town? No. But since fuck-all is happening I'm trying to make something happen. So you have completely avoided answering this question. It's kind of important to note that the question wasn't important, the fact that you haven't answered it yet though is very interesting. Do you think I'm scum?


It was a bedtime post. But I'm glad you made some kind of use of it, even if only Rayn comes out looking slightly scum from it, to me. Rayn, would you say that your posts have generally had more substance than the one you pointed out? If we assume that asking what someone else thinks is not substance.

Yes i am saying that my posts have had way more substance than the post of yours in question here.
How does me saying what i did make me scum?
Also what exactly is your read on Pandain / VE and why?


It doesn't make you scum, you have just thrown out a lot of questions and provided few reads apart from a bit on FT. Which gives little material for anyone to read you, which is slightly scummy at this point.

On September 22 2013 20:50 Mocsta wrote:
On September 22 2013 20:45 Zaragon wrote:
On September 22 2013 20:01 marvellosity wrote:
Zaragon, your filter has basically nothing of substance on VE, other than "feels", and "potentially a mafia VE might play this way if both these dudes are town".

Elaborate please.


That's what it boils down to. His timing and input with his posts at that time seemed very deliberate, acting as catalyst for a town vs town fight and at the same time establishing himself as being on DP's side. Even his emotional responses felt too deliberate to me; I can't define that as it's mostly gut. It's day one, so any read--for me at least--works under the assumption that someone is linked to someone who is likely either town or scum. Any suspicion I have is still weak, and I won't pretend otherwise. I missed my window to go after him with sharper phrasings.

So.. what do you make of VE dropping his issues with Geript once I presented a counter-point?


Felt like softening his play as scum. Makes sense as town as well, though, it really was the sort of discussion where you can have an emotional reaction about something you might reread later. If he hadn't been a significant part in inciting the emotional part, it would be neutral; as is, suspicious

So in comparsion you should be really scummy then?



Yet another question and no substance. I've been giving my reads and analyzing people consistently; yes, I condense my points with little detail--I type slowly and am not going to bore anyone with my medical history. Give me your read on something I have said and I will address it.
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
September 22 2013 12:43 GMT
#1179
On September 22 2013 21:32 Mocsta wrote:
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On September 22 2013 21:16 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On September 22 2013 21:12 Mocsta wrote:
On September 22 2013 20:57 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Mocsta, has your read on Koshi changed since yesterday?

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=423071&currentpage=37#735

Oh right. Could you elaborate on the reasoning?
Waht makes Sentinel's vote on Coag worse than Koshi's on VA? (I assume you are voting for Sentinel because of his vote as you gave no reasoning for the vote besides a link to his post - am i right?)

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=423071&currentpage=53#1049

As for why sentinal > koshi

Mainly because Koshi has still been responsive to pressure etc; and at times has commented on important thread matters.
Sentinals filter just reads as blendy shite; and the vote was over compensated for what it was.

Okay. I think you should really consolidate your posts, at least the one's where you vote for people. I really didn't find the reasoning for your Sentinel vote in your filter because it was spread out in three posts.

What are the important matters Koshi has commented on and how is Koshi's responses to the pressure townie?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
September 22 2013 12:46 GMT
#1180
On September 22 2013 21:39 Zaragon wrote:
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On September 22 2013 21:30 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On September 22 2013 21:22 Zaragon wrote:
On September 22 2013 20:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On September 22 2013 19:36 Zaragon wrote:
I don't read either Tofu or DP as scum right now. The problem with that is, they could both be, playing off each other, as it would be a good time for that. Still, I'm going to assume they're town for now since the other line of thinking is currently not useful. Especially since Tofu suspects VE, who I have had a bad feeling about all game.

I don't see any other reasoning for going after DP at this point as scum, I hope DP will elaborate about why he thinks there is.

Oh and from earlier:

On September 22 2013 09:26 ObviousOne wrote:
On September 22 2013 09:23 justanothertownie wrote:
On September 22 2013 09:20 ObviousOne wrote:
On September 22 2013 09:17 justanothertownie wrote:
On September 22 2013 09:05 ObviousOne wrote:
Do you have thoughts about that post or no?

It says almost nothing.

You're so adorable. What does it mean to you that it says almost nothing? That's the point of the game.

So you think only scum posts like that?


On September 22 2013 09:40 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On September 22 2013 09:37 justanothertownie wrote:
On September 22 2013 09:34 raynpelikoneet wrote:
So JAT if someone posts something that's mostly fluff your thoughts on it are "big deal?", why?

Because in my experience town does it all the time, too. It's not that it doesn't matter but if you want to convince me the dude is scum you should give me more reasons.

Yeah you are right. It does not mean he is scum. But it's a post that serves no purpose. It says nothing. You should be by default curious of his intentions for making the post. It helps you getting a better read on him and it helps out people getting a better read on you. Townies should care about finding scum, bad posts should be called out.

I wrote exactly what I thought. That it is more likely to come from scum. Does that outright eliminate him as town? No. But since fuck-all is happening I'm trying to make something happen. So you have completely avoided answering this question. It's kind of important to note that the question wasn't important, the fact that you haven't answered it yet though is very interesting. Do you think I'm scum?


It was a bedtime post. But I'm glad you made some kind of use of it, even if only Rayn comes out looking slightly scum from it, to me. Rayn, would you say that your posts have generally had more substance than the one you pointed out? If we assume that asking what someone else thinks is not substance.

Yes i am saying that my posts have had way more substance than the post of yours in question here.
How does me saying what i did make me scum?
Also what exactly is your read on Pandain / VE and why?


It doesn't make you scum, you have just thrown out a lot of questions and provided few reads apart from a bit on FT. Which gives little material for anyone to read you, which is slightly scummy at this point.

On September 22 2013 20:50 Mocsta wrote:
On September 22 2013 20:45 Zaragon wrote:
On September 22 2013 20:01 marvellosity wrote:
Zaragon, your filter has basically nothing of substance on VE, other than "feels", and "potentially a mafia VE might play this way if both these dudes are town".

Elaborate please.


That's what it boils down to. His timing and input with his posts at that time seemed very deliberate, acting as catalyst for a town vs town fight and at the same time establishing himself as being on DP's side. Even his emotional responses felt too deliberate to me; I can't define that as it's mostly gut. It's day one, so any read--for me at least--works under the assumption that someone is linked to someone who is likely either town or scum. Any suspicion I have is still weak, and I won't pretend otherwise. I missed my window to go after him with sharper phrasings.

So.. what do you make of VE dropping his issues with Geript once I presented a counter-point?


Felt like softening his play as scum. Makes sense as town as well, though, it really was the sort of discussion where you can have an emotional reaction about something you might reread later. If he hadn't been a significant part in inciting the emotional part, it would be neutral; as is, suspicious

So in comparsion you should be really scummy then?



Yet another question and no substance. I've been giving my reads and analyzing people consistently; yes, I condense my points with little detail--I type slowly and am not going to bore anyone with my medical history. Give me your read on something I have said and I will address it.

I ask questions and make conclusions from them. If the questions end up in non-scum conclusion i drop the matter because there is no need to say it ends up in a town/null read. Your analysis and conclusions are all "this guy did this and then that and he could do that as scum or town both". You have ne real conclusions in your posts. I would like you to give some conclusions that actually take some stance on someone. The only thing close to this is when you called me slightly scummy, and that is bullshit.
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