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RebirthOfLeGenD
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
USA5860 Posts
April 21 2010 16:29 GMT
#1181
I just jumped the gun and meant to write how that proves you are mafia.
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BloodyC0bbler
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Canada7876 Posts
April 21 2010 16:35 GMT
#1182
On April 22 2010 01:29 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
I just jumped the gun and meant to write how that proves you are mafia.


Man, when I flip town aligned, I will have so much fun mocking your behavioural analysis for agggggessss
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RebirthOfLeGenD
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
USA5860 Posts
April 21 2010 16:51 GMT
#1183
I am calling it. 4/4 4 games in a row I nailed one of you red bozo's and your terrible mafia play.
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BrownBear
Profile Joined March 2010
United States6894 Posts
April 21 2010 17:20 GMT
#1184
Alright, I am now in this game, allow me to read through the last 20 pages or so + the archives and I will post my opinions.
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BrownBear
Profile Joined March 2010
United States6894 Posts
April 21 2010 18:43 GMT
#1185
Ok. Wow. Reading this was intense, and this is far far deeper and more elaborate than any Mafia game I've ever played before (although, like Korynne, I've never played on a forum before, so maybe that has something to do with it.) That said, here goes, with a little mini-analysis of what seems to be the biggest story of the last 20 pages or so: Ace vs Caller.

I find the Caller bandwagon to be slightly weird. It seems that people have jumped on the caller bandwagon largely due to this post by Ace:

+ Show Spoiler +
On April 21 2010 12:37 Ace wrote:
STOP THE GAME!

Rolecheck on Caller came back : Caller is Mafia


Lets get this shit.


...although Caller really hasn't helped his cause much by being BM about it. However, the only real proof we have that Ace is his word, plus an (easily fakeable) pm from flamewheel. Of course, he still could easily be a detective, as he said, but then that begs the question: why did the Mafia not kill him on night 1, and go for Radfield instead? I have not seen any evidence that the Mafia knew somehow that Radfield was a detective - except, of course, for another post by Ace:

+ Show Spoiler +
On April 20 2010 06:42 Ace wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 20 2010 04:46 Radfield wrote:
some shit about voting for some guy, with pros and cons


wait my bad. This guy is. Don't let him die - only hope for the town to win.


...which doesnt exactly implicate Radfield as a detective, but... it's just very very strange to me.

It's not really enough for me to stick my neck out for Caller, as he's pretty obviously today's pincushion, and honestly, people have been lynched in Mafia games for less that this. However, it does make me suspicious, so here's my recommendation:

Lynch Caller today, and see what his role was. If he does turn out to be scum, then I hereby retract all the nasty horrible things I said about Ace in this post, with my most humble apologies. However, if he's innocent... I for one will be targeting the guy who seems most responsible for his death.

Now to prepare to have my argument cut to shreds
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flamewheel
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
FREEAGLELAND26781 Posts
April 21 2010 18:49 GMT
#1186
Making a vote count now. It seems that Caller has already reached majority, and if that's the case then he will be lynched. Day will still continue until the appointed deadline of Friday, Apr 23 1:00am GMT (GMT+00:00), so double lynch may still be voted on even if Caller is lynched. Vote count shall be up in a bit as soon as I double check.
Writerdamn, i was two days from retirement
Caller
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Poland8075 Posts
April 21 2010 18:51 GMT
#1187
lol brownbear
ive already explained that ace isn't mafia
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BrownBear
Profile Joined March 2010
United States6894 Posts
April 21 2010 18:55 GMT
#1188
Well, then if he isn't, then you are kind of implicating yourself as Mafia.

Although you're dead anyway, so I guess you don't care at this point. However, I still find it hard to believe that if Ace were actually detective, he would flaunt himself so openly in the thread, and that if he were actually DT, he would still be alive after night 1. I would think DT would be a rather high-priority role for the Mafia. That said, since it's pretty clear you are dead, it all depends on what your role was. If you're mafia, I'll accept Ace as DT. If not...
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flamewheel
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
FREEAGLELAND26781 Posts
April 21 2010 19:07 GMT
#1189
[image loading]


Day 2 Lynch

The votes were fast and brutal today. Before noon had arrived, enough votes had been placed upon Caller as to behoove a lynching. Caller, however, knew that this would be coming.

As a mob descended upon Caller's home, they found the house empty. Caller had long made his escape.
Back at the city armory, a guard making his rounds noticed that a small nuclear weapon had gone missing...


Caller the Miller has been lynchedleft the town for forever (with a nuclear weapon, happy now Caller? )


Day 2 will continue until Friday, Apr 23 1:00am GMT (GMT+00:00). As mentioned in the voting thread, those who did not get a vote off before the lynch was finalized must either ##Vote for Double Lynch or ##Vote against Double Lynch in order to not be modkilled.
Writerdamn, i was two days from retirement
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
April 21 2010 19:10 GMT
#1190
<--pro
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
BrownBear
Profile Joined March 2010
United States6894 Posts
April 21 2010 19:15 GMT
#1191
Huh. Interesting. So that at least supports Ace's "I am a Detective" argument (seriously, dude, why do you advertise that so much?)

I hereby retract my statement that he's suspicious/call to lynch him tomorrow. Sorry bro.
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Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
April 21 2010 19:17 GMT
#1192
I don't know how you could read this thread and ask me why I did that. Somehow I'm still alive. Don't blame me.
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
Caller
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Poland8075 Posts
April 21 2010 19:18 GMT
#1193
BC REMEMBER WHAT I TOLD YOU
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BrownBear
Profile Joined March 2010
United States6894 Posts
April 21 2010 19:20 GMT
#1194
On April 22 2010 04:17 Ace wrote:
I don't know how you could read this thread and ask me why I did that. Somehow I'm still alive. Don't blame me.


You are correct, I suppose that you're alive-ness is simply on the mafia's decision to not kill you for whatever reason. Unless... it's ALL part of your totally intricate secret master plan :D
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Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
April 21 2010 19:21 GMT
#1195
Hey you're dead Scum. Keep it quiet.
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
tree.hugger
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
April 21 2010 19:22 GMT
#1196
Immediate reaction: Ace is vindicated, unfortunately. And yet, we get no closer to reducing the mafia KP or eliminating them.

So basically the worst possible result.





Except....

From the mafia's perspective, Ace was lying about the rolecheck. The mafia could not have known that Caller was the miller, and though they might have couched their views slightly to accommodate for that, it seems highly likely that, in order to burnish their credibility, the mafia would've been among Ace's more vocal skeptics. Therefore, when Ace's claim would've been revealed to be total bull-L then the FoS could be smoothly redirected towards Ace, and the mafia members would look like they had a better handle on the game then others.

So it seems to me that people who doubted Ace most strongly, or accused him of lying may have revealed themselves to be mafia. And one person sticks out at the top of this list, beyond all his scummy posting, and random accusations, I think BloodyC0bbler's seat just got a lot hotter.
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Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
April 21 2010 19:22 GMT
#1197
On April 22 2010 04:20 BrownBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 22 2010 04:17 Ace wrote:
I don't know how you could read this thread and ask me why I did that. Somehow I'm still alive. Don't blame me.


You are correct, I suppose that you're alive-ness is simply on the mafia's decision to not kill you for whatever reason. Unless... it's ALL part of your totally intricate secret master plan :D


I came into this game with no expectations and 0 plans. So far I've caught 1 scum (so what if it says miller he was scum) and another one is about to die. This is too ez.
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
Korynne
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Canada990 Posts
April 21 2010 19:27 GMT
#1198
Ouch, this makes things more complicated. So Ace was WRONG in that he incorrectly deduced that Caller was mafia. But I guess there isn't much to do about the fact that he "role-checked" Caller and Caller turned up mafia...

So either Ace just failed at deducing if Caller was mafia, and he's innocent.
Or Ace is mafia, in that case, it would be extremely risky to claim Caller as mafia. As mafia, Ace would know that Caller was not mafia, so claiming he's mafia is pretty much death if he turned out townie. There would be a very low probability of him turning up Miller.

So for now, I think Ace is telling the truth, but a bit sketchy with analysis (possibly just because Caller's acting funny, which seems counterproductive from his role as a townie?).
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Caller
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Poland8075 Posts
April 21 2010 19:28 GMT
#1199
On April 22 2010 04:21 Ace wrote:
Hey you're dead Scum. Keep it quiet.

IM NOT DEAD

IM BIG BONED
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Korynne
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Canada990 Posts
April 21 2010 19:31 GMT
#1200
On April 22 2010 04:22 tree.hugger wrote:
Except....

From the mafia's perspective, Ace was lying about the rolecheck. The mafia could not have known that Caller was the miller, and though they might have couched their views slightly to accommodate for that, it seems highly likely that, in order to burnish their credibility, the mafia would've been among Ace's more vocal skeptics. Therefore, when Ace's claim would've been revealed to be total bull-L then the FoS could be smoothly redirected towards Ace, and the mafia members would look like they had a better handle on the game then others.

So it seems to me that people who doubted Ace most strongly, or accused him of lying may have revealed themselves to be mafia. And one person sticks out at the top of this list, beyond all his scummy posting, and random accusations, I think BloodyC0bbler's seat just got a lot hotter.


I disagree with you tree.hugger. If I was mafia, I would just jump on the bandwagon and just vote for Caller like everyone else. First, there's no reason to attract attention to yourself.

Most importantly, once Caller turns out to be innocent, we lynch Ace, and mafia managed to get us to waste 2 lynches EZPZ. Why be skeptical of Ace for no reason? Just follow the bandwagon, and let the townies kill themselves.
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