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On April 21 2010 15:58 Zona wrote:I've replaced out of this game but I must ask one thing. Bill, why do you have so much vitriol against me? Stuff like: Show nested quote +On April 21 2010 12:21 Bill Murray wrote:
zona isnt doing a fucking thing to help us
I don't see you speaking of others the same way. Anyways, for the record, I asked to be replaced over 28 hours ago.
It's not against you vs. you being anyone else. I like you, and feel like you are doing a lot for the community. It just hurts me to see someone like you inactive when we need good town players and you're capable of helping. I know real life > mafia, though, so don't take this the wrong way.
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FREEAGLELAND26781 Posts
On April 21 2010 15:58 Caller wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2010 15:57 flamewheel91 wrote:On April 21 2010 15:51 Caller wrote:On April 21 2010 15:50 Bill Murray wrote:On April 21 2010 15:23 Caller wrote:On April 21 2010 15:22 Ace wrote:
lol wow Caller and BC are both just terrible scum. Caller's last post is full of nonsense like him flipping town means I'm obviously town and nai.protoss is town too when the guy has nothing to do with Caller.
BC keeps trying to bullshit the town into thinking I asked to Vigi 2 players when I said just one of you. BC even said it's ok to lynch him, when I said I'd have a Vigi shoot him but he throws a fit.
Scum logic go go go go go! oh ace you never make me tire of laughing NOBODY CARES - this one's for foolishness  NOBODY CARES I CAREOkay bedtime. NOBODY CARES
NO U
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On April 21 2010 16:00 flamewheel91 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2010 15:58 Caller wrote:On April 21 2010 15:57 flamewheel91 wrote:On April 21 2010 15:51 Caller wrote:On April 21 2010 15:50 Bill Murray wrote:On April 21 2010 15:23 Caller wrote:On April 21 2010 15:22 Ace wrote:
lol wow Caller and BC are both just terrible scum. Caller's last post is full of nonsense like him flipping town means I'm obviously town and nai.protoss is town too when the guy has nothing to do with Caller.
BC keeps trying to bullshit the town into thinking I asked to Vigi 2 players when I said just one of you. BC even said it's ok to lynch him, when I said I'd have a Vigi shoot him but he throws a fit.
Scum logic go go go go go! oh ace you never make me tire of laughing NOBODY CARES - this one's for foolishness NOBODY CARES I CAREOkay bedtime. NOBODY CARES NO U
go to sleep you have too many posts
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On April 21 2010 16:04 Bill Murray wrote:
no u
fine i will
L.
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...what just happened in these last few pages?
aside from the nobodycares spam.
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and flamewheel got no u'd
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On April 21 2010 16:23 Bill Murray wrote:
ace looked pretty legit
Actually he looked pretty scum rofl. Go read mafia III and his stance against folca. This is pretty well the same situation.
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Yo BC, I apologize if I seemed like I was derailing the thread. I read this:
+ Show Spoiler +On April 13 2010 11:22 flamewheel91 wrote:
Double Lynch
Usable three times per game, the town majority lynches two people instead of one. This means on the next day everyone gets two votes to distribute between two different people. The double lynch is activated by voting for it in addition to a player (or players if a double lynch is currently activated). The vote must exceed half the number of players voting that day. IE: If there are 20 players voting then the town needs 11 votes to use a double lynch. Double lynches may be voted on starting Day 2. Double lynches may be used on consecutive days. Players cannot place all of their votes on one player when a double lynch is in effect. If there is a two-way tie for second place, only the person with the most votes will be lynched.
as a, "You can double lynch on day 2."
On to more important things,
I think we stick our plan to lynch Caller, and lynch Ace tomorrow if Caller turns up green/blue.
I don't know what to make of the BC / RoL situation lol -__-
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If we use the double lynch who are we going to use it on, theres no point in using it if we have one target and we just waste it on an inactive.
Theres been names thrown around the thread in the last few pages of who is scum, i'd like to see BC and those who are doing analysis to setup and suggest who to lynch or what two people should be lynched if the double lynch vote goes through
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Okay finally done reading.
In response to Incognito, I was not aware using the word noob was so bad for my "image" until reading the thread, as this is my first game. What I mean to say is, I am completely new at this game (on a forum instead of in person).
So analyzing the person below me, Jadefist has only 2 posts, one to join the game and promise to be more active, the other seems rather baseless and was a vote for Caller before Ace's claim.
+ Show Spoiler +On April 15 2010 15:22 JadeFist wrote:
I'll play if there's room. I'll be activer this time. On April 19 2010 13:51 JadeFist wrote:
Voted Caller.
Last time I played decafchicken, a long time forum veteran, was the Godfather. I feel like the choice for mafia members is not entirely random and I wouldn't be surprised if a forum "celebrity" such as Caller was mafia.
So in terms of analysis...
I found LardyGooser's blind following of BM's idea rather troubling. (I don't know if LG is new but) it seems like he doesn't really understand what's going on and might have just agreed with BM because he was a fellow mafia? LG did not give me the impression that he analyzed BM's plan and then decided it was good for mafia and therefore supported it.
Goose then jumps on the RaGe wagon to kill RoL, so right now I'm inclined to believe RoL is town-aligned, unless BC turns out to be innocent I guess. nai.Protoss immediately jumps on after LG, but kept his vote on Caller until way later (confused by this).
Goose jumped in very quickly to defend someone's attack on RaGe, who seems to have written something that was very suggestive (in terms of like, everyone being: OMG RaGe is red because he said this) but then RaGe is able to defend himself. So if he's good perhaps he tried to lead people into doing what he was suggesting, but if the plan backfired he could say that he never actually said such a thing?
I'm also for the conspiracy theory that Caller and nai.Protoss are both scum. So if anyone listened to Caller and lynched nai.Protoss, then Caller's name would be cleared. Perhaps Caller felt like Protoss was not doing a good job as mafia and tried to use it to win some trust? Protoss also had that issue earlier where he made a fluff post saying Caller made sense, which seemed like he was eager to agree with Caller and at the same time somehow failing to follow the instructions... this makes me very confused. =(
nai.Protoss kept his vote on Caller, even though he stated he doesn't believe Caller is mafia and he said he'd change it he "can find somone better to vote for". But Protoss didn't change his vote immediately when he expressed in the thread that he agrees with the RaGe on lynching RoL. So all in all I'm just rather confused by him. >.>
Protoss most recently said:
I would just like to point out that since Caller is now proven to be mafia and he tried to take me out near the start when he was under risk of being lynched, I am clearly not mafia. Although I am also proving your point that I only post to defend myself and I am semi-inactive. But until I find time to sift through all these posts and come up with a good arguement for why somone is mafia I don't have anything to post.
It would seem rather obvious to anyone that if Caller was mafia and not playing some mind game then Protoss is innocent. So why is Protoss so adamant on saying see everyone, I'm innocent!! and then posting fluff again?
My conclusion about Protoss is really that he seems rather confused (reasonably so if what he stated is true and this is his first game) so either way, if he's townie or mafia he's not much harm really so we should go for more experienced and influential people that we are more certain about?
That being said, voted for Caller and double lynch. I feel like the back and forth stuff between Caller and Ace is really confusing so hopefully this will at least clear that up a bit so we can focus. Also it seems like we're making okay progress so I think a double lynch will be beneficial tomorrow.
P.S. I don't know if you guys do any post-game analysis stuff, but can someone explain to me afterwards what the whole deal with Ace and his bidding stuff is? Its motivation is really confusing to me. >.<
P.P.S. I'm a girl, and stating this mainly because I would prefer to be referred to as a she instead of a he (in reference to Incognito's post mainly xD).
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Love it that im the only australia (so i think) so little people here
Anyway Korynne why did you do analysis on protoss when even you say that he's no threat to us even if he is mafia. I also wanna know why you voted for double lynch, reasoning and who we should hit, this is something pretty important and you've given no reasoning
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Well he just seemed fishy when I first started reading the thread.He seemed readable, whereas people like Ace really confuse me. >.<
I was just doing analysis, didn't know what I would come up with as I went along, and I made my conclusion at the end. I didn't analyze anyone that I did not write about. Sure, if I knew ahead of time then I might not do an analysis on Protoss, but he seemed manageable when I was reading so I'm just trying my best to contribute. I definitely will be watching him, but I think if he's the last mafia left there really isn't much harm and we could take him out easily, whereas someone with more experience would be more scary. So given that I don't have much against protoss and he doesn't seem like a great player, my final conclusion is just to keep an eye on him and focus on bigger threats.
Like I said, I'm new at this, so if someone else manages to find something real on protoss after I brought him to everyone's attention then I've managed to contribute my part.
Do you know already who you wish to lynch tomorrow Scara? I personally don't. But I see kind of two lines of people in focus right now, Caller/Ace/etc. and BC/RoL/etc. So I think it'll be reasonably likely that we can find someone suspicious tied to both of those camps, and therefore a double lynch would speed things up a little in terms of what information we would have regarding those two camps.
Why have you not contributed much Scara? It seems like all you've done is get in a fight with Jugan, and seem condescending overall and focus on how the quality of the posts suck. You keep asking questions, but where's your analysis of anything?
Games in the past that ive played all point to lynching big players that look suspicious pays off some of the time but most turn out town, then you're left with inactives which allows mafia to sit there, do fuck all and get away with it
So from this game I'm assuming Caller is a "big player," of course this could be an incorrect assumption since I have not gone through previous games to see what Caller is like, but he certainly gives off that impression.
So scara in your first vote you said:
##vote caller
Where are you caller, if you post i'll change my vote but inactiveness leads to death
So you voted for a big player AND an inactive...I don't get it.
You then retract your vote because you didn't read carefully, and just throw out names randomly while stating you haven't finished reading yet...
I NEED TO READ THE RULES LOOOOOOOOOOOL ## vote for BloodyC0bbler LOL sorry guys i'll change it after ive read everything im up to page 22
And then finally vote for Jugan, basically because he clutters up the thread rather than you think he is mafia.
Now today you just bandwagon vote Caller, implying that you need no reasoning because motbob already said it. I've given more reason to vote Caller than you have.
So Scara, could you please explain your reasoning, rather than asking other people to do so for you?
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On April 19 2010 12:22 TheLardyGooser wrote:
I know this might seem counter-intuitive, but at this stage of the game with nothing but speculation, flames and no clues, taking a random shot at this point has a 79% of killing a villager. Added to that the only people being accused of being "scummy" at this point are just people who are acting like jerks, and it would be a huge mistake to potentially cut off someone who could be valuable just because of a bad attitude.
I think Radfield is right in suggesting we go after inactives that won't get the mod hammer with our first lynch. That way regardless of whether we hit red or green, we will at least be narrowing down the field of players to those who will actually contribute and make the game more fun for everyone.
For example, whether or not we may feel that Caller is being scummy, it is day 1 and none of us really have anything concrete to go on besides the fact we may disagree with him. I just feel like it would be a waste to make an unfounded accusation and get rid of someone who is at least contributing to the game at large.
Just my two noob cents.
just my 2 cents after reading all the new pages. Will post more when I get back from school.
I think today is a 100% Caller lynch, cause either way he flips we get a lot of information.
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On April 21 2010 19:42 Korynne wrote:Well he just seemed fishy when I first started reading the thread.He seemed readable, whereas people like Ace really confuse me. >.< I was just doing analysis, didn't know what I would come up with as I went along, and I made my conclusion at the end. I didn't analyze anyone that I did not write about. Sure, if I knew ahead of time then I might not do an analysis on Protoss, but he seemed manageable when I was reading so I'm just trying my best to contribute. I definitely will be watching him, but I think if he's the last mafia left there really isn't much harm and we could take him out easily, whereas someone with more experience would be more scary. So given that I don't have much against protoss and he doesn't seem like a great player, my final conclusion is just to keep an eye on him and focus on bigger threats. Like I said, I'm new at this, so if someone else manages to find something real on protoss after I brought him to everyone's attention then I've managed to contribute my part. Do you know already who you wish to lynch tomorrow Scara? I personally don't. But I see kind of two lines of people in focus right now, Caller/Ace/etc. and BC/RoL/etc. So I think it'll be reasonably likely that we can find someone suspicious tied to both of those camps, and therefore a double lynch would speed things up a little in terms of what information we would have regarding those two camps. Why have you not contributed much Scara? It seems like all you've done is get in a fight with Jugan, and seem condescending overall and focus on how the quality of the posts suck. You keep asking questions, but where's your analysis of anything? Show nested quote +Games in the past that ive played all point to lynching big players that look suspicious pays off some of the time but most turn out town, then you're left with inactives which allows mafia to sit there, do fuck all and get away with it So from this game I'm assuming Caller is a "big player," of course this could be an incorrect assumption since I have not gone through previous games to see what Caller is like, but he certainly gives off that impression. So scara in your first vote you said: Show nested quote +##vote caller
Where are you caller, if you post i'll change my vote but inactiveness leads to death So you voted for a big player AND an inactive...I don't get it. You then retract your vote because you didn't read carefully, and just throw out names randomly while stating you haven't finished reading yet... Show nested quote +I NEED TO READ THE RULES LOOOOOOOOOOOL ## vote for BloodyC0bbler LOL sorry guys i'll change it after ive read everything im up to page 22 And then finally vote for Jugan, basically because he clutters up the thread rather than you think he is mafia. Now today you just bandwagon vote Caller, implying that you need no reasoning because motbob already said it. I've given more reason to vote Caller than you have. So Scara, could you please explain your reasoning, rather than asking other people to do so for you?
There you go, thats all i was asking for, not just analysis but some suggestions aswell. See i have no idea who to vote to lynch, i might vote for Ace if caller turns out green but im not sure whats best for us in this situation hence why im calling for suggestions not just "oh check this out he might be scummy" like whats been happening.
Yeah i havent really contributed that much because i dont really know what to do  . I can't do awesome analysis of clues (not relevent to this game but going off prior games) or behaviour and pin reds like many others can do. The way i see my self contributing to the thread is giving my two cents where nessessary which mostly is about keeping the town clear and heading in the right direction. I felt that the posts from jugan were majorly cluttering the thread and detracting efforts from finding actual reds, note i clarified and explained that its not the posting overall that i said "sucks" it was jugans and jugans posts only that "suck". And im trying to contribute now, as you can see in the pages leading up to this people are doing good analysis but none of those who are doing analysis are calling for lynches and very limited ammount of town are giving their thoughts on this, thats why im calling for most of the town to come out so we can head in the right direction that most of us agree with, i want to make sure that one of our most important assets, the double lynch is used properly.
The reason that im not analysing or giving my thoughs on analysis is because im very very very bad, ask BC, ver, qatol hell 99% of people that have played mafia with me would say im one of the worst. I feel that any of my "analysis" if you want to call it that would just detract attention from good people like BC, Ace, caller, incog, ROL etc, hence me not posting analysis or my thoughts on it, ive been doing this after my first game of mafia.
And in regards to my votes I thought it was pretty obvious when i voted that i wasnt done reading the thread, i voted for caller because where i was up to in the thead he hadn't posted once. After a few pages i wanted to change my vote, changed it to abstain but i didnt read the rules, so i changed it to a good friend of mine BC (for the lols  ) as a filler till i was done reading the thread and could make a proper decision to who should be lynched, and i felt like that should have been jugan
I voted caller because reading through the thread when someone claiming to be a DT calls out someone as being scum, you're going to catch at least one mafia. If Ace is a DT then we get caller as mafia, if not we know that Ace is mafia getting rid of caller. Thats why i said in the votes thread, what motbob said which refered to "Caller and then Ace if Caller flips green"
So theres my train of thought in asking everyone for their reasoning, thoughts, analysis. Mine isnt going to do the town any good and at the moment with the main players clashing heads without sugesting something town can't move forward as well as we can
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Alrighty, I've been asked to take a look at Abenson since he's directly below me on the list. This is a horrible person to try and analyze because not only has a lot of people already done it for me, but he hasn't posted anything since those people spoke on him.
It is interesting to note that he did propose to keep Caller around noting: "If he's not mafia he'll benefit us." He also thinks BM's assassin plan is dumb but in his final post he's willing to discuss it.
So, there really isn't much to go on with him this game IMO. He's either confused town or confused scum. Honestly, I'd actually consider him being an assassin based on what he's said so far.
Not liking the last five pages or so at all. Just a lot of people bickering at each other and the same names popping up over and over. It's all a major distraction, and I have no idea what it's supposed to be distracting from. Shame on every townie that's willingly a part of it, what the hell do you think you're doing?
I also wonder why Bill Murray seems to have dropped his plan so suddenly and willingly. I have to confess that it didn't make sense to me, so maybe I missed something, but I don't think that anything that has happened so far should have derailed the plan as he proposed it.
And now for the centerpiece: Ace and Caller. I actually really like Caller's defense but as he noted there really isn't any defending him now. If Ace is mafia trying to BS us then I'll happily take one mislynch now for a dead mafia the next day, whether by lynch or by vig shot. And if Ace is a townie or assassin or whatever trying to BS us, then I'll seriously have to think about playing with him ever again.
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Good morning; sorry if this seems a bit rushed, but I've got less than 10 minutes before I need to leave and I probably won't be posting until the evening again. Most of my post will be some quick thoughts on KF91/Scamp/Inf/Darth, as I said I was going to do last night. As for the current situation before us, given Ace's Detective claim last night and his recent claim that Caller checked red this one is actually a fairly simple decision, unless Ace is bullshitting us all.
Analysis of KF91:
+ Show Spoiler +
Summary of arguments:
- Agrees with early double-lynch; actually gives some solid reasoning as why to do so
- Against BM's plan
- Picks out Jugan and Osmoses for later analysis
- Thinks Caller is mafia due to his erratic behavior
- Analysis made on infundibulum as possible mafia
Comments: Everything he's said so far seems to be logical. Follows Incognito's lead in agreeing with Osmoses and doing next-person analysis (but then again, so am I). I agree with his analysis on Inf, and so we should keep an eye on him. Fairly pro-town player IMO.
Brief thoughts on Scamp, Inf, Darth:
+ Show Spoiler +- Scamp - posted quite a bit in the early game, dropped off the face of the planet later. Picked out TheLardyGooser early but hasn't said much since. Keep an eye out for him.
- Inf - See comments above. Also, Inf has posted since then, and I think he's in the clear for now.
- Darth - Bandwagoning early on, but makes some okay posts. I'd say he's actually green and just making common newb mistakes, except my perception of him is colored since I happen to know him. Don't think there's much to worry from him though.
Of these three, I'd say we should be most careful of Inf, then Scamp, then Darth. There's nothing much to suggest that any of them are scum.
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Last thing before I leave:
On April 21 2010 20:58 Scamp wrote:
And now for the centerpiece: Ace and Caller. I actually really like Caller's defense but as he noted there really isn't any defending him now. If Ace is mafia trying to BS us then I'll happily take one mislynch now for a dead mafia the next day, whether by lynch or by vig shot. And if Ace is a townie or assassin or whatever trying to BS us, then I'll seriously have to think about playing with him ever again.
Given how erratic he's been so far, I wouldn't be surprised.
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On April 21 2010 15:49 motbob wrote:
I don't want to get modkilled, so here I am, posting. I think town is pretty much on the right track so there is no need to delve into anyone's posts or anything yet.
So good...
Let's have a look at our lynch results next Day first.
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