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Infundibulum
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
United States2552 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-07-03 07:30:19
July 03 2009 07:29 GMT
#101
posting to confirm i got my role pm.

yeah fog is far and away the best option for day 1. Depending on how the clues look, I can see snow working for day 2. The important thing about being able to list check is it gives us more information to pick from for our double lynches. I don't want to be working largely off clues/behavior if the oppurtunity for list checking exists.

e: spelling
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BloodyC0bbler
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Canada7876 Posts
July 03 2009 07:30 GMT
#102
On July 03 2009 16:28 Ace wrote:
God I hate it when BC tries to stop the chaos and trolling :/


I like to win which requires no trolling rawr.
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BloodyC0bbler
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Canada7876 Posts
July 03 2009 07:33 GMT
#103
On July 03 2009 16:29 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote:
posting to confirm i got my role pm.

yeah fog is far and away the best option for day 1. Depending on how the clues look, I can see snow working for day 2. The important thing about being able to list check is it gives us more information to pick from for our double lynches. I don't want to be working largely off clues/behavior if the oppurtunity for list checking exists.

e: spelling



List check only works in ideal conditions like

A) town being smart and breaking off into vote lists on top suspects and checking them seperately
B) Dt's being competent and then knowing who to supply info with
C) taking an enormous amount of time to pin pledges.

For now, reducing their kp is a higher priority.

After day 1 if we don't fog, we should move into rain. But depends on how many pledges there are, and if we succesfully first lynch one.
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Infundibulum
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United States2552 Posts
July 03 2009 07:59 GMT
#104
On July 03 2009 16:33 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 03 2009 16:29 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote:
posting to confirm i got my role pm.

yeah fog is far and away the best option for day 1. Depending on how the clues look, I can see snow working for day 2. The important thing about being able to list check is it gives us more information to pick from for our double lynches. I don't want to be working largely off clues/behavior if the oppurtunity for list checking exists.

e: spelling



List check only works in ideal conditions like

A) town being smart and breaking off into vote lists on top suspects and checking them seperately
B) Dt's being competent and then knowing who to supply info with
C) taking an enormous amount of time to pin pledges.

For now, reducing their kp is a higher priority.

After day 1 if we don't fog, we should move into rain. But depends on how many pledges there are, and if we succesfully first lynch one.


B is the only real hurdle. And it is a big one, I acknowledge that. When we can provide the town 2-3 suspects to vote for, it's not hard to split the voters into groups. Just do it alphabetically. Organizing a list check clearly benefits the town - and therefore any pledges must play along and vote for the designated person, lest they appear suspicious by not voting/voting incorrectly etc. I don't know if this takes an enormous amount of time... maybe 1-2 days to see results?

That said the only way I would go with snow on Day 2 is if the clue writing is very favorable. Otherwise fog/rain are superior choices.

Plexa: i may have missed this, but can the emperor be checked by the mystic's ability, or will he just be revealed as "emperor"?

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BloodyC0bbler
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Canada7876 Posts
July 03 2009 08:01 GMT
#105
you get a yes or no from the mystic if your mafia or not, so yes the emperor can be verified if GF doesnt toss his ability on him

Snow is only useful to the few players in this game who can clue analyze, so As much as i would love fog, it is just not reasonable to use unless his clues are insanely simple
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BloodyC0bbler
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Canada7876 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-07-03 08:06:47
July 03 2009 08:05 GMT
#106
Ok re-reading rule set.

Mystic can use his ability right away (of if this changes to night still doesnt matter). The GF can alter what a person flips the following day

IE

GF sends in his hit list tonight and says player X will be seen as red for a dt check.
Player X is seen as red following morning into night.


THIS MEANS
Two dts, check myself and MBH or Myself and L NOW

At this point the reveal rate is almost 100% so lets abuse it please.

EDIT:

If whoever you check does not flip mafia, instantly tell them
Chances of hitting the GF are low, and we need dts working with a voice asap.
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HeavOnEarth
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States7087 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-07-03 09:08:13
July 03 2009 09:07 GMT
#107

Plexa: i may have missed this, but can the emperor be checked by the mystic's ability, or will he just be revealed as "emperor"?


Yeah they show up as townie/mafia.
But even if we RC and they show up as mafia, it could be the GF using his ability :S
Correction:

Godfather
The Godfather is the head of the Mafia.
- Not revealed in rolechecks
- Adds 1 to mafia kill power
- Change of Heart mechanic (can be used X times); at any stage of the game the Godfather can change one players alignment from Town to Mafioso. Any special abilities the player has are retained. This ability may not be used on the Emperor/Chief Priest if there are still bodyguards alive.
- If killed by a assassin, the Godfather role will be transferred to another Mafioso.



Change of Heart cannot be used if there are still bodyguards alive.
On July 01 2009 00:32 Plexa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 30 2009 23:56 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
10. Do the emperor and high priest show up as their original alignment to alignment checks?
By alignment there are only two choices - townie or mafia.

I don't think that answers the question...
Yes, they do.

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BWdero
Profile Joined February 2008
Netherlands476 Posts
July 03 2009 09:11 GMT
#108
I'm here, confirming that I received my role.
Stars fighting! Member #43 of Violet fan cafe. Fuck Kespa.
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
July 03 2009 09:11 GMT
#109
Posting to confirm I got my role. Also, I probably won't be able to be as active as in the last Mafia, but I'll be sure to check this at least a couple of times a day.
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HeavOnEarth
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States7087 Posts
July 03 2009 09:27 GMT
#110
On July 03 2009 16:10 Foolishness wrote:
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On July 03 2009 16:07 HeavOnEarth wrote:
soo. i wonder if mafia players have their roles yet


That is by far the most useless post in this topic, and that's quite a feat considering there's already a bunch of other useless posts.

i was making a joke to the other mafia game where people(mafia) made useless posts(purposely) right after a clearly helpful one, as this list was really nice and will help a lot with clue analysis.

On July 03 2009 15:31 araav wrote:
hey, hey

let's see who is who, shall we?

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HeavOnEarth
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States7087 Posts
July 03 2009 09:30 GMT
#111
On July 03 2009 11:30 Ace wrote:
I vote for Elemenope

i think i posted similarly to him when i was mafia actually.
but
shoo! ^ ^l
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Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Aotearoa39261 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-07-03 11:03:38
July 03 2009 09:58 GMT
#112
On July 03 2009 18:07 HeavOnEarth wrote:
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Plexa: i may have missed this, but can the emperor be checked by the mystic's ability, or will he just be revealed as "emperor"?


Yeah they show up as townie/mafia.
But even if we RC and they show up as mafia, it could be the GF using his ability :S
Correction:
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Godfather
The Godfather is the head of the Mafia.
- Not revealed in rolechecks
- Adds 1 to mafia kill power
- Change of Heart mechanic (can be used X times); at any stage of the game the Godfather can change one players alignment from Town to Mafioso. Any special abilities the player has are retained. This ability may not be used on the Emperor/Chief Priest if there are still bodyguards alive.
- If killed by a assassin, the Godfather role will be transferred to another Mafioso.



Change of Heart cannot be used if there are still bodyguards alive.
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On July 01 2009 00:32 Plexa wrote:
On June 30 2009 23:56 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
10. Do the emperor and high priest show up as their original alignment to alignment checks?
By alignment there are only two choices - townie or mafia.

I don't think that answers the question...
Yes, they do.

Thats the old ruleset with the old Godfather mechanic. The Cover ability can be used on the Emperor regardless of whether bodyguards are alive.
On July 03 2009 12:21 L wrote:
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On July 03 2009 12:00 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
Also, mafia can fake vote list checks because they know how many mafia vote for each person...

Also, you correctly said that the DT need to role check important people Day 1 before Cover is possible... so why would we do anything other than Fog Day 1 when DTs should be using alignment check instead of vote list check (which they can't use Day 1).

I dunno how intentional these mistakes are but it doesn't look like anything someone should

Pyrry Says: vote BloodyC0bbler unless he comes up red today because he's the best player running and, at the very least, he understands (this should be obvious) that taking anything other than the guaranteed KP lowering at this point is stupid.

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See this thing? If you're green, TURN IT ON!

Fog is by far the best option for day 1 by far. If we are going to to play a list based game during days 2-5, we can't keep fog up during day 2. Fog, however, may not be the best choice during subsequent days, when Rain and Snow provide us with a .33kp reduction if we play our priest right, or additional clues and let us check lists.

And all of the 'mistakes' are within the area after.

Mafia cannot 'set up' lists. We cut the checked lists in half every day and substantially hem their ability to throw votes around in. They can delay the inevitable, but all of their pledges should be out in the open by day 4-5. Losing the suicide bomber means we can do a number of solid things, like set up our angels on our priest and have him just chain res blue targets.

Plexa, do covered pledges show up on lists? Do dead covered people flip as the cover or as their real role?
Covered pledges do not show up on lists if they are covered when the list is checked. Dead covereds flip as their real role.
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HeavOnEarth
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States7087 Posts
July 03 2009 10:04 GMT
#113
oh shit my bad, didn't know they changed.
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Canada4732 Posts
July 03 2009 10:58 GMT
#114
If covered pledges do not show up on lists there is almost no point to trying to split lists and narrow the groups down systematically.

Fog is looking much stronger in that instance.
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BWdero
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Netherlands476 Posts
July 03 2009 11:45 GMT
#115
On July 03 2009 05:05 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
Good players that should be on a medic list include but are not limited to:
MrBabyHands
BloodyC0bbler
BWDero
Bockit


The hell am I doing on that list Pyrry? I suck at this game.
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Bockit
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Sydney2287 Posts
July 03 2009 11:57 GMT
#116
On July 03 2009 20:45 BWdero wrote:
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On July 03 2009 05:05 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
Good players that should be on a medic list include but are not limited to:
MrBabyHands
BloodyC0bbler
BWDero
Bockit


The hell am I doing on that list Pyrry? I suck at this game.


Similarly, especially after last game's shenanigan's haha.

Araav, small glitch in your scraper. It's showing 'no user profile' for me when I have one.

Also fog is pretty much the only choice for day 1, glad we have that sorted.
Their are four errors in this sentance.
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Aotearoa39261 Posts
July 03 2009 12:35 GMT
#117
Since atleast over 66% of participants have responded in this thread Night 1 will indeed begin around 00:00 KST tonight.
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Plexa
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Aotearoa39261 Posts
July 03 2009 12:44 GMT
#118
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All was quiet in the town of Liquiville. The sleepy town had never been one which dabbled in the troubles of bigger cities and was content to live a simple country life. The moon was high in the sky with the light filtering through the windows of the village folk when the silence was broken by a shrill sharp yell. Confused, two of the village folk went out to investigate the strange noises. Their search lead them to the Emperor’s Palace, a find they wished they could just forget.

As they stepped through the gates they saw a sight which resembled a bloody battle. The bodyguards were strung up on lines like a human clothes line. Blood spilling from their gored bodies and pooling on the ground. The two forced themselves to continue on, for the sake of the town. They tread through the blood and into the inner palace. Little did Camlito and Ace know that this foolish move would be their last. As they entered, a bomb went off to their right, sending a pillar crashing down on top of the poor innocent townies. Both were flattened into human pancakes.

The events at the Palace were not yet through for the night. Plexa, the Emperor, had heard the noises, seen his Bodyguards brutally tortured and murdered and heard the explosion down stairs. He knew that whoever the intruders were, they were after him. Fortunately Plexa’s Palace was well equipped with hiding places after his Uncle’s erratic fear of giant spiders. It was not difficult for him to completely conceal his presence in the room.

Two men were rummaging around in a room nearby, where exactly he could not tell. The sounds came closer and closer and very soon they were in the same room as him. He saw two men; one tall and lanky, the other carrying an explosive device. Their plan became immediate to him, they were going to blow his palace up with him inside. The two began setting the device while Plexa buried himself in his hiding place.

“Wait” said one of them. Plexa heard footsteps, he heard gun load, he felt the cold of the barrel up against the back of his neck. The man pulled the trigger. The Emperor was dead.

Dawn broke, and the cry of the countless vultures overhead woke the villagers from their slumber. The smell of death filled the air and immediately they all knew their quiet little village would stay quiet no longer. Amongst the ruins of the Palace the village found the body of their beloved Emperor as well as the bodies of his fallen guards. There was a note posted on the town gallows which read “We will not rest until every last villagers is dead. You will all pay for what you have done to me”. The town was confused at this note, but knew what they must do. A new Emperor must be elected, one prepared to fight the Mafia insurgence and save the town from brutal slaughter.


No Clue Area

A new Emperor must be elected. Please cast your votes in this thread
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Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States3001 Posts
July 03 2009 13:14 GMT
#119
Current people running for Emperor (unless I missed a platform):
HeavOnEarth :
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On July 03 2009 03:43 HeavOnEarth wrote:
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On June 29 2009 09:38 HeavOnEarth wrote:
I would like to announce my candidacy for Emperor before the game starts and roles are assigned.

from previous thread


BloodyCobbler:
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OK first off

I AM RUNNING FOR OFFICE

I am already seeing idiocy of players that has led to many vets getting insanely discouraged with playing these games. I appreciate Plexa for trying to make this game interesting with the addition of different roles, tweaking how some work, and the addition of fog. Now lets outline why I should be in office.

Weather

I'm already seeing debate on weather, and You guys are saying opt for rain? We have two medics, each have an extra life, and they can protect people. Historically medics have sucked more than any other role in the game, IE don't depend on them early game, how hard is this to understand, MEDICS DO NOT WIN GAMES. This instantly gets rid of the damn rain option.

Next we have sunny which allows our assassins to attack. If you guys vote for this I will kill you. EVEN IF they hit a mafia, which we all jump and joy in, there is a chance they hit the godfather, and guess what, this means the godfather role gets given to another mafia and we have to find the damn guy again, way to much effort, so sunny isn't an option we want, also vigi roles aren't always reliable, lynches are where we have to win, so SUNNY is out.

Next we have snow, snow is useful for hey additional clues. Guess what, most of the top clue analyzers from all previous games aren't in this one, IE the amount of people benefiting from these clues is so damn small its not worth voting on, so we ignore snow.

This leaves fog, ie WE SPAM FOG. All greens should be voting fog every day to keep it going. It removes the pledges kp from the mafia. So if there would be at least 1 possibly as high as 3 or 4 pledges. This will reduce a KP from the mafia meaning 1-2 less people die at night. THAT IS A GUARENTEE. Medics are not guarenteed to protect so this is a safer bet. So we spam fog until the pledges are all dead, then move on to a different weather. Also note, with fog reducing the mafia KP, the suicide bomber will be less likely to use his ability as it removes even more kp from them.


Leadership
In most games I have played, I have worked in some way in town circles working for the benefit of the town, many times leading to a win for the town. This gives me the experience to help lead the town and help keep it organized. The towns in the last few games have been reduced to very small voices screaming at a mass of chaos and leads to failure, it has to stop. I would make an excellent choice for the leadership purely based off my experience at keeping some form of order.
Untop of that, for once I am one of a very few in terms of a specific skill. I, as ive said in other games, clue analyze. Out of the current player base of this game, Myself and Pyrr are most likely most known for spending time on clues (there may be one or two people from pyrr's game , but i didnt pay much attention to it). This means either him or myself should have the bg protection purely to keep us alive to use that skill. I will do my best to keep us alive.

Double Lynch
I will make sure we get these used on top mafia targets, IE if we have two insanely guilty looking people, double lynch will be used. We wont have to worry about constantly voting for double lynch one day, then worrying mafia stop it. IT WILL GET USED and by god it will get by the town.

These are merely a few points, but seriously with the debate of what to vote on for weather, A strong player is needed as the emperor or we are all fucked.


Vote for me

but more importantly VOTE FOR FOG


L:
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Fog or Snow are the obvious only choices for Day 1. Snow on days 1 and 2 might give us a very solid clue set from which to work from.

The only thing I worry about regarding an auto-fog vote is the inability to cross check for pledges later on. Basically you guys need to weigh the value of additional clues versus 2 extra kills. Remember that resurrection means that reducing mafia KP is more important, since we can approach a break-even point much quicker.

With that said, this is the only day that Cover is not active. From tomorrow onwards, mafia will likely attempt to get DTs to check covered targets, which means that a double check on the godfather knocks more than both our DTs out; It could also very well confirm a number of mafia as blue, and likely end the game. So would Godfather attempt to run for Emperor and draw DT checks to himself? I would if I were him.

Having said that. I will run for emperor, largely to split the vote and give us at the very least solid lists to check.

I'm not going to bother putting up a fancy platform, because quite frankly we really don't have enough information on mafia numbers or any clues with which to form a decent plan. As with the previous game I was in, I plan on setting up a situation that assures us kills during double lynches on days 3 and 4. Note that our DTs cannot confirm roles; they only get the ability to determine Mafia/Not mafia.

Because of this, It is my opinion that after day 1's 'checks' happen to form circles of trust, we co-ordinate vote list information, and have multiple cross checks to make sure no one is providing false information.

There is, however, a problem with that.

Given Godfather Emperor, Dts can never be certain that the 'other DT' they're told about is the real one. If they doubt and don't role check, Godfather can use DT cover and then we have a situation in which detective info can be faked. This, however, is a foolish gambit; if the fake DT is not mafia, he will not be able to provide the true DT with a vote list to check alongside the list published in the thread, and if he is mafia, reds cannot kill DTs singly without having the other unmask 2 mafia worth 1.5 kp. Essentially the gambit is useless, unless the mafia want to keep the DTs alive, but that would result in a crushing amount of cross checked vote lists.

So, given the fact that the alternative is fucking stupid as shit, Emperor or whomever DTs end up trusting needs to reveal the existance of the other DT. DTs NEED to be sure to check before night starts, however, and we cannot fuck the timing up. In this way, a mafia godfather cannot falsify vote-lists even if a DT replies late and the Godfather is forced to post during night.

All of that said, there are some intentional 'mistakes' left in this plan, and a few potential gambits the mafia could use against it. Feel free to find them.


Platform posts in the spoilers. I'll update as things are added, either in this post, or in another post if people don't want to see too many edits. With that said, Wouldn't really consider HeavOnEarth at the moment due to a lack of platform. Both BC and L have experience and sound platforms, with Pyrry supporting BC.
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Pyrrhuloxia
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States6700 Posts
July 03 2009 15:54 GMT
#120
All was quiet in the town of Liquiville. The sleepy town had never been one which dabbled in the troubles of bigger cities and was content to live a simple country life. The moon was high in the sky with the light filtering through the windows of the village folk when the silence was broken by a shrill sharp yell. Confused, two of the village folk went out to investigate the strange noises. Their search lead them to the Emperor’s Palace, a find they wished they could just forget.

As they stepped through the gates they saw a sight which resembled a bloody battle. The bodyguards were strung up on lines like a human clothes line. Blood spilling from their gored bodies and pooling on the ground. The two forced themselves to continue on, for the sake of the town. They tread through the blood and into the inner palace. Little did Camlito and Ace know that this foolish move would be their last. As they entered, a bomb went off to their right, sending a pillar crashing down on top of the poor innocent townies. Both were flattened into human pancakes.

The events at the Palace were not yet through for the night. Plexa, the Emperor, had heard the noises, seen his Bodyguards brutally tortured and murdered and heard the explosion down stairs. He knew that whoever the intruders were, they were after him. Fortunately Plexa’s Palace was well equipped with hiding places after his Uncle’s erratic fear of giant spiders. It was not difficult for him to completely conceal his presence in the room.

Two men were rummaging around in a room nearby, where exactly he could not tell. The sounds came closer and closer and very soon they were in the same room as him. He saw two men; one tall and lanky, the other carrying an explosive device. Their plan became immediate to him, they were going to blow his palace up with him inside. The two began setting the device while Plexa buried himself in his hiding place.

“Wait” said one of them. Plexa heard footsteps, he heard gun load, he felt the cold of the barrel up against the back of his neck. The man pulled the trigger. The Emperor was dead.

Dawn broke, and the cry of the countless vultures overhead woke the villagers from their slumber. The smell of death filled the air and immediately they all knew their quiet little village would stay quiet no longer. Amongst the ruins of the Palace the village found the body of their beloved Emperor as well as the bodies of his fallen guards. There was a note posted on the town gallows which read “We will not rest until every last villagers is dead. You will all pay for what you have done to me”. The town was confused at this note, but knew what they must do. A new Emperor must be elected, one prepared to fight the Mafia insurgence and save the town from brutal slaughter.

I bolded some passages I thought might be clue-related. Also, Plexa is buried underground when found and some how a mafia is able to put a gun to the back of his neck while he's under? I have to go to work in 10 so I won't have a chance to look through profiles or anything for hours.
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