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Germany / USA16648 Posts
or you could mail them to carnac311@gmail.com , i'd host them on tlnet webspace
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On January 13 2007 12:00 zulu_nation8 wrote:
Oh yea and did I mention I have invented every starcraft build order that have ever existed? I am the messiah of the strategy forum. I've all killed the ]N[exus clan in 1:2 AND 1:3 while taking a shit. I'm the only reason you go to teamliquid, bow to me motherfucker
Oh wow!
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^ ^ Zach, I'd say just ignore these guys.
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darknexus i'll flame you later i gotta play a tourney
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On January 13 2007 12:03 Carnac wrote:
or you could mail them to carnac311@gmail.com i'll, i'd host them on tlnet webspace
Hey thanks a bunch, but I just uploaded them at bghers.com. It will take a little while for them to be "approved" and appear in the replay list, and I'll provide a link as soon as thats done.
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On September 23 2006 20:02 DarK]N[exuS wrote:
He just doesn't want you insulting the foreigners wins. But I agree, the Koreans don't really seem to give a rat's ass about this tourney.
P.S. Zulu you arrogant fuck, Sea.Pie does not suck. You should be the one who quits posting until you can quit acting like you're a fucking pro, it's goddamn annoying.
Yes it is very annoying I know, I can't help it if I was born to be a pro
On December 21 2006 22:27 DarK]N[exuS wrote:
Ok that's so much bullshit. You and I both know you're nowhere near A- level Zulu, so what is this shit about being A- level to get to try out.
You and I both? Who's you, who are you? you seem to know a lot about me while you've never talked to be on b.net or didn't have the balls to say youre darknexus. You understand that this constitues as "stalker" like behavior right?
On October 10 2006 16:02 DarK]N[exuS wrote:
I don't put alot of people down
The people I put down are:
Nony
Incontrol (on occasion)
Idra (especially)
Zulu
That's it.
So you actually have a list. That's not obsessed.
On January 12 2007 13:25 DarK]N[exuS wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2007 21:28 zulu_nation8 wrote:
They re'ed immediately after and midian raped ambition in 10 minutes with muta/ling. First game he lost his two expo hatches was the only reason the game lasted that long. Why are you defending him vs nobody's insults. Also, that's like saying "the only reason I lost was because I lost all my barracks." Well no shit.
I'm not defending him I was just stating what had happened. Cuz you know, defending needs something to defend against as you pointed out. More importantly what did that comment have to do with you? Did you miss me too much that you had to get my attention again?
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find me a quote where i've seriously said I was anything more than C- pgt high. If you don't then I think you should shut the fuck up
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Beyonder
Netherlands15103 Posts
Both of you quit the immature bickering in threads please. Continue in PM if you feel the need to compare your electronic penisses.
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On January 13 2007 12:19 Gandalf wrote:
Hey thanks a bunch, but I just uploaded them at bghers.com. It will take a little while for them to be "approved" and appear in the replay list, and I'll provide a link as soon as thats done.
Sorry for time delay, been working 14 hrs today, but i published them now :-)
http://bghers.com/e107/download.php?view.290
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On January 13 2007 03:38 Gandalf wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2007 03:21 BalloonFight wrote:On January 13 2007 02:52 Gandalf wrote:
I think a week is too little. You forget that top BGH players have played protoss and PvP far more then testie (since his being random means he plays all 9 match ups). Saying that testi'es PvP is better than any top BGHers PvP implies he is more "talented" than them. How can we make this assumption? Just because they play a different, less complicated map doesn't mean they're any less skilled.
The BGH elite have insanely good zealot/goon micro (and the other aspects of their game are very solid too), and they probably have had about 4x more practice at it than testie. Oh c'mon now Chris. Testie is a great player, and could EASILY get to top "Bgh" status within a week. Do you really think it would be so difficult for him to adapt? All he needs to "learn" is at exactly what point to add the 3rd and 4th and so on gateway. I bet his micro is as good if not better than the best bghers 1v1 players, whoever they may be.. since there aren't that many. All 1v1 BGH = is zealot micro early game, then late game goon production. The only difficult parts are knowing when to add gates, the constant micro/macro from 2-6 gates (which shouldn't be a problem for one of the best players) and transitioning to goons/dt tech. You make it sound like its the most difficult thing to learn for a ridiculously good player already. You've misinterpreted my post completely. I don't know why you're arguing about assimilating BGH strategies. I've clearly stated several times that strategy-wise BGH is a shallow map. Testie would need perhaps a day to deconstruct and assimilate all viable builds. Its easy as hell to learn BGH strategy, and I've said that repeatedly, so you've drawn a fallacious conclusion and have tried to counter it. Learning BGH BO's and when to add gates is easy as shit, so I don't quite get what you're trying to prove by hammering it in. Testies mid and late game micro might be better than BGH players, but I wouldn't be so sure about early game micro. Players like koolam have very, very solid micro with zealots and goons, and in a PvP on BGH, zealots and goons and early game play a major role. Its also hard to accurately assess micro and macro by watching replays, unless its BoxeR or oov or someone like that and the micro is some uber fancy shit. But when you play them, you realize the strength and the skill. I know this by personal experience. I've seen testie max out in 14 minutes and wondered, what is so awesome about that? I've done it in less! And I've never seen a testie rep where he did some crazy control move that left me wowed. But when I played him a few times, I was completely blown away. There was this one game where Pickle and I managed to kill of testie's ally in a 2;2 and it was rendered a 1v2. Testie was a two base toss, pickle was a THREE base toss, I was a two base zerg. Thats 5 bases to 2. But when we met in our first big battle, it was - a draw. We all lost all our units. Testie had more mass than pickle, and his micro and storms were picture perfect. (Five bases meant we recovered faster so we did win) Players like koolam have had 9 years of predominantly protoss practice. Testie, on the other hand, is a random player, which means roughly a third of his matches have given him protoss over the same amount of time. The OBVIOUS conclusion is that the ONLY way testie can have better control is IF he has GREATER INNATE TALENT. I fully agree that this is ENTIRELY possible, but you must also admit the possibility that it is NOT, and that koolam might actually have greater technical potential. Or are you going to state that there is no way in hell koolam could have better zealot/goon micro because testie is testie and is a low map player? I'm not making any assumptions. I'm just trying to make everyone aware of the facts and all the possibilities. Or at least of what I feel is a just analysis.
(Even though I'm pages late..)
You didn't need to make such a long post for this Chris, it's pretty simple to argue. If testies micro is as good as koolams, which I would bet my money on it, thats all there is to it. Nothing further.
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On January 13 2007 13:27 PlayerCraft wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2007 12:19 Gandalf wrote:
Hey thanks a bunch, but I just uploaded them at bghers.com. It will take a little while for them to be "approved" and appear in the replay list, and I'll provide a link as soon as thats done. Sorry for time delay, been working 14 hrs today, but i published them now :-) http://bghers.com/e107/download.php?view.290
Hey good to see you here 
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On January 13 2007 13:32 BalloonFight wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2007 03:38 Gandalf wrote:On January 13 2007 03:21 BalloonFight wrote:On January 13 2007 02:52 Gandalf wrote:
I think a week is too little. You forget that top BGH players have played protoss and PvP far more then testie (since his being random means he plays all 9 match ups). Saying that testi'es PvP is better than any top BGHers PvP implies he is more "talented" than them. How can we make this assumption? Just because they play a different, less complicated map doesn't mean they're any less skilled.
The BGH elite have insanely good zealot/goon micro (and the other aspects of their game are very solid too), and they probably have had about 4x more practice at it than testie. Oh c'mon now Chris. Testie is a great player, and could EASILY get to top "Bgh" status within a week. Do you really think it would be so difficult for him to adapt? All he needs to "learn" is at exactly what point to add the 3rd and 4th and so on gateway. I bet his micro is as good if not better than the best bghers 1v1 players, whoever they may be.. since there aren't that many. All 1v1 BGH = is zealot micro early game, then late game goon production. The only difficult parts are knowing when to add gates, the constant micro/macro from 2-6 gates (which shouldn't be a problem for one of the best players) and transitioning to goons/dt tech. You make it sound like its the most difficult thing to learn for a ridiculously good player already. You've misinterpreted my post completely. I don't know why you're arguing about assimilating BGH strategies. I've clearly stated several times that strategy-wise BGH is a shallow map. Testie would need perhaps a day to deconstruct and assimilate all viable builds. Its easy as hell to learn BGH strategy, and I've said that repeatedly, so you've drawn a fallacious conclusion and have tried to counter it. Learning BGH BO's and when to add gates is easy as shit, so I don't quite get what you're trying to prove by hammering it in. Testies mid and late game micro might be better than BGH players, but I wouldn't be so sure about early game micro. Players like koolam have very, very solid micro with zealots and goons, and in a PvP on BGH, zealots and goons and early game play a major role. Its also hard to accurately assess micro and macro by watching replays, unless its BoxeR or oov or someone like that and the micro is some uber fancy shit. But when you play them, you realize the strength and the skill. I know this by personal experience. I've seen testie max out in 14 minutes and wondered, what is so awesome about that? I've done it in less! And I've never seen a testie rep where he did some crazy control move that left me wowed. But when I played him a few times, I was completely blown away. There was this one game where Pickle and I managed to kill of testie's ally in a 2;2 and it was rendered a 1v2. Testie was a two base toss, pickle was a THREE base toss, I was a two base zerg. Thats 5 bases to 2. But when we met in our first big battle, it was - a draw. We all lost all our units. Testie had more mass than pickle, and his micro and storms were picture perfect. (Five bases meant we recovered faster so we did win) Players like koolam have had 9 years of predominantly protoss practice. Testie, on the other hand, is a random player, which means roughly a third of his matches have given him protoss over the same amount of time. The OBVIOUS conclusion is that the ONLY way testie can have better control is IF he has GREATER INNATE TALENT. I fully agree that this is ENTIRELY possible, but you must also admit the possibility that it is NOT, and that koolam might actually have greater technical potential. Or are you going to state that there is no way in hell koolam could have better zealot/goon micro because testie is testie and is a low map player? I'm not making any assumptions. I'm just trying to make everyone aware of the facts and all the possibilities. Or at least of what I feel is a just analysis. (Even though I'm pages late..) You didn't need to make such a long post for this Chris, it's pretty simple to argue. If testies micro is as good as koolams, which I would bet my money on it, thats all there is to it. Nothing further.
Well after you completely misinterpreted my relatively succinctly stated arguments, what was I to do? I felt compelled to make a full blown example-assisted explanation!
Your current argument I can agree with because it doesn't make any outrageous assessments
Now I wont have to kill you! Or, I can kill you, but then I'd have to tell you.
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intrigue
Washington, D.C9934 Posts
On January 13 2007 13:27 PlayerCraft wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2007 12:19 Gandalf wrote:
Hey thanks a bunch, but I just uploaded them at bghers.com. It will take a little while for them to be "approved" and appear in the replay list, and I'll provide a link as soon as thats done. Sorry for time delay, been working 14 hrs today, but i published them now :-) http://bghers.com/e107/download.php?view.290
hey! very nice, thanks for the hosting and also to gandalf for the replays
welcome to tl.net - pillagers of polls, rapers of mmos, home of millionaires, legacy of pros
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On January 13 2007 12:02 DarK]N[exuS wrote:I don't even understand what you're trying to do. Are you "imitating" me? Are you simply flaming me literally? I think you fail at whatever you are trying to do when you leave me more confused than anything else. Show nested quote +On January 13 2007 12:00 zulu_nation8 wrote:
Oh yea and did I mention I have invented every starcraft build order that have ever existed? I am the messiah of the strategy forum. I've all killed the ]N[exus clan in 1:2 AND 1:3 while taking a shit. I'm the only reason you go to teamliquid, bow to me motherfucker I don't make fun of you for being in that terrible hon_ clan do I? Also, I've never bragged about ]n[ so I don't even understand where you're coming from.  
How the fuck do you know which clan I'm in? WHO ARE YOU GET THE FUCK AWAY FROM ME STOP FUCKING STALKING ME I AM HONEST TO GOD CREEPED OUT BY YOU. You won't tell me your b.net ID, but you fucking watch my every move. jesus christ you are a FUCKING WEIRDO. UGH.
And no you have never made a thread asking people if they knew what the nexus clan was. but more importantly, stay the fuck away from me.
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Thank god justice was just served
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On January 13 2007 13:44 Gandalf wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2007 13:32 BalloonFight wrote:On January 13 2007 03:38 Gandalf wrote:On January 13 2007 03:21 BalloonFight wrote:On January 13 2007 02:52 Gandalf wrote:
I think a week is too little. You forget that top BGH players have played protoss and PvP far more then testie (since his being random means he plays all 9 match ups). Saying that testi'es PvP is better than any top BGHers PvP implies he is more "talented" than them. How can we make this assumption? Just because they play a different, less complicated map doesn't mean they're any less skilled.
The BGH elite have insanely good zealot/goon micro (and the other aspects of their game are very solid too), and they probably have had about 4x more practice at it than testie. Oh c'mon now Chris. Testie is a great player, and could EASILY get to top "Bgh" status within a week. Do you really think it would be so difficult for him to adapt? All he needs to "learn" is at exactly what point to add the 3rd and 4th and so on gateway. I bet his micro is as good if not better than the best bghers 1v1 players, whoever they may be.. since there aren't that many. All 1v1 BGH = is zealot micro early game, then late game goon production. The only difficult parts are knowing when to add gates, the constant micro/macro from 2-6 gates (which shouldn't be a problem for one of the best players) and transitioning to goons/dt tech. You make it sound like its the most difficult thing to learn for a ridiculously good player already. You've misinterpreted my post completely. I don't know why you're arguing about assimilating BGH strategies. I've clearly stated several times that strategy-wise BGH is a shallow map. Testie would need perhaps a day to deconstruct and assimilate all viable builds. Its easy as hell to learn BGH strategy, and I've said that repeatedly, so you've drawn a fallacious conclusion and have tried to counter it. Learning BGH BO's and when to add gates is easy as shit, so I don't quite get what you're trying to prove by hammering it in. Testies mid and late game micro might be better than BGH players, but I wouldn't be so sure about early game micro. Players like koolam have very, very solid micro with zealots and goons, and in a PvP on BGH, zealots and goons and early game play a major role. Its also hard to accurately assess micro and macro by watching replays, unless its BoxeR or oov or someone like that and the micro is some uber fancy shit. But when you play them, you realize the strength and the skill. I know this by personal experience. I've seen testie max out in 14 minutes and wondered, what is so awesome about that? I've done it in less! And I've never seen a testie rep where he did some crazy control move that left me wowed. But when I played him a few times, I was completely blown away. There was this one game where Pickle and I managed to kill of testie's ally in a 2;2 and it was rendered a 1v2. Testie was a two base toss, pickle was a THREE base toss, I was a two base zerg. Thats 5 bases to 2. But when we met in our first big battle, it was - a draw. We all lost all our units. Testie had more mass than pickle, and his micro and storms were picture perfect. (Five bases meant we recovered faster so we did win) Players like koolam have had 9 years of predominantly protoss practice. Testie, on the other hand, is a random player, which means roughly a third of his matches have given him protoss over the same amount of time. The OBVIOUS conclusion is that the ONLY way testie can have better control is IF he has GREATER INNATE TALENT. I fully agree that this is ENTIRELY possible, but you must also admit the possibility that it is NOT, and that koolam might actually have greater technical potential. Or are you going to state that there is no way in hell koolam could have better zealot/goon micro because testie is testie and is a low map player? I'm not making any assumptions. I'm just trying to make everyone aware of the facts and all the possibilities. Or at least of what I feel is a just analysis. (Even though I'm pages late..) You didn't need to make such a long post for this Chris, it's pretty simple to argue. If testies micro is as good as koolams, which I would bet my money on it, thats all there is to it. Nothing further. Well after you completely misinterpreted my relatively succinctly stated arguments, what was I to do? I felt compelled to make a full blown example-assisted explanation! Your current argument I can agree with because it doesn't make any outrageous assessments Now I wont have to kill you! Or, I can kill you, but then I'd have to tell you.
There have been no outrageous statements that I have said. BGH 1v1 focuses completely on what I have previously said (PvP). It's micro, macroing while you micro (off of 2-6 or whatever gates if the game lasts really long), knowing when to add more gates, and knowing when to transition to a higher tech.. meaning goons/dt. It's very simple when you think about it.
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I think you guys should stop arguing and play TMM. ITS SO FUN ^^!
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On January 13 2007 07:27 MYM.Testie wrote:
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The scores are wrong on BGH..
Testie / Daze lost 3-4 didn't we?
Testie / Idra won I can't remember.
Testie / Mondragon / Idra went 5-0 (but Kural aka Koolam did not play)
Testie / Kural are 17-0 vs BGHers. He's an amazing ally. And he will be difficult to beat on BGH & possibly low.
He's quite talented. I really like how his units are always moving, and killing peoples at a greater rate. He's used to constant warfare with his units. I'm sure with enough practice, and if he were a low player, he'd still be known.
I would love to see some replays if you can share them
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On January 13 2007 14:24 BalloonFight wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2007 13:44 Gandalf wrote:On January 13 2007 13:32 BalloonFight wrote:On January 13 2007 03:38 Gandalf wrote:On January 13 2007 03:21 BalloonFight wrote:On January 13 2007 02:52 Gandalf wrote:
I think a week is too little. You forget that top BGH players have played protoss and PvP far more then testie (since his being random means he plays all 9 match ups). Saying that testi'es PvP is better than any top BGHers PvP implies he is more "talented" than them. How can we make this assumption? Just because they play a different, less complicated map doesn't mean they're any less skilled.
The BGH elite have insanely good zealot/goon micro (and the other aspects of their game are very solid too), and they probably have had about 4x more practice at it than testie. Oh c'mon now Chris. Testie is a great player, and could EASILY get to top "Bgh" status within a week. Do you really think it would be so difficult for him to adapt? All he needs to "learn" is at exactly what point to add the 3rd and 4th and so on gateway. I bet his micro is as good if not better than the best bghers 1v1 players, whoever they may be.. since there aren't that many. All 1v1 BGH = is zealot micro early game, then late game goon production. The only difficult parts are knowing when to add gates, the constant micro/macro from 2-6 gates (which shouldn't be a problem for one of the best players) and transitioning to goons/dt tech. You make it sound like its the most difficult thing to learn for a ridiculously good player already. You've misinterpreted my post completely. I don't know why you're arguing about assimilating BGH strategies. I've clearly stated several times that strategy-wise BGH is a shallow map. Testie would need perhaps a day to deconstruct and assimilate all viable builds. Its easy as hell to learn BGH strategy, and I've said that repeatedly, so you've drawn a fallacious conclusion and have tried to counter it. Learning BGH BO's and when to add gates is easy as shit, so I don't quite get what you're trying to prove by hammering it in. Testies mid and late game micro might be better than BGH players, but I wouldn't be so sure about early game micro. Players like koolam have very, very solid micro with zealots and goons, and in a PvP on BGH, zealots and goons and early game play a major role. Its also hard to accurately assess micro and macro by watching replays, unless its BoxeR or oov or someone like that and the micro is some uber fancy shit. But when you play them, you realize the strength and the skill. I know this by personal experience. I've seen testie max out in 14 minutes and wondered, what is so awesome about that? I've done it in less! And I've never seen a testie rep where he did some crazy control move that left me wowed. But when I played him a few times, I was completely blown away. There was this one game where Pickle and I managed to kill of testie's ally in a 2;2 and it was rendered a 1v2. Testie was a two base toss, pickle was a THREE base toss, I was a two base zerg. Thats 5 bases to 2. But when we met in our first big battle, it was - a draw. We all lost all our units. Testie had more mass than pickle, and his micro and storms were picture perfect. (Five bases meant we recovered faster so we did win) Players like koolam have had 9 years of predominantly protoss practice. Testie, on the other hand, is a random player, which means roughly a third of his matches have given him protoss over the same amount of time. The OBVIOUS conclusion is that the ONLY way testie can have better control is IF he has GREATER INNATE TALENT. I fully agree that this is ENTIRELY possible, but you must also admit the possibility that it is NOT, and that koolam might actually have greater technical potential. Or are you going to state that there is no way in hell koolam could have better zealot/goon micro because testie is testie and is a low map player? I'm not making any assumptions. I'm just trying to make everyone aware of the facts and all the possibilities. Or at least of what I feel is a just analysis. (Even though I'm pages late..) You didn't need to make such a long post for this Chris, it's pretty simple to argue. If testies micro is as good as koolams, which I would bet my money on it, thats all there is to it. Nothing further. Well after you completely misinterpreted my relatively succinctly stated arguments, what was I to do? I felt compelled to make a full blown example-assisted explanation! Your current argument I can agree with because it doesn't make any outrageous assessments Now I wont have to kill you! Or, I can kill you, but then I'd have to tell you. There have been no outrageous statements that I have said. BGH 1v1 focuses completely on what I have previously said (PvP). It's micro, macroing while you micro (off of 2-6 or whatever gates if the game lasts really long), knowing when to add more gates, and knowing when to transition to a higher tech.. meaning goons/dt. It's very simple when you think about it. it really doesnt have to be all p.
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I was hyperbolizing when I said "outrageous", but this is what I was talking about:
"I'm pretty sure that given a week of solid practice Testie would be the best in bgh 1v1.. if he isn't already. PvP = bgh 1v1, and we all know testies pvp is good as hell already. ;o"
==> I disagree about the length of time only.
"Testie is a great player, and could EASILY get to top "Bgh" status within a week."
==> Same thing.
"You make it sound like its the most difficult thing to learn for a ridiculously good player already."
==> Hmmm no? I never did? I CLEARLY stated SEVERAL times that learning BGH strategy and builds was the easiest thing in the world.
I have no doubt that testie is already familiar with the most viable builds and strats on BGH. He's played it quite a bit.
In your current post you've again talked about "knowing when to add gates", "knowing when to transition to a higher tech......meaning goons/dt." ==> I dont know why you're saying this to me, because I've already established that this is indeed easy????!!!
Soon we will have a super gosu comment on this. I hope he will be more convincing than me.
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