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Stutters695
Profile Joined July 2012
2610 Posts
July 08 2013 19:01 GMT
#1161
On July 09 2013 03:45 VayneAuthority wrote:
lool nice post of the thread stutters. who you gonna vote for boy


DI. He's scum
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
July 08 2013 19:01 GMT
#1162
Honestly...has CA ever played mafia here before?
I could see him just being newbie town atm.
Staying on DI.
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Stutters695
Profile Joined July 2012
2610 Posts
July 08 2013 19:02 GMT
#1163
##vote: Dandel Ion
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
July 08 2013 19:04 GMT
#1164
On July 09 2013 03:36 Z-BosoN wrote:
Xatalos, tell me more about gumshoe. I remember that I didn't like some of his posts, and I also remember that you played with him before. Any thoughts?


Not particularly relevant to the current situation, but here you go.

1) As gumshoe pointed out, I've only played with him in a pretty old game and his scum meta has apparently changed significantly. So my ability to read him is certainly lower than I initially thought.

2) rayn seems to think he's "supertown", and while I would personally put him at null / slightly town maybe, I don't see him as worth lynching in the near future at least.

3) What he says seems to make sense and I pretty much agree with his posts. Just his relative inactivity and lack of noticeable contributions or scumhunting makes him not a clear townie in my eyes.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
TanGeng
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sanya12364 Posts
July 08 2013 19:04 GMT
#1165
On July 09 2013 03:53 geript wrote:
Look WoS this is a policy lynch vote. Nothing else. Policy lynch votes tend to have a high mislynch probability. Even worst, how all the votes formed on him pretty quickly makes it look strongly like a mislynch. As for why I haven't shifted my opinions on you, it's because you haven't 'gotten srs' and still look scummy.


Geript,

Have you reevaluated WoS? It seemed to me like you did a quick immediate evaluation during the fluff period and just tunneled him for the rest of Day 1. Is there any more evidence beyond the initial gut reaction?

Also take a look at his apparent Hacker claim.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
July 08 2013 19:08 GMT
#1166
There is like 15 votes on andel, and only people who are opposing this lynch (i mean, löike really opposing) are me and geript. Both of us are obviously town.

Looks like you are lynching scum atm right?
Ace why do you pretend to be stupid enough to not see this?
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WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
July 08 2013 19:09 GMT
#1167
On July 09 2013 04:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:
There is like 15 votes on andel, and only people who are opposing this lynch (i mean, löike really opposing) are me and geript. Both of us are obviously town.

Looks like you are lynching scum atm right?
Ace why do you pretend to be stupid enough to not see this?

There are 27 players in this game. It could be all town on this wagon and you wouldn't even know either way.
How do you know DI is town, Rayn?
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austinmcc
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6737 Posts
July 08 2013 19:10 GMT
#1168
On July 09 2013 03:54 Z-BosoN wrote:
I kinda share geripts sentiment that dandel's wagon took off really damn fast in contrast to the other lurkers
If we can't come up with a non-policy lynch, then I'ma hop on with caucasianasian

@austin

No comment on the case I wrote on you?


On July 09 2013 03:09 austinmcc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 08 2013 22:51 Z-BosoN wrote:
On July 08 2013 06:15 austinmcc wrote:
On July 08 2013 06:06 Xatalos wrote:
On July 08 2013 05:56 austinmcc wrote:
On July 08 2013 05:51 Xatalos wrote:
I'll go ahead and vote austinmcc now.

##Vote austinmcc

He's been basically just asking (filler) questions and not scumhunting or showing effort so far. At least he's less lurky than in PTP, but that's not a hard feat, and it's still not even close to how I remember his townie self. Just comparing his town meta to this game (or PTP) makes it feel like he has to be scum or 3rd party etc. I didn't push this stance hard enough in PTP, but I'm not going to repeat the same mistake now - unless he starts appearing townish ASAP.

geript, you still want to lynch WoS or whom?
What is my town meta? More specifically, my town meta in a large game?

Also, do you have interest in the answers to the questions that I have asked, but have not gotten answers to?


Paranoia Mafia. That's the only game where we've played together as town so far, I think.

Actually I suspected you there for some time (role-related stuff) but I didn't think your overall posting was scummy. In fact, I mentioned at several points how townish your posting was, and ultimately I came to the right and simple conclusion that you were indeed town.

I can't say I get any of that same feeling in this game so far though.

What does your last sentence mean?
As far as I can tell, you gave three reasons for thinking I'm scummy.

I'm basically just asking filler questions
I'm not scumhunting/putting in effort
I am not my townie self/I am not playing in accordance with my town meta


My last sentence is in relation to your first reason for thinking I'm scum. If my questions are filler, they don't matter, and I'm not going anywhere with them. However, if you're actually interested in the answers to my questions, then they don't seem like they are filler. If you're not interested in the answers to my questions, I ... I dunno, I think you should be.

As far as meta, go look at any larger game. Especially a larger game where I don't know 1/2 or 2/3 the people. My play in a single medium-size game, where I was blue, and almost got lynched because I was an idiot, doesn't seem like the perfect point of comparison. Or go look at my scum games. I was interested in what exactly you were pulling meta from, seeing as it appears to be a large part of your reason for voting me.

That's it, was just poking at your reasons for voting me.


austin, I don't think you can get away with justifying your play here with a "go look at my town meta in a larger game".
Here's your filter from Liquid City: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=371260&user=austinmcc

You seemed a ton more interested in the game. Here the only part where I felt you interested is when you were defending yourself.

Can you give me something on Alaskaslam? You had some interaction with him, and I'd like to know your opinion on him atm.


As long as I'm posting that, I'll address this.

Go read my filter, or the D1 there. If you remember, marv and others wanted to lynch me, and at some point like 3/4 of the way through D1 I picked up a couple votes with a few others thinking about voting me if I didn't get back and do something.

I came back to the thread with a couple hours to go in D1. Posted a bunch of stuff. Most of it was wrong, but i DID nail scumNode and almost got him lynched before we all swapped off. I actually didn't do much D1 of that game until the last few hours, got called out for it, and got in some decent posting only at the very end of the day.


As far as alakaslam, I'm null/mildly town on him. I get very, very frustrated with people who don't post solid reasoning and rely on general statements like "My read is x because of his filter." In the past, I have found it very scummy when people did not substantiate with specific references to posts/conversations at a granular level. Alakaslam did not do that, and continued to not do that. However, I have also found that there are lots of people who just don't get that granular, and it's not as scummy as my mind tells me it is. Given the way in which he responded, playing the new guy/what do you want from me card SO hard, and how he continued to try and post and eventually DID post something specific about the MZ/rayn exchange he liked, I am not scummy on him. I don't think he should be a focus right now.


This bit of one of your posts on me:
On July 09 2013 03:17 Z-BosoN wrote:
it's very easy and convenient to say: "just look at my meta and you will see that [ . . . ]", because obviously no one is gonna open his earlier games and check on whether that's true or not.

is entirely true. You limited it to scum, but regardless of my alignment, no one is opening my earlier games to check on whether what they're saying is true. You think I'm usually active, looking very townie, etc. I am just pointing out that, within a specific large game that you remember, this exact same thing happened. I posted a bunch at the very end of D1, during N1, and during D2. I got called out on my D1 play, collected some votes and some other people WANTING to push my lynch (marv brought it up a couple times but never voted).

What I am saying, and the reason I mentioned that game, is that you are misremembering exactly what happened in a game/some games. If you go back and actually read the games you remember, you SHOULD see that I am generally not terribly active/leader-y in large games on D1.
Fe fi fo fum.
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
July 08 2013 19:10 GMT
#1169
Xatalos, can you get behind CA?
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
July 08 2013 19:11 GMT
#1170
Or austin
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
July 08 2013 19:13 GMT
#1171
On July 09 2013 04:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:
There is like 15 votes on andel, and only people who are opposing this lynch (i mean, löike really opposing) are me and geript. Both of us are obviously town.

Looks like you are lynching scum atm right?
Ace why do you pretend to be stupid enough to not see this?


It's true that his bandwagon is gaining steam alarmingly fast. He might be town after all based on that. On the other hand, scumteam might have decided to just bus him and be done with it (he's clearly not putting in any effort).

Caucasianasian looks like a complete noob IMO, not necessarily scummy. I'd rather lynch Chezinu atm.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Z-BosoN
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Brazil2590 Posts
July 08 2013 19:13 GMT
#1172
Well I have to go, I'll be back tomorrow. Lynch CA dudes, much better choice.

##vote caucasianasian
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
July 08 2013 19:15 GMT
#1173
I can get behind austinmcc but looks like nobody else can, so it's a fool's errand to try that right now.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
July 08 2013 19:16 GMT
#1174
On July 09 2013 04:13 Z-BosoN wrote:
Well I have to go, I'll be back tomorrow. Lynch CA dudes, much better choice.

##vote caucasianasian


Well that was a... random vote if anything. Explain?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
July 08 2013 19:17 GMT
#1175
Nah, busses, even quick busses, look different.
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
July 08 2013 19:18 GMT
#1176
On July 09 2013 04:17 geript wrote:
Nah, busses, even quick busses, look different.


How so?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Z-BosoN
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Brazil2590 Posts
July 08 2013 19:20 GMT
#1177
On July 09 2013 04:10 austinmcc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 09 2013 03:54 Z-BosoN wrote:
I kinda share geripts sentiment that dandel's wagon took off really damn fast in contrast to the other lurkers
If we can't come up with a non-policy lynch, then I'ma hop on with caucasianasian

@austin

No comment on the case I wrote on you?


Show nested quote +
On July 09 2013 03:09 austinmcc wrote:
On July 08 2013 22:51 Z-BosoN wrote:
On July 08 2013 06:15 austinmcc wrote:
On July 08 2013 06:06 Xatalos wrote:
On July 08 2013 05:56 austinmcc wrote:
On July 08 2013 05:51 Xatalos wrote:
I'll go ahead and vote austinmcc now.

##Vote austinmcc

He's been basically just asking (filler) questions and not scumhunting or showing effort so far. At least he's less lurky than in PTP, but that's not a hard feat, and it's still not even close to how I remember his townie self. Just comparing his town meta to this game (or PTP) makes it feel like he has to be scum or 3rd party etc. I didn't push this stance hard enough in PTP, but I'm not going to repeat the same mistake now - unless he starts appearing townish ASAP.

geript, you still want to lynch WoS or whom?
What is my town meta? More specifically, my town meta in a large game?

Also, do you have interest in the answers to the questions that I have asked, but have not gotten answers to?


Paranoia Mafia. That's the only game where we've played together as town so far, I think.

Actually I suspected you there for some time (role-related stuff) but I didn't think your overall posting was scummy. In fact, I mentioned at several points how townish your posting was, and ultimately I came to the right and simple conclusion that you were indeed town.

I can't say I get any of that same feeling in this game so far though.

What does your last sentence mean?
As far as I can tell, you gave three reasons for thinking I'm scummy.

I'm basically just asking filler questions
I'm not scumhunting/putting in effort
I am not my townie self/I am not playing in accordance with my town meta


My last sentence is in relation to your first reason for thinking I'm scum. If my questions are filler, they don't matter, and I'm not going anywhere with them. However, if you're actually interested in the answers to my questions, then they don't seem like they are filler. If you're not interested in the answers to my questions, I ... I dunno, I think you should be.

As far as meta, go look at any larger game. Especially a larger game where I don't know 1/2 or 2/3 the people. My play in a single medium-size game, where I was blue, and almost got lynched because I was an idiot, doesn't seem like the perfect point of comparison. Or go look at my scum games. I was interested in what exactly you were pulling meta from, seeing as it appears to be a large part of your reason for voting me.

That's it, was just poking at your reasons for voting me.


austin, I don't think you can get away with justifying your play here with a "go look at my town meta in a larger game".
Here's your filter from Liquid City: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=371260&user=austinmcc

You seemed a ton more interested in the game. Here the only part where I felt you interested is when you were defending yourself.

Can you give me something on Alaskaslam? You had some interaction with him, and I'd like to know your opinion on him atm.


As long as I'm posting that, I'll address this.

Go read my filter, or the D1 there. If you remember, marv and others wanted to lynch me, and at some point like 3/4 of the way through D1 I picked up a couple votes with a few others thinking about voting me if I didn't get back and do something.

I came back to the thread with a couple hours to go in D1. Posted a bunch of stuff. Most of it was wrong, but i DID nail scumNode and almost got him lynched before we all swapped off. I actually didn't do much D1 of that game until the last few hours, got called out for it, and got in some decent posting only at the very end of the day.


As far as alakaslam, I'm null/mildly town on him. I get very, very frustrated with people who don't post solid reasoning and rely on general statements like "My read is x because of his filter." In the past, I have found it very scummy when people did not substantiate with specific references to posts/conversations at a granular level. Alakaslam did not do that, and continued to not do that. However, I have also found that there are lots of people who just don't get that granular, and it's not as scummy as my mind tells me it is. Given the way in which he responded, playing the new guy/what do you want from me card SO hard, and how he continued to try and post and eventually DID post something specific about the MZ/rayn exchange he liked, I am not scummy on him. I don't think he should be a focus right now.


This bit of one of your posts on me:
Show nested quote +
On July 09 2013 03:17 Z-BosoN wrote:
it's very easy and convenient to say: "just look at my meta and you will see that [ . . . ]", because obviously no one is gonna open his earlier games and check on whether that's true or not.

is entirely true. You limited it to scum, but regardless of my alignment, no one is opening my earlier games to check on whether what they're saying is true. You think I'm usually active, looking very townie, etc. I am just pointing out that, within a specific large game that you remember, this exact same thing happened. I posted a bunch at the very end of D1, during N1, and during D2. I got called out on my D1 play, collected some votes and some other people WANTING to push my lynch (marv brought it up a couple times but never voted).

What I am saying, and the reason I mentioned that game, is that you are misremembering exactly what happened in a game/some games. If you go back and actually read the games you remember, you SHOULD see that I am generally not terribly active/leader-y in large games on D1.


Ok, last thing before I leave.

I dunno man, you reek of disinterest this game. Even if you haven't yet made long and aggressive posts, the attitude you display here building up to the end of d1 is totally different than from what I recall.

You also make easy posts here, discussing meta, whatever Ace might have meant, and what not, but when it comes to actually trying to find scum, I find your posting here lacking.

I kinda want you dead, but it seems that it's dandel on the plate today, with a small chance of CA.
Vote CA and I might just back off from you. Maybe.
Z-BosoN
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Brazil2590 Posts
July 08 2013 19:20 GMT
#1178
On July 09 2013 04:15 Xatalos wrote:
I can get behind austinmcc but looks like nobody else can, so it's a fool's errand to try that right now.


wait wait, I can totally do austin

Anyone else?
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
July 08 2013 19:21 GMT
#1179
Votecount?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
July 08 2013 19:22 GMT
#1180
On July 09 2013 04:18 Xatalos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 09 2013 04:17 geript wrote:
Nah, busses, even quick busses, look different.


How so?

people try to actually find strong reasons for the person to be scum for town cred or you see an odd switch towards the end of things that ends in a snipe on red. This is just a constant gain. Practically has to be town.
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