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Xatalos
Finland9675 Posts
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BloodyC0bbler
Canada7876 Posts
On June 25 2013 02:49 Xatalos wrote: Okay, I don't see any reason for scum Dandel Ion to post his latest posts. Maybe this is his master plan to gain towncred but I'm willing to believe in Occam's razor and assume he's town for now. his he can be very persuasive post? How is that a "i am town" post? | ||
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Dandel Ion
Austria17960 Posts
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Xatalos
Finland9675 Posts
On June 25 2013 01:34 Zephirdd wrote: or rather, do you think WoS, compared to all the other players, is more or less likely to be scum? Huh? I thought I made it pretty clear that he's my #1 read especially since s0Lstice flipped town and WOS jumped on his wagon without reasoning (except some weird meta-reason which appeared on the thread AFTER his vote.. wth?). He should definitely be the priority to push atm. Other than that, austinmcc isn't looking good. Then there's Kurumi, strongandbig... Silent and reasonably suspicious players. Is that what you asked? | ||
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xxSK8rGUy277xx
300 Posts
On June 25 2013 02:25 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Also, xat. The reason i view sk8s ability use as not townlike is this. He has actively had posts that are heavily heavily anti town. He actively admitted to trolling, and lying about reads. Denying to give his reads when he could have died as it "was people fishing" He then near instantly starts claiming my shot was fake and proceeds to toss suspicion on me for it when he would know his power was responsible for him not dying. Given the fact he openly admitted to wanting to get shot, and has been behaving overall as someone attempting to take a vig bullet, I would put him down as a scum read. Just because he has a self defense power and that he came out and admitted it WELL AFTER a situation while using the role as a reason to call bullshit and clutter the thread even more. Kita and Meapak both need to post more. Still pressuring me. Did someone write an Executioner role that can also day vig? My self defense power does not roleblock you or return your bullet which is why I think you are lying or someone else saved me. Just so everyone knows, I am Sally Sparrow, town aligned, and used my ability during the day. I will be using my ability AGAIN tonight. Dovie'andi se tovya sagain | ||
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Xatalos
Finland9675 Posts
On June 25 2013 02:52 BloodyC0bbler wrote: his he can be very persuasive post? How is that a "i am town" post? Meaning his spontaneous defense of me, leading (in addition to my own response) to Acro running away from his case on me. Maybe it made me biased somehow, but had he acted similarly towards some other player, it would have looked pretty townish as well. At least I know I'm not scum so I can leave out the possibility of scum helping scum. And besides, would scum DI even help his scum mate that openly anyway? No matter how I look at it, it just feels townish. | ||
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Acrofales
Spain18100 Posts
On June 25 2013 02:58 xxSK8rGUy277xx wrote: Still pressuring me. Did someone write an Executioner role that can also day vig? My self defense power does not roleblock you or return your bullet which is why I think you are lying or someone else saved me. Just so everyone knows, I am Sally Sparrow, town aligned, and used my ability during the day. I will be using my ability AGAIN tonight. Dovie'andi se tovya sagain What the hell does wheel of time quotes have to do with your role? If nothing, then why the hell are you being so confusing. | ||
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xxSK8rGUy277xx
300 Posts
On June 25 2013 03:11 Acrofales wrote: What the hell does wheel of time quotes have to do with your role? If nothing, then why the hell are you being so confusing. Nothing at all to you. It may seem confusing but it's a clear message to the writer of my role. | ||
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BloodyC0bbler
Canada7876 Posts
On June 25 2013 02:54 Dandel Ion wrote: So explain your townread on geript. Because he has not done anything I see as anything other than town? The worst bit he has done is his vote while he said he was "gone" However who cares? He voted for someone who was virtually more likely to flip mafia (in my eyes) than a last minute rushed wagon. hes pressured people for reasons that I would, etc.. In short he has done nothing major to make me see him in any light other than town. Could I be wrong? yes, however unless someone knows geripts playstyle 100% they will have to explain how hes magically scum when hes done far more this game to help than he has whenever ive seen him as scum. | ||
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Acrofales
Spain18100 Posts
On June 25 2013 02:42 Xatalos wrote: What... That was really fast. Care to explain how I went from clear scum to townish in a matter of 30min or something? Apparently you read through my previous games. Why did you do that AFTER making your case, not before you met resistance in the form of DI and myself? Sadly it looks like justification to abandon the failed bandwagon... Meaning you appear in a more scummy light based on these recent posts. Also, what exactly about my defense "averted the crisis" (excluding you checking up my posting history)? This is just a very strange chain of events and I want to hear your reasoning. Ugh, I hope I don't have to drop you as well from my townreads.. Because my automatic go-to isn't meta. It's a lot of work and I'm a busy man. Your defense was fine. I didn't actually use much of it, but it didn't seem particularly panicked and explained your thought process a bit better. Combine that with what DI pointed out and me checking up on your meta, I decided you are not really the scummiest guy in the thread. You (probably) just have an unfortunate posting style that makes me raaaage. | ||
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Xatalos
Finland9675 Posts
On June 25 2013 02:25 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Also, xat. The reason i view sk8s ability use as not townlike is this. He has actively had posts that are heavily heavily anti town. He actively admitted to trolling, and lying about reads. Denying to give his reads when he could have died as it "was people fishing" He then near instantly starts claiming my shot was fake and proceeds to toss suspicion on me for it when he would know his power was responsible for him not dying. Given the fact he openly admitted to wanting to get shot, and has been behaving overall as someone attempting to take a vig bullet, I would put him down as a scum read. Just because he has a self defense power and that he came out and admitted it WELL AFTER a situation while using the role as a reason to call bullshit and clutter the thread even more. Kita and Meapak both need to post more. Hmm. I hope this doesn't turn into the same page-burying quarrel as yesterday, but I'm still a bit confused about the whole thing. So... You shoot sk8r, he uses some kind of power to defend, you get the bullet back. Sk8r claims it was a fake shot (wth?), but soon admits he nullified it. It really is a confusing situation, but I don't see why would sk8r lie(?) about that as either alignment. It just doesn't make sense. Even less so if he's scum, since it would come back to bite him sooner or later. And what would he even gain really. I don't get why sk8r would lie about something like that. Even less I understand why he would accuse you without basis..? Well, it's pretty clear now that he *has* that defensive role, but certainly, it doesn't mean he's town yet. On the other hand, Crossfire99 "putting his faith" on sk8r and generally sk8r being very vocal and open speak for him being town. | ||
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BloodyC0bbler
Canada7876 Posts
On June 25 2013 02:58 xxSK8rGUy277xx wrote: Still pressuring me. Did someone write an Executioner role that can also day vig? My self defense power does not roleblock you or return your bullet which is why I think you are lying or someone else saved me. Just so everyone knows, I am Sally Sparrow, town aligned, and used my ability during the day. I will be using my ability AGAIN tonight. Dovie'andi se tovya sagain So let me get this straight? You are a town aligned role that can make shots not work on you (refunded to holder) and can use this role, every half cycle? You can call me a liar, I know what PM I got from the hosts. So far only you have claimed a power that could stop my shot (mafia could clearly be hiding behind this fact and not claiming a block). However, you role use to save yourself is an alignment null. Anyone in your position would try to avoid dying town or mafia. your behaviour is what I find horrifically scummy. The fact you knew you used a role to avoid death, immediately claimed bullshit on my shot well before hosts had even started trying to sort out roles, is baffling. You then after hosts has resolved and I stated what happened were still harping on fake shot and bullshit. You actively have lied, trolled and admitted to these things. | ||
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BloodyC0bbler
Canada7876 Posts
On June 25 2013 03:17 Xatalos wrote: Hmm. I hope this doesn't turn into the same page-burying quarrel as yesterday, but I'm still a bit confused about the whole thing. So... You shoot sk8r, he uses some kind of power to defend, you get the bullet back. Sk8r claims it was a fake shot (wth?), but soon admits he nullified it. It really is a confusing situation, but I don't see why would sk8r lie(?) about that as either alignment. It just doesn't make sense. Even less so if he's scum, since it would come back to bite him sooner or later. And what would he even gain really. I don't get why sk8r would lie about something like that. Even less I understand why he would accuse you without basis..? Well, it's pretty clear now that he *has* that defensive role, but certainly, it doesn't mean he's town yet. On the other hand, Crossfire99 "putting his faith" on sk8r and generally sk8r being very vocal and open speak for him being town. How does xfire saying "i made the role and know why sk8r lived" make sk8r town? All it means is we know sk8r didn't lie about having a self defense role. Or xfire and him are mafia buddies. Xfire is someone who is lurking and actively doing nothing to help win this game. Vocal does not mean you are town. Mafia can fake being vocal just as easily as town does it. | ||
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Dandel Ion
Austria17960 Posts
On June 25 2013 03:15 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Because he has not done anything I see as anything other than town? The worst bit he has done is his vote while he said he was "gone" However who cares? He voted for someone who was virtually more likely to flip mafia (in my eyes) than a last minute rushed wagon. hes pressured people for reasons that I would, etc.. In short he has done nothing major to make me see him in any light other than town. Could I be wrong? yes, however unless someone knows geripts playstyle 100% they will have to explain how hes magically scum when hes done far more this game to help than he has whenever ive seen him as scum. He essentially voted for the no-lynch. Don't sugarcoat that part. | ||
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
On June 25 2013 01:43 Acrofales wrote: Ah goddamn it. DI has got me doubting again. I went through Xata's older games and the whole waffling stuff and using extremely longwinded run-on sentences seems to appear more in his town games than his scum games (at least, I compared British to Dessert, and I vaguely remember the newbie we were in together). Let me put it this way: I can see why he wasn't lynched in Dessert, and it's largely because he is not doing anything dumb like posting waffly crap about how Kurumi is 100% town or 100% scum (like he did in this game). linkys? People, you should really post your past games in your profiles. If not meta-reading is a pain in the ass On June 25 2013 02:42 Xatalos wrote: What... That was really fast. Care to explain how I went from clear scum to townish in a matter of 30min or something? Apparently you read through my previous games. Why did you do that AFTER making your case, not before you met resistance in the form of DI and myself? Sadly it looks like justification to abandon the failed bandwagon... Meaning you appear in a more scummy light based on these recent posts. Also, what exactly about my defense "averted the crisis" (excluding you checking up my posting history)? This is just a very strange chain of events and I want to hear your reasoning. Ugh, I hope I don't have to drop you as well from my townreads.. What bothers me about you Xatalos is this "objective 3rd person" narrative you make. You say stuff like "you are doing X, and this makes appear in a more scummy light" instead of stuff like "you are doing X and I think you are more scummy because of it". It could be interpreted as scum "treading" carefully with his posts and suspicions, i.e "waffly waffles" If I could read your previous town games it may make me feel better/worse about you....but if you do it as town it's a "weird" characteristic of your play :/ I have very little else to say that wasn't said by now in terms of players so I'll just wait for the right guys to do the stuff they need to do (e.g let's see if BC finally posts something that's not about sk8) Speaking of this whole sk8 thing: For fucks sake please post all the shit you need to post and defenses etc in a clear manner and get over with it This goes to both of you. For instance: sk8: Can you tell us in which exact post you realized you could use your ability? I.e prove to us you weren't actually lying with that "BC is faking his shot", and show us which posts prove to us you stopped saying that (if you could....I dunno...SCUMHUNT as well then it'd be appreciated too) BC: So what about sk8 being able to confirm himself as town? What about Xfire not saying anything about it (therefore basically confirming it)? Do you care about that at all? Because if Xfire isn't complaining then it's either true or both Xfire and sk8 are scum. Even if it's the 2nd one...he won't confirm himself as town never, therefore we'll lose our patience at some point and lynch him. If the 2nd one is true, would a scum sk8 lie like that just to gain a little more time, but make it so he and Xfire go down 100%? Also, this goes out to BC and austin (and others maybe): You guy should make a 150% effort in trying to establish yourselves as town. Why? Because you wrote your own roles. If we are not sure you guys are town, we are not sure what your abilities are, and NOBODY can prove anything about them. For instance, if I (as scum) have a super day vig shot, and I use it tomorrow to kill super-townies, then when I claim my role I'll most likely get lynched for it because my role maker will claim "gonzaw scum yo". It works the other way as well, if I DONT do anything weird, still, when I claim my role creator will vouch for me and you guys will know I CANT use a super day vig shot to kill super-townies I have no idea if any of you 2 can use super-anti-town-day-vig shots or not, so if you guys are scummy townies, it'll just create paranoid (and maybe get you lynched I guess). So yeah, you have more responsibility than the rest of us in that aspect... ...I say this because both of you aren't doing a great job at that Speaking of roles: Dear role creator, Did you roll scum before or after creating my role? I think you may have rolled scum BEFORE because this shit is the most anti-town thing ever how the fuck am I supposed to use it? You are supposed to design roles so they are usable by either alignment (I don't even care if it's OP or not, it should be USABLE at least) Currently my role is UNUSABLE as town, so I'm basically a VT now. So thank you for that... ...unless there's a hidden strategy I'm missing, so if the time comes where I have to make a super-pro-town plan just tell me, because I have no idea you can do anything that slightly resembles something pro-town with this role Thank you, Unsatisfied role customer I could even claim my role because idgaf, but well it's night and all so maybe it's a bad idea I just wanted to vent  | ||
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xxSK8rGUy277xx
300 Posts
On June 25 2013 03:19 BloodyC0bbler wrote: So let me get this straight? You are a town aligned role that can make shots not work on you (refunded to holder) and can use this role, every half cycle? You can call me a liar, I know what PM I got from the hosts. So far only you have claimed a power that could stop my shot (mafia could clearly be hiding behind this fact and not claiming a block). However, you role use to save yourself is an alignment null. Anyone in your position would try to avoid dying town or mafia. your behaviour is what I find horrifically scummy. The fact you knew you used a role to avoid death, immediately claimed bullshit on my shot well before hosts had even started trying to sort out roles, is baffling. You then after hosts has resolved and I stated what happened were still harping on fake shot and bullshit. You actively have lied, trolled and admitted to these things. Again, my role does not return a bullet to you which is what confirmed to me that you lied OR that someone else targeted you. Your scum hunting skill is what I find to be horrifically bad. Basically you think because I'm trolling that I am scum. All your other arguments are poor and just based off your tunnelling. | ||
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Dandel Ion
Austria17960 Posts
On June 25 2013 03:30 Dandel Ion wrote: He essentially voted for the no-lynch. Don't sugarcoat that part. he's also consistently on terrible wagons for terrible reasons | ||
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Xatalos
Finland9675 Posts
On June 25 2013 03:16 Acrofales wrote: Because my automatic go-to isn't meta. It's a lot of work and I'm a busy man. Your defense was fine. I didn't actually use much of it, but it didn't seem particularly panicked and explained your thought process a bit better. Combine that with what DI pointed out and me checking up on your meta, I decided you are not really the scummiest guy in the thread. You (probably) just have an unfortunate posting style that makes me raaaage. Haha, well. That chain of posts from you still feels weird, even scummy, but it's nothing worth pursuing atm. On the other hand, you mentioned that you weren't wishy-washy during D1. What do you think about someone (DI?) saying that you had no impact during D1? Not sure if I would go that far, but I don't really remember you having much of an impact. Partly explained by you AFKing the most important moments (close to deadline), I guess, but still, I don't think I remember you from anything before that either. Maybe wishy-washy isn't the best word, more like unnoticeable? That makes me worry a bit. | ||
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BloodyC0bbler
Canada7876 Posts
On June 25 2013 03:30 Dandel Ion wrote: He essentially voted for the no-lynch. Don't sugarcoat that part. So? No lynches aren't bad if the person you try to lynch is town. To be honest based purely on flips, gonza and xat look the single worst in the thread (more or less) for being the ones to push a lynch on someone who has flipped town. or how about kita whos entire list of suspects in this game has followed thread sentiment? as well as attempting to draw at least 2 role uses towards himself. | ||
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
You argue with Dandel but that dude wears a dress So focused on skater that you don't look around But if skate's being truthful then you've not made a sound Ugh, poem/lyric posts not nearly as easy as they look. But, if interested, could you respond to a couple questions? If BC's shot went through yesterday, and skater flipped scum, would that seriously implicate anyone else as scum to you? Same thing for shot going through and him flipping town. I see a lot of talk about skater himself, why you think he's lying or why you're worried about his lovetaps, but it doesn't really go anywhere. Even if it's in fun cryptic messages, care to comment about non-skaters? As far as my gifts are concerned, they aren't always necessarily happy but tonight's was. Would be no fun if I made a role bringing only happy or sad gifts. Then, just for posterity in case I get got, this is probably nothing but was an interesting bit of your filter: On June 24 2013 05:31 Kurumi wrote: I am voting the guy I believe is scum the most. Acro is sleeping, left both his votes on the guy he believes is scum the most. Sk8ter is scum. Acro left thread a couple hours earlier after posting: On June 24 2013 02:47 Acrofales wrote: STUFF BUT ALSO He doesn't say he's sleeping. It was early afternoon in Brazil so you can't just assume that based on timezone. He had announced his doublevote, but it kind of just sat there and nobody freaked out about it or commented much on it. The post that he's sleeping and casual "both his votes" makes me worried. I'd really like answers to skater questions, or just...more cryptic posts. Something to go on that isn't arguing with DI or talking about skater.And, because I am heading out, I am putting my secret vote on him as well. Yes, I have a secret vote. And no, I see no point in keeping that secret. | ||
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