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Onegu
United States9699 Posts
On November 09 2013 01:20 Sn0_Man wrote: Cuz they don't get more info. But they DO get less targets. And they deny themselves the chance to cut town's blue roles down almost instantly. Its getting cutdown anyway with the NK. And a random shot just doesnt make sense imo. | ||
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Umasi
United States1399 Posts
baby steps. afk for class | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31495 Posts
On November 09 2013 01:20 Sn0_Man wrote: Cuz they don't get more info. But they DO get less targets. And they deny themselves the chance to cut town's blue roles down almost instantly. Blue roles are already cut down to 2 after a mislynch. They have ZERO reason to shoot since an extra kill wouldn't cut them down any further (maybe? too lazy to find that chart right now, i could be wrong), but even more so, ZERO reason to shoot because as the game goes on town have less options aside from really obvious townies as to who to vote for for witchcraft, otherwise their votes go to scum---it's win-win for them. Even if my logic is bad here and there is some good reason for scum to shoot, the below is why I absolutely believe that there is no way OO was shot by bluevig. KISS rule always always fucking applies. Which is a more simple case here Sn0? That scum shot OO with a bluevig and KP went into either vet or JK protect? Or simply no shot and KP on a guy who wasn't likely to be protected or voted into having power? | ||
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Onegu
United States9699 Posts
On November 09 2013 01:25 WaveofShadow wrote: Blue roles are already cut down to 2 after a mislynch. They have ZERO reason to shoot since an extra kill wouldn't cut them down any further (maybe? too lazy to find that chart right now, i could be wrong), but even more so, ZERO reason to shoot because as the game goes on town have less options aside from really obvious townies as to who to vote for for witchcraft, otherwise their votes go to scum---it's win-win for them. Even if my logic is bad here and there is some good reason for scum to shoot, the below is why I absolutely believe that there is no way OO was shot by bluevig. KISS rule always always fucking applies. Which is a more simple case here Sn0? That scum shot OO with a bluevig and KP went into either vet or JK protect? Or simply no shot and KP on a guy who wasn't likely to be protected or voted into having power? No your logic is good and I agree with you 100% | ||
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Hopeless1der
United States5836 Posts
On November 09 2013 01:20 Onegu wrote: Hopeless what is your take on hzflank/koshi? 'confirmed' town for giving away his witchcraft votes. I'd do the same, but them I'd be scum trying to seek free towncred. @WoS OO seems to have done the most work on the Day1 votecount analysis. I think it happened too quickly to make anything meaningful out of it, but I could see that as a driving factor in the choice of NK, simply because he gave something for people to ponder over. Given that me and Koshi are 2 of his primary 3, my current theory is scum wanted to WIFOM us into mislynching the "apprehensive" gumshoe voters. I specifically say mislynch because I think koshi is town and obviously think (know) I am town. Sn0 can die in a fire though. A lot of my other thoughts are town reads and I dont want to explain them unless people insist/are willing to lynch me if I dont. Silver bullet mechanics make that stuff even more detrimental to town. | ||
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Koshi
Belgium38799 Posts
Question to you: Did you feel like hzflank was invested in this game? Regardless of alignment. | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31495 Posts
On November 09 2013 01:24 Umasi wrote: regarding cephiro, he sure as shit is more likely to be lynched than vanesco. I will be able to change my vote before the lynch, so I'll do that in some number of hours if it is required of me. baby steps. afk for class Umasi, is it safe to assume you don't give a shit about this game at all? Or at the very least about town winning? Because instead of actually putting your thoughts and voting somewhere useful, you repeatedly head outside of relevant targets and topics, and throw random shit out there to no effect. ##Unvote ##Vote: Umasi Fuck it I am not voting for Onegu---I hate the way he's been playing btu I absolutely cannot believe he is scum here. If I continue to vote him I am knowingly causing us to lose the game by lynching a town player for playing badly. | ||
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Sn0_Man
Tebellong44238 Posts
On November 09 2013 01:24 Umasi wrote: regarding cephiro, he sure as shit is more likely to be lynched than vanesco. I will be able to change my vote before the lynch, so I'll do that in some number of hours if it is required of me. baby steps. afk for class I'd lynch vanesco before ceph atm. | ||
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Vanesco
United States105 Posts
I also don't like how Umasi just comes out of nowhere after being on my case for the whole game and then just suddenly backing off without any reason why. He then proceeds to vote without anything other than thinking that cephiro is a possible lynch. Like wtf. Umasi explain your actions since nothing is making sense. Sno keeps on talking about how he thinks OO died and is really wanting to make others think that it is a silver bullet (when we are not sure). To me it seems most likely that sno is saying this because if OO was killed by a silver bullet, it puts less suspicion on him, but if OO was a nightkill than there seems to be more suspicion on sno. I've also disliked that sno at one point wanted the votes on the blue to come out. At the moment I am comfortable with lynching Umasi or sno. | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31495 Posts
On November 09 2013 01:27 Hopeless1der wrote: 'confirmed' town for giving away his witchcraft votes. I'd do the same, but them I'd be scum trying to seek free towncred. @WoS OO seems to have done the most work on the Day1 votecount analysis. I think it happened too quickly to make anything meaningful out of it, but I could see that as a driving factor in the choice of NK, simply because he gave something for people to ponder over. Given that me and Koshi are 2 of his primary 3, my current theory is scum wanted to WIFOM us into mislynching the "apprehensive" gumshoe voters. I specifically say mislynch because I think koshi is town and obviously think (know) I am town. Sn0 can die in a fire though. A lot of my other thoughts are town reads and I dont want to explain them unless people insist/are willing to lynch me if I dont. Silver bullet mechanics make that stuff even more detrimental to town. Ugh. Not what I wanted but I'll take it. I don't follow the 'confirmed town' shit though. You don't think it's likely or even possible that Koshi just picked some names out of a hat for towncred? Delving even deeper, why would hzflank pick those specific people to bluevote? | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31495 Posts
On November 09 2013 01:30 Vanesco wrote: Ok so has nobody noticed that although Onegu says he is voting on rayn but puts his vote instead on koshi? (apart from maybe WoS). Onegu, not giving reasons for your vote just seems like your trying to put your vote on someone and hoping that others agree with you. I want to hear more of why you voted for you who voted (and maybe switch your vote cause from your post it looks like you want to vote rayn instead of koshi). I also don't like how Umasi just comes out of nowhere after being on my case for the whole game and then just suddenly backing off without any reason why. He then proceeds to vote without anything other than thinking that cephiro is a possible lynch. Like wtf. Umasi explain your actions since nothing is making sense. Sno keeps on talking about how he thinks OO died and is really wanting to make others think that it is a silver bullet (when we are not sure). To me it seems most likely that sno is saying this because if OO was killed by a silver bullet, it puts less suspicion on him, but if OO was a nightkill than there seems to be more suspicion on sno. I've also disliked that sno at one point wanted the votes on the blue to come out. At the moment I am comfortable with lynching Umasi or sno. A man after my own heart. thrawn, where you at bro? This thread is finally going places. Rayn, thoughts on recent conversation? | ||
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Onegu
United States9699 Posts
On November 09 2013 01:28 Koshi wrote: Onegu, I am not scum m8. Question to you: Did you feel like hzflank was invested in this game? Regardless of alignment. Yes he was at the start, maybe my getting angry at him made him lose intrest. But at the start I do believe he was. | ||
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Sn0_Man
Tebellong44238 Posts
I can accept that it didn't happen but I'm not going to just "believe" it. You know, deciphering whether OO was blue shouldn't be that goddamn hard for town. just "I voted OO' or "I didn't vote OO" doesn't tell scum enough for them to shoot IMO. Whatever. Its too late for this to be relevant I suppose. WoS u got any reasons for Umasi to be scum? This is just like his other badtown games :/ | ||
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Sn0_Man
Tebellong44238 Posts
 WoS/Vanesco/Onegu/Hopeless play townier. | ||
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Onegu
United States9699 Posts
On November 07 2013 18:49 Onegu wrote: Because Im 85~% sure they are both scum and want to get rid of the dangerous one first. Much earlier in the day when talking with thrawn about rayn and hz before he was replaced. So dont even say I am just randomly throwing my vote on people, I have called hz scum since day 1. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
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Vanesco
United States105 Posts
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Hopeless1der
United States5836 Posts
On November 09 2013 01:30 WaveofShadow wrote: Ugh. Not what I wanted but I'll take it. I don't follow the 'confirmed town' shit though. You don't think it's likely or even possible that Koshi just picked some names out of a hat for towncred? Delving even deeper, why would hzflank pick those specific people to bluevote? Its certainly possible that he invented a list, I did consider that. On November 08 2013 20:51 Koshi wrote: rayn, Cephiro, Snowman = hz votes for witchcraft D1. Rayn kind of makes sense. Ceph makes sense as a connection to Syl: On November 06 2013 06:45 hzflank wrote: I already explained it. Sylencia posted a several paragraph's about Cephiro's take on WoS. The entire point of what Syl posted can only possibly of existed if Syl thought that Ceph was scum, because Syl thought that it was an intentional tunnel upon entry to the game (only scum do that). Therefore, in Syl's mind Ceph must of been scum. Syl never played as if he thought that Ceph was scum, therefore what Syl wrote about Ceph was fake. Also, perhaps he just donates town-points for excessive effort (i.e. Ceph's great-wall post) Sn0 is kind of out of left field. He never commented on Sn0 much after his case, other than to say he was trying to elicit a response and get some dialogue going. It's not unbelievable that he had Sn0 as a townread. | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31495 Posts
On November 09 2013 01:34 Sn0_Man wrote: how come everybody's scum this game? WoS/Vanesco/Onegu/Hopeless play townier. LOL. I fucking dare you and Rayn to vote for me today. May as well just claim scum or some shit if you do as I have no idea how anybody in this game could find me scummy, let alone the SCUMMIEST person in the thread. Now as far as umasi goes, can you show me an example of other 'badtown' games where he performs as he has here? The difference between him and Onegu is while they are both wtf-worthy, I can understand Onegu's thought process while I have no idea what is going on through Umasi's head. Rayn explain why you think Cephiro is a good lynch today aside from 'active D1, fucked off D2.' I don't take iffy activity around the gumshoe lynch as relevant because you and at least a couple other people are just as relevant for that reason. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
How on earth can you think he is better lynch than Onegu. Fucking look at his filter?!?!?!? The dude makes a "yolo these guys locked scum here is reasoning because this other guy is scum but this guy more dangerous but i donät really know why this other dude is scum after all but tyeah these both guys scum and this guy maybe litte bit better than that guy was but yeah he postd scummy word yes 100% lock in lynch go vote yes nocomment on anyone else peace vote rayn no maybe koshi". WTF WOS? | ||
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