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On December 02 2013 16:33 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2013 16:26 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:uh no missed that sorry. I really don't know what you're accusing me of. Let's clear this up once and for all: I first provided a green read on VE AFTER rayn asked me. My reasoning was the same then as it was now: I've seen his play and know what it looks like. I came out in defense of him so hard because I know what an easy mislynch he is. He was mislynched in the last game I played and I've mislynched him before. He's an easy target for scum to jump on and I wanted to put a halt to any possible wagon that might start. onto gtrsrs... idk how it's fake, my case is like literally the second one made this game, I have no idea how it's "fake." I pointed out behavior I thought was scummy and how gtrsrs has not been playing with a town mindset. OK, I can leave the town VE read alone. I suppose everyone has their own special reads (e.g. Rayn with OdinofPergo). I don't like how you have gone about gtrsrs. My read on him aside (1) You made a case on a guy calling him out for flying under the radar -- yet you noticed him someone has to? I don't see how this is a problem. Are you saying we're both scum and I'm bussing? The point of scum hunting is to search out and find scum. Scum don't just magically lynch themselves, they have to be found first(2) Instead of probing to ascertain his alignment, you lead with a vote. With his amount of content I dont see how anyone could have such a strong read on him. What differentiates him from all the other trolls? a) votes are the best way to gain information b) he's different because he's trying to look like he cares while at the same time trying to hide. c) Besides, it's the beginning of the game so I vote off of the information I have available to me. My vote isn't set in stone, it simply lies where I feel it is most appropriate at the moment(3) You aren't going out of your way to adapt your message to communicate it. i.e. you put out a case and are happy to talk about other issues (in fairness you are being called out) but still. this reads like feigned contribution to me. Somehow VE became a much bigger issue so I've kinda been dealing with that. Also gtrsrs hasn't been back in the thread so there's not much I can do until he responds to what I have to say(4) In Sicilian you were an unpleasant troll -- but town. Why can't gtrsrs fit this mould? lol... was waiting for someone to point out I was an ass in Sicilian... I don't even remember why I trolled Sicilian, the point is I don't think gtrsrs is trolling, he just has anti town objectives.
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On December 02 2013 16:41 Kenpachi wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2013 16:30 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 02 2013 16:19 Kenpachi wrote:On December 02 2013 16:18 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 02 2013 16:12 Kenpachi wrote:On December 02 2013 16:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 02 2013 16:06 Oatsmaster wrote:
WHY DOESNT ANYONE WANT TO TALK TO ME. The following people are town: raynpelikoneet, supersoft, geript, OdinOfPergo, Storrzerg, sandroba, gtrsrs, Oatsmaster, justanothertownie, VisceraEyes, Mocsta. You obviously disagree with geript but i do not think there is much to talk about it because i can just say "i don't think he is faking it". What about others? Personally, I think you're blindsided for considering so many people town this early on. So I find it hard to take all of your claims seriously. what are you trying to accomplish by holding hands with everybody I am holding hands only with people i think are town. Which of those reads you disagree on? all of them. what the hell? you're avoiding the question I think i have explained the reads on Oats, Odin, VE, gtrsrs and supersoft. Sandroba had a really pro-town end of N0. Mocsta is being reasonable and has good thoughts and questions for people. geript is a meta-read and started scumhunting asap on N0 and noticed jay's terribad post. Had really good posts overall. JAT is being reasonable and wants to work together regarding plans and calls out people for their bad posts. StorrZerg the same. I don't see your point. N0 in PYP's it's more beneficial to find townies than to find scum because you should put townies in top of draft order to ensure good roles are picked by town. Therefore i have way more townreads than scumreads, i have been townhunting more than scumhunting. Am i not allowed to have 10 townreads in a game where there is like 25 townies? If you disagree with them why don't you tell me where i am wrong or question me about the reads? Why just say "you can't do this". In last PYP i found 6 townies in the first 24h. So no, it's not unreasonable at all to have 10 townreads in my opinion. haha fuck I have to agree bitterly cause its rather right but I don't want to agree with it, cause I feel like a total idiot tbh. And being damned, I'd have to submit to your method for now. My day 1 is by far the weakest part of my game anyways so I cant criticize you for having a plan when honestly, I'm going to be sitting here considering everyone null. But I would say its hard to call everyone in that group town based on the statistics/intuition.
We'll see about that post-game (i mean how right i was). 
Whatcha think of MZ's meta-read on VE based on D0?
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fuck im going to cry myself to sleep. its almost 3am here anyways
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I wasn't in this game, what am I looking at here?
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On December 02 2013 16:41 Kenpachi wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2013 16:30 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 02 2013 16:19 Kenpachi wrote:On December 02 2013 16:18 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 02 2013 16:12 Kenpachi wrote:On December 02 2013 16:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 02 2013 16:06 Oatsmaster wrote:
WHY DOESNT ANYONE WANT TO TALK TO ME. The following people are town: raynpelikoneet, supersoft, geript, OdinOfPergo, Storrzerg, sandroba, gtrsrs, Oatsmaster, justanothertownie, VisceraEyes, Mocsta. You obviously disagree with geript but i do not think there is much to talk about it because i can just say "i don't think he is faking it". What about others? Personally, I think you're blindsided for considering so many people town this early on. So I find it hard to take all of your claims seriously. what are you trying to accomplish by holding hands with everybody I am holding hands only with people i think are town. Which of those reads you disagree on? all of them. what the hell? you're avoiding the question I think i have explained the reads on Oats, Odin, VE, gtrsrs and supersoft. Sandroba had a really pro-town end of N0. Mocsta is being reasonable and has good thoughts and questions for people. geript is a meta-read and started scumhunting asap on N0 and noticed jay's terribad post. Had really good posts overall. JAT is being reasonable and wants to work together regarding plans and calls out people for their bad posts. StorrZerg the same. I don't see your point. N0 in PYP's it's more beneficial to find townies than to find scum because you should put townies in top of draft order to ensure good roles are picked by town. Therefore i have way more townreads than scumreads, i have been townhunting more than scumhunting. Am i not allowed to have 10 townreads in a game where there is like 25 townies? If you disagree with them why don't you tell me where i am wrong or question me about the reads? Why just say "you can't do this". In last PYP i found 6 townies in the first 24h. So no, it's not unreasonable at all to have 10 townreads in my opinion. haha fuck I have to agree bitterly cause its rather right but I don't want to agree with it, cause I feel like a total idiot tbh. And being damned, I'd have to submit to your method for now. My day 1 is by far the weakest part of my game anyways so I cant criticize you for having a plan when honestly, I'm going to be sitting here considering everyone null. But I would say its hard to call everyone in that group town based on the statistics/intuition. Pick Me !!
Pick Me !!
Ken (can I call you that?)
Out of that list of 10; is Rayn was wrong about anyone; who do you think *could* be the most likely.
I guess in other words; when you say null; do you mean I have zero opinion or anyone, or there is not enough information to have a firm opinion?
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I still fail to see how anything gtrsrs has done serves "anti-town agenda". I don't think he is working with any agenda at all, which points towards town. MZ why are you not calling me scum because i said i will pick a KP-role and shoot Oats until he dies?
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The meta read of how VE goes bonkers as town?
Null cause he can go bonkers as mafia with the right stimulation
I can't refer you to the exact game but I'm still butthurt about losing to his double bus spam with toadesstern years ago.
And I guess he hasnt changed much either :p
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On December 02 2013 16:44 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:I wasn't in this game, what am I looking at here?
It's the last PYP game, where VE was scum. How does his filter differ from this game?
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Roffles
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On December 02 2013 16:23 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2013 16:18 Roffles wrote:On December 02 2013 16:02 Mocsta wrote:On December 02 2013 15:58 Roffles wrote:On December 02 2013 15:56 Oatsmaster wrote:
Gtrsrs just didnt really post anything after day 1. I think its far more likely for scum to do that because they dont see anything instantly to contribute, he just bitched about not getting khazix If he's scum, what's to gain from posting really dumb shit instead of just staying quiet like half the players? Sir RofflesDo you have an opinion on someone <other> than gtrsrs? Jaybrundage screams red. Just complete wishwash nonsense from him. Inactivity for a while after trying to "unsuccessfully" instigate plans he never had any intentions of carrying out. Think MZ's red too. Don't have previous experience for me to draw information off, but his play seems super hostile for no apparent reason, especially when someone briefly mentions his name in passing as "could be scum". Doesn't make any sense to me why anyone would be so super defensive so quick. With gtrsrs you gave some insight into why you think his motives were townie. With Jay + MZ can you have detailed some actions you find odd/scummy. Can you please walk me through why the motives are pushing a scum agenda.
As I've said before with Jay, I just find his overall posting mannerisms not fitting to that of a townie. Everything is "What do you think" instead of stating as a matter of fact. Yes, you can probably chalk it up to poor play, but it's also what scum does (they like to stir shit up). Throw in the fact that in the middle of being accused, he attempts to throw in random tangent posts to potentially deflect stuff off him.
He then goes on and accuses marv for probably the most ridiculous reason of all (I've seen him play a good mafia, so we should kill him). Can you chalk that up to being bad? Because he does have games played before. Add on top of that some timely no posting (He's been pretty active last couple of days) that coincides with the release of roles, and to me you have someone that has a good chance of either being bad town or red.
As for MZ, I just think he's red cause of how he was super aggressive/borderline hostile when his initial propositions against gtrsrs and geript turned back onto him. I just think he's trying to get gtrsrs lynched for being a bad townie player, buying scum an extra day. Fairly simple, I think gtrsrs is green and MZ's just trying to use him as lynch bait because gtrsrs's play has legit been pretty awful and borderline scummy, which is perfect for him to hide behind if he gets the traction and support of many.
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On December 02 2013 16:46 Roffles wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2013 16:23 Mocsta wrote:On December 02 2013 16:18 Roffles wrote:On December 02 2013 16:02 Mocsta wrote:On December 02 2013 15:58 Roffles wrote:On December 02 2013 15:56 Oatsmaster wrote:
Gtrsrs just didnt really post anything after day 1. I think its far more likely for scum to do that because they dont see anything instantly to contribute, he just bitched about not getting khazix If he's scum, what's to gain from posting really dumb shit instead of just staying quiet like half the players? Sir RofflesDo you have an opinion on someone <other> than gtrsrs? Jaybrundage screams red. Just complete wishwash nonsense from him. Inactivity for a while after trying to "unsuccessfully" instigate plans he never had any intentions of carrying out. Think MZ's red too. Don't have previous experience for me to draw information off, but his play seems super hostile for no apparent reason, especially when someone briefly mentions his name in passing as "could be scum". Doesn't make any sense to me why anyone would be so super defensive so quick. With gtrsrs you gave some insight into why you think his motives were townie. With Jay + MZ can you have detailed some actions you find odd/scummy. Can you please walk me through why the motives are pushing a scum agenda. As I've said before with Jay, I just find his overall posting mannerisms not fitting to that of a townie. Everything is "What do you think" instead of stating as a matter of fact. Yes, you can probably chalk it up to poor play, but it's also what scum does (they like to stir shit up). Throw in the fact that in the middle of being accused, he attempts to throw in random tangent posts to potentially deflect stuff off him. He then goes on and accuses marv for probably the most ridiculous reason of all (I've seen him play a good mafia, so we should kill him). Can you chalk that up to being bad? Because he does have games played before. Add on top of that some timely no posting (He's been pretty active last couple of days) that coincides with the release of roles, and to me you have someone that has a good chance of either being bad town or red. As for MZ, I just think he's red cause of how he was super aggressive/borderline hostile when his initial propositions against gtrsrs and geript turned back onto him. I just think he's trying to get gtrsrs lynched for being a bad townie player, buying scum an extra day. Fairly simple, I think gtrsrs is green and MZ's just trying to use him as lynch bait because gtrsrs's play has legit been pretty awful and borderline scummy, which is perfect for him to hide behind if he gets the traction and support of many.
What makes the difference between bad town and scum? You think gtrsrs is bad town but jay is scum. Whats the difference?
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On December 02 2013 16:45 Kenpachi wrote:
The meta read of how VE goes bonkers as town?
Null cause he can go bonkers as mafia with the right stimulation
I can't refer you to the exact game but I'm still butthurt about losing to his double bus spam with toadesstern years ago.
And I guess he hasnt changed much either :p
That's basically my point. I do not think VE did anything alignment indicative on D0, just trolled around. I was trying to provoke him into doing stuff by calling him scum and initially voting for him when D1 started. After that i got the reaction i looked from town!VE.
Right after i voted for VE (all the info there was was from D0) MZ chimed in and said "you are dead wrong on VE". If that is not a town read idk what to say. My point is it's impossible to have a town read on VE based on his posting from D0 unless you know his alignment.
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On December 02 2013 16:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I still fail to see how anything gtrsrs has done serves "anti-town agenda". I don't think he is working with any agenda at all, which points towards town. MZ why are you not calling me scum because i said i will pick a KP-role and shoot Oats until he dies?
It was his post about the quality of the thread that really set me off since it was such bullshit and he then proceeded to post more bullshit. Scum love threads where there is a lot of bullshit and that's what he was contributing to.
As to your second point, I have a town read on you, I haven't paid too much attention to oats but if you have kp and decide to shoot him I'd appreciate we discuss it first.
Actually I have no idea what your second point is about. If you're asking me as to why I don't have a meta read on you it's because I haven't played with you as much/I don't remember you very much from previous games.
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On December 02 2013 16:42 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On December 02 2013 16:33 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2013 16:26 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:uh no missed that sorry. I really don't know what you're accusing me of. Let's clear this up once and for all: I first provided a green read on VE AFTER rayn asked me. My reasoning was the same then as it was now: I've seen his play and know what it looks like. I came out in defense of him so hard because I know what an easy mislynch he is. He was mislynched in the last game I played and I've mislynched him before. He's an easy target for scum to jump on and I wanted to put a halt to any possible wagon that might start. onto gtrsrs... idk how it's fake, my case is like literally the second one made this game, I have no idea how it's "fake." I pointed out behavior I thought was scummy and how gtrsrs has not been playing with a town mindset. OK, I can leave the town VE read alone. I suppose everyone has their own special reads (e.g. Rayn with OdinofPergo). I don't like how you have gone about gtrsrs. My read on him aside (1) You made a case on a guy calling him out for flying under the radar -- yet you noticed him someone has to? I don't see how this is a problem. Are you saying we're both scum and I'm bussing? The point of scum hunting is to search out and find scum. Scum don't just magically lynch themselves, they have to be found first I am pointing out the irony of your case. If he is fulfilling a scum objective to blend in, he would not have stood out to you.
(2) Instead of probing to ascertain his alignment, you lead with a vote. With his amount of content I dont see how anyone could have such a strong read on him. What differentiates him from all the other trolls?
a) votes are the best way to gain information b) he's different because he's trying to look like he cares while at the same time trying to hide. c) Besides, it's the beginning of the game so I vote off of the information I have available to me. My vote isn't set in stone, it simply lies where I feel it is most appropriate at the moment So are you voting him for information, or because you think he is scum?
Like, in your case you originally point out LSB.
Why not probe LSB further instead of going for the easy path forward with gtrsrs?
(3) You aren't going out of your way to adapt your message to communicate it.
i.e. you put out a case and are happy to talk about other issues (in fairness you are being called out) but still. this reads like feigned contribution to me.
Somehow VE became a much bigger issue so I've kinda been dealing with that. Also gtrsrs hasn't been back in the thread so there's not much I can do until he responds to what I have to say This is acceptable.
(4) In Sicilian you were an unpleasant troll -- but town. Why can't gtrsrs fit this mould?
lol... was waiting for someone to point out I was an ass in Sicilian... I don't even remember why I trolled Sicilian, the point is I don't think gtrsrs is trolling, he just has anti town objectives. And what again is his specific objective that he is pushing? As far as I could see , he is self-centered. Which yes could be scum.. but as has been proved by game after game of forum mafia, could also be town.
I cant follow how you jump to this conclusion.
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On December 02 2013 16:49 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2013 16:45 Kenpachi wrote:
The meta read of how VE goes bonkers as town?
Null cause he can go bonkers as mafia with the right stimulation
I can't refer you to the exact game but I'm still butthurt about losing to his double bus spam with toadesstern years ago.
And I guess he hasnt changed much either :p That's basically my point. I do not think VE did anything alignment indicative on D0, just trolled around. I was trying to provoke him into doing stuff by calling him scum and initially voting for him when D1 started. After that i got the reaction i looked from town!VE. Right after i voted for VE (all the info there was was from D0) MZ chimed in and said "you are dead wrong on VE". If that is not a town read idk what to say. My point is it's impossible to have a town read on VE based on his posting from D0 unless you know his alignment.
Ok let me address this since I feel like it's causing the biggest issue right now. Give me a second because it's going to take a couple of filters to describe what I see (it would be so much easier if you could just accept that VE is someone I can read, especially since you agree with me now BECAUSE I yelled at you long enough -_-).
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Roffles
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gtrsrs is bad town because he drew poorly and didn't get what he wanted.
JayBrundage is scum because the accusations are wild and have no basis and in general everything about his posting screams "blame x, y, z" even when confronted himself instead of simply taking the time to explain himself.
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On December 02 2013 16:52 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2013 16:49 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 02 2013 16:45 Kenpachi wrote:
The meta read of how VE goes bonkers as town?
Null cause he can go bonkers as mafia with the right stimulation
I can't refer you to the exact game but I'm still butthurt about losing to his double bus spam with toadesstern years ago.
And I guess he hasnt changed much either :p That's basically my point. I do not think VE did anything alignment indicative on D0, just trolled around. I was trying to provoke him into doing stuff by calling him scum and initially voting for him when D1 started. After that i got the reaction i looked from town!VE. Right after i voted for VE (all the info there was was from D0) MZ chimed in and said "you are dead wrong on VE". If that is not a town read idk what to say. My point is it's impossible to have a town read on VE based on his posting from D0 unless you know his alignment. Ok let me address this since I feel like it's causing the biggest issue right now. Give me a second because it's going to take a couple of filters to describe what I see (it would be so much easier if you could just accept that VE is someone I can read, especially since you agree with me now BECAUSE I yelled at you long enough -_-).
That's horribly wrong. I think VE is town because of his posting on D1, not because "you yelled at me".
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On December 02 2013 16:44 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2013 16:41 Kenpachi wrote:On December 02 2013 16:30 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 02 2013 16:19 Kenpachi wrote:On December 02 2013 16:18 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 02 2013 16:12 Kenpachi wrote:On December 02 2013 16:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 02 2013 16:06 Oatsmaster wrote:
WHY DOESNT ANYONE WANT TO TALK TO ME. The following people are town: raynpelikoneet, supersoft, geript, OdinOfPergo, Storrzerg, sandroba, gtrsrs, Oatsmaster, justanothertownie, VisceraEyes, Mocsta. You obviously disagree with geript but i do not think there is much to talk about it because i can just say "i don't think he is faking it". What about others? Personally, I think you're blindsided for considering so many people town this early on. So I find it hard to take all of your claims seriously. what are you trying to accomplish by holding hands with everybody I am holding hands only with people i think are town. Which of those reads you disagree on? all of them. what the hell? you're avoiding the question I think i have explained the reads on Oats, Odin, VE, gtrsrs and supersoft. Sandroba had a really pro-town end of N0. Mocsta is being reasonable and has good thoughts and questions for people. geript is a meta-read and started scumhunting asap on N0 and noticed jay's terribad post. Had really good posts overall. JAT is being reasonable and wants to work together regarding plans and calls out people for their bad posts. StorrZerg the same. I don't see your point. N0 in PYP's it's more beneficial to find townies than to find scum because you should put townies in top of draft order to ensure good roles are picked by town. Therefore i have way more townreads than scumreads, i have been townhunting more than scumhunting. Am i not allowed to have 10 townreads in a game where there is like 25 townies? If you disagree with them why don't you tell me where i am wrong or question me about the reads? Why just say "you can't do this". In last PYP i found 6 townies in the first 24h. So no, it's not unreasonable at all to have 10 townreads in my opinion. haha fuck I have to agree bitterly cause its rather right but I don't want to agree with it, cause I feel like a total idiot tbh. And being damned, I'd have to submit to your method for now. My day 1 is by far the weakest part of my game anyways so I cant criticize you for having a plan when honestly, I'm going to be sitting here considering everyone null. But I would say its hard to call everyone in that group town based on the statistics/intuition. Pick Me !! Pick Me !! Ken (can I call you that?) Out of that list of 10; is Rayn was wrong about anyone; who do you think *could* be the most likely. I guess in other words; when you say null; do you mean I have zero opinion or anyone, or there is not enough information to have a firm opinion?
Well like I said my day 1 is really weak.. I can't give a strong opinion on anyone persay, I've personally found myself wrong maybe an abitrary 90% of the time when I call people out day 1. That says something in itself when I'm fairly confident with my targets beyond that :p
I don't like geript however, I don't understand. He doesn't seem all that pro town to me.
and I just mentioned it but VE could be the hardest person to read in the thread sometimes.
Sandroba is also somebody I can't specifically read every game, not cause of anything negative. He's pretty intimidating from my personal experience lol.
Supersoft is the last person I know I've played with before. No read on him though.
But the underlying factor is, he could be wrong on any of them. I was just really uncomfortable with so many people being labeled so early. I haven't looked into anyone specifically cause that's not what I was asking about anyways.
And yeah ken is fine and ken needs sleep
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On December 02 2013 16:53 Roffles wrote:
gtrsrs is bad town because he drew poorly and didn't get what he wanted.
JayBrundage is scum because the accusations are wild and have no basis and in general everything about his posting screams "blame x, y, z" even when confronted himself instead of simply taking the time to explain himself.
What? This doesnt even make sense. How would gtrsrs' response be different if he was scum? Would'nt it be the same?
How does wild accusations and 'blame x, y, x' make Jay scum? Seriously what is this??
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Stop noob claiming kenpachi
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On December 02 2013 16:53 Roffles wrote:
gtrsrs is bad town because he drew poorly and didn't get what he wanted.
JayBrundage is scum because the accusations are wild and have no basis and in general everything about his posting screams "blame x, y, z" even when confronted himself instead of simply taking the time to explain himself.
*is* = strong word.
Are you going to lead with a vote?
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