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layabout
United Kingdom2600 Posts
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Mr. Wiggles
Canada5894 Posts
I was basically going to post something like: RoL:
On January 10 2012 08:29 layabout wrote: Essentially, If he believes his plan is good for town then regardless of whether it is good or bad it is not scummy to suggest the plan. If he believes his plan is bad for town, then it follows that it is scummy. This is a very weak criticism, as RoL will always say that he thought his plan was good for town, especially if he is scum. What you're saying only holds under the assumption he is town, and we can all know he is town, which we obviously don't. Pushing a bad plan doesn't automatically make you scum, but you have to look at the plan, the player, and how they're pushing it. There's also the difference between a bad plan, and an anti-town plan. A bad plan just won't work, an anti-town plan will hurt the town. | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25558 Posts
On January 10 2012 08:55 layabout wrote: do you understand my point? no your point is dumb he will always claim he thought his idea was a good idea. | ||
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Tyrran
France777 Posts
Cwave, while not particulary active, has been pushing cases left and rigth. Within his two page filter, you can find up to 8 scum accusation on 6 different people( Dirkzor , RoL, Erandorr, risk.nuke, Jackal58, MrWiggle). Now, i dont have anything against trying to find scum, but the issue is that while seeming to actively look for scum, Cwave has never actually tried to get someone lynched ! Apart for risk.nuke ( that you accused once in day one, then again in day 2), Cwave never put pressure on anyone, never asked other to investigate further on his town read. Instead, we find post like this : On January 05 2012 23:52 Cwave wrote: For you Palmar & Syllo, who would you pop right now if you had to? On January 06 2012 00:03 Cwave wrote: Posted earlier that i believe that he leans to much towards the Angel/Demon question and tries to steer away from Angels being our only threath. I think that goes without saying so it's just fluff to look like contributing by him. That and the focus on when it becomes night. Got told by Palmar that means nothing but i don't agree with that! Got any cases yourself yet Syllo which are worth sharing? On January 06 2012 20:11 Cwave wrote: Why do you care what he thinks about your scumreads? Since you haven't provided any or anything close to it, you make it hard for someone to care for something that isn't there (yet). Just " Im gonna lynch Wiggles if he doesnt post more" and "Im gonna lynch Errandor if he doesnt post more". However, I still do care about who you think is scum. Who do you think is scum? Notice how he never ask : "what do you think about XXX, but instead remains as vague as possible ?" He his never saying "We should lynch XXX today". Notice the difference between this and MrWiggle pushing for Palmar, Syllo pushing for Erandorr, or even HoD pushing against me. More recently, when he is asked who he thinks we should lynch. On January 10 2012 03:34 Cwave wrote: Day1 started timidly but in the end picked up speed and because of it, we all gained a lot of (spammy)info. Mostely useless but the vote switch at the end and Palmar flipping demon the game really started now. There is more info hidden among the players here as the Sage and Seer have either confirmed/unconfirmed Angels/Demons and the town demon hunter knows if he was succesfull or not and in what way. As for lynching, Dirkzor for now because is either nooby/scummy and votes for me because i question him. Not set in stone as lynching someone on a bad response after a little pressure most of the time flips a townie. Risk.nuke on my list cause of the lynch save last day in the final hour. Very suspicious of Syllo but he has earned some close watching by everyone. in my opinion. More so due to the dance he did with palmar and the vote switch 8 min apart both to the same target after having targeted eachother. Dirkzor is not set in stone. Maybe we should not lynch him despite him being scummy, because he migth flip town. Risk.nuke is on his list, but not for the two reason he attacked him prior to that. Strange for someone who claims to hold an excel file with his thougths Syllo is suspicious, but still is not a lynch target. Notice how he did not answer the question. Also some of his cases have very few content in them. I'm specifically thinking about his case + Show Spoiler [ Case against MrWiggle] + On January 10 2012 00:00 Cwave wrote: Looking into Palmar his filter, he and Wiggles go off on some sort of duet where they distance eachother and vote for eachother. Then they both switch and nothing is said of it and right before Palmar flips, he lists Wiggles as town. Where as before in his filter, nowhere does it come forward that he has really changed his mind or that Wiggles has him convinced that he is town. Seeing as Palmar flipped scum, im thinking MrWiggles might be one of his demonic dancing partners. Palmar attacks MrWiggels after Wiggles makes a "case" against him. So palmar rewards a bad read with a vote. Scummy play and turns out, Palmar was scum. His case on risk nuke just after also is basically void : Ok, so full on action. Then, the 8th of januari happens, last day of the first day. Vote happens @ 7:38 on 8th januari 2012. Then in MrWiggles his filter he attacks palmar right up until the last "day" of day1, namely 7th of januari. 8th of januari, the day of the deadline. He stops with digging into palmar without any reasoning for it in his filter. Vote happens on 8th of januari 2012 at 7:30. In conclusion, these two were giving eachother nothing but hate right up until ~7:30 on the 8th of januari. Looks like a planned and organised move to move the votes of eachother after they created some distance of eachother on day1. Here we have a typical example of someone trying to look helpful by creating a case with no content at all. he makes it look like very serious using precise quotes and stuff, but the content behind it is basically none. MrWiggle switched target because it was obvious palmar wasnt be lynched and he wanted to avoid a no-lynch. That is a pro-town move, why would you call him out on it ? Cwave, you are someone who seems towns, but in reality you did not help much at all until now. While you migth be a timid town, I also think it is likely you are scum player. Please answer this : Is there anyone you really think is scum ? Someone you would be fine pushing for lynch ? Who ? Why ? You seem to spend a lot of time analysing people. Please prove us that you are town by trying to get scummy people lynched. | ||
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Refallen
452 Posts
On January 10 2012 08:57 Blazinghand wrote: Np Mr wiggs. Let's bury this guy. no your point is dumb he will always claim he thought his idea was a good idea. Let's not "bury this guy" because he derped for a post. I think he's one of the most open and active members so far in posting his reads/trying to get people lynched, and I think he's probably town, even if some of his cases are bad. | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25558 Posts
On January 10 2012 09:01 Refallen wrote: Let's not "bury this guy" because he derped for a post. I think he's one of the most open and active members so far in posting his reads/trying to get people lynched, and I think he's probably town, even if some of his cases are bad. ' aDJALSDJLS did you read my case? no. did your ead mr wiggles post? no I'm talking about REBIRTHOFLEGEND READ THE CASE | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25558 Posts
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=298603¤tpage=55 ^--- my case against RoL http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=298603¤tpage=56#1102 ^--- wiggles agreeing with me to go after RoL there u go | ||
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Refallen
452 Posts
... ... I'll still rather want to lynch risk.nuke first today though. What do you think of him blazing? | ||
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Spaackle
United States153 Posts
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Blazinghand
United States25558 Posts
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Refallen
452 Posts
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Blazinghand
United States25558 Posts
On January 10 2012 09:07 Spaackle wrote: @Refallen. He didn't just derp in a post. He made a well thought out plan that would cause a lot of harm to the town if it were implemented. He then defended against the flaws pointed out in his plan and has not done much since. He also hasn't really posted any reads on anyone, just his silly plan. Why are you so eager to defend him? You're underestimated the level of Derp Refallen experienced. He declined to actually read me and Mr. wiggles in a comprehensive fashion and thought we were attacking layabout. | ||
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Spaackle
United States153 Posts
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Refallen
452 Posts
Maybe I'm just tunneling risk though. I just don't want another situation like in XLVIII where we were so close to lynching annul for 3 days and end up vote-switching at the last minute every single time to someone else. | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25558 Posts
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Refallen
452 Posts
On January 10 2012 08:57 Blazinghand wrote: Np Mr wiggs. Let's bury this guy. no your point is dumb he will always claim he thought his idea was a good idea. Blazing, you tell me this post isn't misleading at all? Especially when mr wiggles was ending up talking about layabout at the last part of his post just before yours? And spaackle, what exactly of your point still stands, after it's clear that I'm not defending RoL, but rather layabout? | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25558 Posts
On January 10 2012 09:11 Refallen wrote: Blazing, you tell me this post isn't misleading at all? Especially when mr wiggles was ending up talking about layabout at the last part of his post just before yours? And spaackle, what exactly of your point still stands, after it's clear that I'm not defending RoL, but rather layabout? no you're a moron my vote is on RoL. You're just a moron. | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25558 Posts
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Spaackle
United States153 Posts
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Blazinghand
United States25558 Posts
If you misinterpret this it is only because you want to misinterpret it... or see my previous hypothesis. | ||
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