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SpiegalPwns
United States42 Posts
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jackknight
United States51 Posts
On August 22 2010 17:38 KamuL wrote: he also said he couldnt play tomorrow, and might even have to miss the finals, due to having to play poker to make money. obviously if might miss the finals, its not bullshit. o.o "might" but he wont. rules are rule, but doesn't make it right. | ||
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crazeman
664 Posts
On August 22 2010 17:27 Wolf wrote: Rules are rules. AJ was tired, and he knows he's going to have to live with his choice. Don't bad manner him in this thread, please. It doesn't really lead anywhere to make posts like this. Silver still has a shot at third place. It's a douchy move this probably hurts Ajtls more in the long run. He disconnects more often than anyone, and now most people are probably aren't going to give him the chance to replay when he DCs. | ||
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KamuL
United States154 Posts
iajtls: idk man, i just talked to infernal -_-; iajtls: here iajtls: plus, tomorrow if i disc in the finals, i will concede no matter what -_-; Pat says: so why you give a fuck Nick says: cuz im trying to rebuild my rep -_-; Pat says: dude this is not just a game anymore this is serious business now theres lots of money in it dont you fucking waste money by beeing nice EVER Nick says: i know that Pat says: but tbh rather be a gay winner than a straight winner errmm loser* Pat says: if kolll hadnt given me a regame in WCG when 35 of my units got stuck via bug ok - its a HUGE bug but still if he hadnt given a regame he would probably be the one flying to la now instead of me  Nick says: yeah true Nick says: ok btw you see nada vs tlo? well im tired as fuck anyway i believed i had the advantage, ultimately tanks/maurauders + additional rax/port/fact + oribital cc FE is much better spot than him. viking will come out, and the thor only gets 1 depot. plus i had many more scvs, and mined much more. im too tired -_-;. Pat says: yep o.o | ||
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SilverLeagueElite
United States626 Posts
I didn't see Aj do anything wrong and it's within his right to take the win. If you drop a game, the sportsmanship-like thing to do would be to follow the rules, take the loss and move on. Not to rely on the good grace of your opponent to grant you a re-game. Did Silver not take the win after the 1st game for fear of being perceived as bad mannered? Stream chat seems to reinforce that notion. At least the tourney admins were consistent enforcing their own rules. | ||
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KamuL
United States154 Posts
On August 22 2010 18:14 SilverLeagueElite wrote: I watched the entire stream of Silver vs. Ajtls. Silver should've taken the win after Aj dropped the first game. When Silver gave Aj a re-game, the commentators where praising Silver's good manners. Peoples' preoccupation with manners is sometimes too much. You can't go a week watching a game without someone mentioning manners. I didn't see Aj do anything wrong and it's within his right to take the win. If you drop a game, the sportsmanship-like thing to do would be to follow the rules, take the loss and move on. Not to rely on the good grace of your opponent to grant you a re-game. Did Silver not take the win after the 1st game for fear of being perceived as bad mannered? Stream chat seems to reinforce that notion. At least the tourney admins were consistent enforcing their own rules. qft. also anyone watching the stream could see if ls counter pushed as soon as he dropped, silver would've had no answer for it. so there was no advantage, in fact, silver was probably behind. his expo wasn't up, and he didnt get many scvs, just delayed mining + got depots o.o D: double orbital with mules and much larger army, silver probably lost. | ||
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SpiegalPwns
United States42 Posts
On August 22 2010 18:14 SilverLeagueElite wrote: At least the tourney admins were consistent enforcing their own rules. Except that apparently the tourney rules weren't even clear, though. Really poor tournament from what I can tell. Sorry y'all, not really interested in watching a tournament where casters organizers and players alike fumble, mumble and BM all over each other. Would rather listen to Idra rage about terran imba all day than watch the terrible garbage that went down tonight. Edit: Would like to point out that although there is no rule in the first post about dropping from games, there IS this rule: "* Do not be ill mannered, bad mannered or rude to anyone involved in the tournament. Doing so will result in a disqualification, upon decision of how bad the situation was from the Tournament Admins." HMMMMM | ||
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KamuL
United States154 Posts
he [used] the rules to take the win. and as you can see, anyone looking at the situation fully, can understand and agree with what ajtls chose. xd k well see if he gets back here for the finals D: | ||
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StarcraftMan
Canada507 Posts
Ajtls is complaining that it was getting late, so he decided to take the walk over. But his matches with Silver only got later because Silver allowed Ajtls to replay the match where Ajtls dropped (and Silver was leading that match too). I just hope other tournament organizers bar Ajtls from their tournaments for being such a douchebag in this one. | ||
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SilverLeagueElite
United States626 Posts
On August 22 2010 18:26 SpiegalPwns wrote: Except that apparently the tourney rules weren't even clear, though. Really poor tournament from what I can tell. Sorry y'all, not really interested in watching a tournament where casters organizers and players alike fumble, mumble and BM all over each other. Would rather listen to Idra rage about terran imba all day than watch the terrible garbage that went down tonight. Edit: Would like to point out that although there is no rule in the first post about dropping from games, there IS this rule: "* Do not be ill mannered, bad mannered or rude to anyone involved in the tournament. Doing so will result in a disqualification, upon decision of how bad the situation was from the Tournament Admins." HMMMMM Game 1: Ajtls drops. Silver is given the opportunity to take the win or re-game. He chooses re-game. Game 3: Silver drops. Ajtls is given the opportunity to take the win or re-game. He chooses to take the win. There's no explicit rule about dropping but the admin's judgment on the issue is consistent. The organization and manners of the people involved is irrelevant to the issue at hand. The issue being that Ajtls declined to re-game and in your opinion, being bad mannered. What matters is that Ajtls and Silver were given the same opportunities in similar situations. Not your opinion about someone's manners. | ||
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Telcontar
United Kingdom16710 Posts
anyway, it was a decent tournament but maybe hosting such a large event in 2 days was a little too ambitious. | ||
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G3nXsiS
United States656 Posts
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Voyager I
United States260 Posts
On August 22 2010 18:13 KamuL wrote: chat-log from mTw.iNfernal and ls discussing if what he did was okay, given the situation. iajtls: idk man, i just talked to infernal -_-; iajtls: here iajtls: plus, tomorrow if i disc in the finals, i will concede no matter what -_-; Pat says: so why you give a fuck Nick says: cuz im trying to rebuild my rep -_-; Pat says: dude this is not just a game anymore this is serious business now theres lots of money in it dont you fucking waste money by beeing nice EVER Nick says: i know that Pat says: but tbh rather be a gay winner than a straight winner errmm loser* Pat says: if kolll hadnt given me a regame in WCG when 35 of my units got stuck via bug ok - its a HUGE bug but still if he hadnt given a regame he would probably be the one flying to la now instead of me Nick says: yeah true Nick says: ok btw you see nada vs tlo? well im tired as fuck anyway i believed i had the advantage, ultimately tanks/maurauders + additional rax/port/fact + oribital cc FE is much better spot than him. viking will come out, and the thor only gets 1 depot. plus i had many more scvs, and mined much more. im too tired -_-;. Pat says: yep o.o Really can't respect anyone with that attitude. What a skank. | ||
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Nightmarjoo
United States3360 Posts
On August 22 2010 20:01 G3nXsiS wrote: The brackets were a little confusing to me but who exactly won? I play vs ajtls Sunday night for finals. | ||
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Voyager I
United States260 Posts
On August 22 2010 21:02 Nightmarjoo wrote: I play vs ajtls Sunday night for finals. If he drops, rub the win in his eye. | ||
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HunT_!
United States1 Post
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Alou
United States3748 Posts
On August 22 2010 21:02 Nightmarjoo wrote: I play vs ajtls Sunday night for finals. Kick his ass Lyra! | ||
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Catreina
United States304 Posts
The losers bracket between Silver and Stalife to determine third place can be completed at their discretion, the finals will be cast live. | ||
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Jonoman92
United States9103 Posts
Unless one player has a significant advantage though it should be a re-game no brainer on the first drop. | ||
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Silver~Guy
Canada45 Posts
Look at the 3rd place match between Tarson and Dimaga at the ESL earlier today. 2-1 in Dimaga favour, Tarson drops due to BNET, refs unsure who was winning and players agree to rematch. Why would they do that? "Who wants to stiff someone with a rule to win an important match?" is a better question. In the end, what goes around comes around though and I think players that enter tournaments should be weary of shortcuts to the winner's circle. You never know who's watching you violate the spirit of the game. | ||
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