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On August 29 2010 14:53 JeeJee wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2010 14:52 Pandain wrote:On August 29 2010 14:49 ~OpZ~ wrote:
obvious....listen to me, ignore pandain No but serious the post with the jesus thing was serious. I'm martyr, and those are valid plans. And why shouldn't we protect fishball, opz? I mean, as I've said its very possible he missed the change deadline. What I would like is for someone to see whether he posted on another forum/thread after the draft list changed. That would be helpfull. no it wouldn't shut up you're a waste of post space
No one appreciated my humor? Oh well I guess I'll be all formal :/.
And you haven't been any better JeeJee, as I've noted you're posts have been lacking content severely, contrasting with your play in such games as PYP 1, where while you posted few, they had content and were long. Now your either repeating stuff, irrelevant info, or the such. Nothing really worthwhile.
But here I still stand in hypocrisy. We should talk about who the CV should kill.
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So more has happened in the past couple hours, including Zeks getting lynched and Pandain pardoning him.
Anyways, in this post I'll focus on replying to those posts directed to me earlier during the day as promised.
On August 29 2010 03:10 ~OpZ~ wrote:If you don't mind, Radfield. Sir, I would like your opinion also.
So ~OpZ~, I know you like to say you have been following me for a few games, and you mentioned you cannot trust fellow "vets", but lets just find out how much do you know about my "style", shall we?
On August 29 2010 03:24 Radfield wrote:
Yeah, I'm not 100% sure what you're asking me. Going through 7 games is a bit daunting, especially without the 'All' function. However, I'll certainly take your word that he's posting more than normal.
As far as my opinion on his play this game, he was basically off my radar until your post. I didn't have him down as scummy, nor as pro-town. I had looked through his posts once before, but had mostly skim read them. Looking through his posts again though changes my mind slightly. He has posted content, but also a lot of small one-two liners. His content also mainly consists of talk about the traitor, or other minor theorycrafting/questioning.
His large posts focus on the traitor scenario(laying out options), the CompVig(clarifying why hesmyrr picked CV), a vote on Hesmyrr, another post about the traitor.
He hasn't seriously fingered anyone as scummy, in fact has gone out of his way not to. He also hasn't really contributed anything as far as opinions or specific thoughts.
My read on him is certainly more scummy than before. Enough to recommend investigation, but not yet a lynch.
What are your thoughts?
I generally don't like to pull a player's behavioral history from previous games and use it exclusively as a scum indicator in a current game. I'm not saying ~OpZ~ is exactly doing that, and I should probably rephrase this. I actually use this type of information myself all the time, but just at a slightly more sophisticated level, and not just about a player posting less or more.
Now Radfield, like you said, I'm assuming you just took ~OpZ~ word, that "I posted more in this game", and went through my posts to come to this comment. I understand where you are coming from with limited information, but hear me out.
I started playing since the first TL Mafia, which was more than two and a half years ago. To think that one's "game style" doesn't change over such a period of time, is just plain naive. Now, the first game I played with you was in Three Kingdoms Mafia (which isn't exactly a Mafia game), so you probably won't know my so called "style" just by reading ~OpZ~'s post, so lets try to elaborate on this a bit more using my more recent game history.
In your post above, you said
His large posts focus on the traitor scenario(laying out options), the CompVig(clarifying why hesmyrr picked CV), a vote on Hesmyrr, another post about the traitor.
He hasn't seriously fingered anyone as scummy, in fact has gone out of his way not to. He also hasn't really contributed anything as far as opinions or specific thoughts.
I mainly play the probability game, and try to come in from as many angles as possible, weighing all the options/scenarios to try to come up with the best decision. Unless something is blatantly wrong, I will almost never directly point a finger at anyone.
I usually transform these options/scenarios into multiple questions, and let the players answer them and decide whether to follow suit, whether to agree/disagree with me, and make their own decisions. This way, my thought process is transparent to everyone, and people can see where I am coming from. If everything makes sense, we should always come to the same conclusion. It also promotes different thoughts and ideas when certain choices are weighed very similar to each other.
Some examples I can think of are this game, in Three Kingdoms Mafia, and TL Mafia XVIII which was played 7 months ago. Speaking of TL Mafia XVIII, a game with clues; A player pointed out there were set of clues that matched johnnyspazz's profile, Sonic the hedgehog. To me, it was a 100% match, but the majority of the town ignored it. This is the only time I can recall that I pointed all ten of my fingers at a specific player. It was that bad.
In Micro-MAFIA (The First), a 9 player game; At the beginning I made a speculation (I know this word is hard to understand for certain people) list based on the probability of where/how the roles would land. It was supposed to be taken lightly (I did say I like to look at things from every possible angle right?). However, certain players jumped on my throat, even though I tried explained multiple times. Funny thing is, even to my surprise, the list was right! Lucky? Maybe, but go figure.
In the final win-or-lose moments of that game, I decided to vote for Ace base on this post. This is what I mean by behavioral analysis, and not just "Oh you posted less/more!!". Feel free to read through this game as it is only 20 somewhat pages.
So I'm going to ask you again ~Opz~.
Do you really know my "style"?
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fuck yeah metagames, stuff i suck at. Honestly bad luck zeks, getting that placement and being a center of attention.
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Nice, more drama when I was typing that up.
Yes I am Bullet Bill.
Regarding Zeks saying that "I did not follow the plan", just keep this in mind.
- Ace Changed the draft pick 3 times
- Look at the draft list on page 19 (2nd version).
- Not everyone is exactly free every single day. I try my best to follow. I mean if citizen was able to catch my life shattering mistake on page 50, then this shouldn't be such a shocker, right?
On August 29 2010 14:31 Pandain wrote:
1.Fishball reveal what you found for one. You've already been revealed.
Are you serious? Should I even have to explain this?
I will have no further comments until Ace's posts is up (no matter lynch or no lynch) and more people has spoken up.
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I don't know about your alignment at the end Zeks, but if you are pro-town, then like you said earlier, leaking my role isn't exactly the best interest of town at this point, but what's done is done...
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...Regardless Fishball, you NEVER post when your blue, except your witty satires. You're acting extremely defensive right now, and as many times as I've accused you in the past you just ignore me. Why the sudden interest in seeming pro-town?
You've even picked Bullet Bill way early. Why? We know your role, so who did you look at last night? Have you missed all those posts, in your useless no content post you've just posted, as a way to argue a point you normally wouldn't care about?
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On August 29 2010 15:23 Fishball wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2010 14:31 Pandain wrote:
1.Fishball reveal what you found for one. You've already been revealed.
Are you serious? Should I even have to explain this? I will have no further comments until Ace's posts is up (no matter lynch or no lynch) and more people has spoken up.
I don't understand. I'm sorry, can you just look past my stupidy and please explain?
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On August 29 2010 15:27 ~OpZ~ wrote:
...Regardless Fishball, you NEVER post when your blue, except your witty satires. You're acting extremely defensive right now, and as many times as I've accused you in the past you just ignore me. Why the sudden interest in seeming pro-town?
You've even picked Bullet Bill way early. Why? We know your role, so who did you look at last night? Have you missed all those posts, in your useless no content post you've just posted, as a way to argue a point you normally wouldn't care about?
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- This is Pick Your Power Mafia. What are the chances of getting blue?
- I'm have the 8th pick. What are the chances of getting blue?
- In a regular game of 30+ people, what are the chances of getting blue?
- The last regular game I played was TL Mafia XVIII, 7 months ago.
- Extremely defensive, as in showing you, and Radfield who hardly knows me, the logic behind my thoughts with actual and detailed evidence?
- You want me to find you those old posts in old games, that I told you to "get you facts straight"?
- BB early? Read top post.
- Useless content? Normally I wouldn't care about? What?
So you're basically telling me you didn't read and/or understand anything I said in my long post. Well I'm not surprised...
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On August 29 2010 15:29 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2010 15:23 Fishball wrote:On August 29 2010 14:31 Pandain wrote:
1.Fishball reveal what you found for one. You've already been revealed.
Are you serious? Should I even have to explain this? I will have no further comments until Ace's posts is up (no matter lynch or no lynch) and more people has spoken up. I don't understand. I'm sorry, can you just look past my stupidy and please explain?
No matter what has been said, even Zeks claims he is SK, I'm not taking any chances until Ace confirms.
Also, revealing my check results means Mafia will get it too.
SK aside, Mafia already know who "should" have guns. If I checked someone with guns and is not one of their own, who wold that be? The JOAT.
Things get a lot more complicated from there.
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zeks Serial Killer Role Cop has been lynched!
Night 2
All roles that can act may send in Night actions now. Night 2 ends Sunday 9PM ET/10 KST Sunday August 29th/August30th KST but will be extended to Monday 9PM ET if more time is needed.
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On August 29 2010 15:54 Fishball wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2010 15:29 Pandain wrote:On August 29 2010 15:23 Fishball wrote:On August 29 2010 14:31 Pandain wrote:
1.Fishball reveal what you found for one. You've already been revealed.
Are you serious? Should I even have to explain this? I will have no further comments until Ace's posts is up (no matter lynch or no lynch) and more people has spoken up. I don't understand. I'm sorry, can you just look past my stupidy and please explain? No matter what has been said, even Zeks claims he is SK, I'm not taking any chances until Ace confirms. Also, revealing my check results means Mafia will get it too. SK aside, Mafia already know who "should" have guns. If I checked someone with guns and is not one of their own, who wold that be? The JOAT. Things get a lot more complicated from there.
O i see I forgot about the Joat. He's possibly one of our last investigative roles too :/ .
So kp is now 1? 1 kill a night is really managable n.n
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maybe now i should say hi to you fishball.....
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Not just that.
What if The JOAT is Mafia? The Mafia can use him to blend in, and could potentially sabotage Town plans. Specifics? I don't have in mind, but just a hypothetical theory.
That is why things gets a lot more complicated.
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On August 29 2010 15:54 Fishball wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2010 15:29 Pandain wrote:On August 29 2010 15:23 Fishball wrote:On August 29 2010 14:31 Pandain wrote:
1.Fishball reveal what you found for one. You've already been revealed.
Are you serious? Should I even have to explain this? I will have no further comments until Ace's posts is up (no matter lynch or no lynch) and more people has spoken up. I don't understand. I'm sorry, can you just look past my stupidy and please explain? No matter what has been said, even Zeks claims he is SK, I'm not taking any chances until Ace confirms. Also, revealing my check results means Mafia will get it too. SK aside, Mafia already know who "should" have guns. If I checked someone with guns and is not one of their own, who wold that be? The JOAT. Things get a lot more complicated from there.
i was going to suggest checking our CV/BS maybe but that seems silly, because the only thing it could confirm is that they didnt follow the plan. Cause if they're mafia and passed it down to their buddies, yeah...
it really sucks the sk had to get role cop, At least he actually shared with us, im assuming by his list that means he checked bb? But he only had time for one check and has checked fishball, so is that just his opinion then im assuming?
because i don't believe bb is town at all. Not that it's exactly easy with his 1 every cycle posts apologizing for why hes' NEVER here
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On August 29 2010 16:12 Divinek wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2010 15:54 Fishball wrote:On August 29 2010 15:29 Pandain wrote:On August 29 2010 15:23 Fishball wrote:On August 29 2010 14:31 Pandain wrote:
1.Fishball reveal what you found for one. You've already been revealed.
Are you serious? Should I even have to explain this? I will have no further comments until Ace's posts is up (no matter lynch or no lynch) and more people has spoken up. I don't understand. I'm sorry, can you just look past my stupidy and please explain? No matter what has been said, even Zeks claims he is SK, I'm not taking any chances until Ace confirms. Also, revealing my check results means Mafia will get it too. SK aside, Mafia already know who "should" have guns. If I checked someone with guns and is not one of their own, who wold that be? The JOAT. Things get a lot more complicated from there. i was going to suggest checking our CV/BS maybe but that seems silly, because the only thing it could confirm is that they didnt follow the plan. Cause if they're mafia and passed it down to their buddies, yeah... it really sucks the sk had to get role cop, At least he actually shared with us, im assuming by his list that means he checked bb? But he only had time for one check and has checked fishball, so is that just his opinion then im assuming? because i don't believe bb is town at all. Not that it's exactly easy with his 1 every cycle posts apologizing for why hes' NEVER here
Who the hell are you talking about?
I'm the BB.
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by bb i mean brown bear lol sorry
also pandain why must you lie so much
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Ahhhhh man, I got killed? Weak. =/
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Radfield
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+ Show Spoiler +Damn it. The ALL function is gone. I remember that someone(jeejee maybe?) posted a way to use add-ons or something to get a hack version of the all function. This was posted somewhere else in the Mafia forums. Anyone remember where it is or what it is?
OK, lets move on. We need to cut the spam and discuss our options. We've bought ourselves a ton of time with the SK lynch, but we still need to focus. We have until tonight at 9EST, but can delay that to Monday at 9EST if needed. We need to decide on our night actions, and vote on the CV hit.
Fishball is Bullet Bill(town or mafia). FIshball, since you are out in the open, you might as well declare who you visited last night. If you actually did find someone with a gun, then there is a 3/4 chance that it is a mafia(1 JOAT, 3 Mafia). Or if they didn't have a gun, we have someone who is verified town. Keep in mind that the only people who should have picked JOAT are Opz and JeeJee. So if you checked someone else and they came back positive, then they are likely mafia.
Everyone please keep in mind that while Fishball is almost certainly the Bullet Bill. He is in no way confirmed town. It's very plausable that he took the wrong pick given the draft order moving around, but it's also possible that he is using that as an excuse and took BB to deny it from town.
Importantly, we still have a traitor around. Either Chaoser, LSB, or Southrawrea. I felt pretty certain that zeks was the traitor, but obviously that was not so. My next choice would be LSB. Why?
Mainly because LSB was so sure that zeks was the SK. He stated several times that he 'proved' zeks was the Serial Killer, when in fact he had done no such thing. I thought it far more likely that zeks was the traitor, and had been targeted by the mafia. But LSB never wavered from the idea that zeks was the SK, and really never even gave much of a chance for zeks to be the traitor. Perhaps LSB was just getting caught up in his own argument, or perhaps LSB is the traitor, and did actually KNOW that zeks had to be the SK. Add in that LSB is bragging up a storm about how he 'caught' zeks, makes me think that he is doing what he can to come off pro-town and use whatever credit he gets from the zeks lynch to avoid getting killed in the traitor hunt.
Combine that with the fact that if town, LSB has a completely useless role, PoD. So we need not fear losing a blue role.
That being said, chaoser could be the traitor, or Southrawrea could be fucking with us. Honestly, neither of these two players have posted a ton of useful content, so CVing either would be OK with me. Keep in mind two things though, if town, Chaoser actually has an extremely powerful role now. Imagine his list of 5. If one dies tonight, and he doesn't get the option to kill, then the other 4 players on the list are confirmed innocents. That is amazingly powerful, and worth keeping around in my opinion(at least for now). Second, Southrawrea being mafia and trying to fuck us around makes very little sense, but as people pointed out earlier, he could be vengeful player. If we are going to kill him, we'll want to do it with the CV, or the JOAT(or Bad Santa)
My proposal for tonight:
Compvig LSB
Bullet Bill(Fishball) check Southrawrea
Tracker follow Fishball
Medic protect Fishball
Once Fishball reveals who he looked at, the Alignment Cop should check that person, as it will help to establish his sanity(at least it will once Fishball becomes confirmed). Fishball you need to reveal your pick as soon as you can, to give the Alignment Cop time to get his night action in.
Joat do your own thing, you either protected or investigated last night. If you investigated, you should Talk tonight and let someone know the alignment of who you checked. If you protected last night, you should investigate Fishball tonight, as knowing his alignment is highly beneficial to the town. Again, if you ever find a red you should claim in the thread. If your talking tonight, go with whomever strikes you as most pro-town. Keep in mind that SK is dead, so pro-town means town at this point(as opposed to a SK who is playing pro-town)
Chaoser, you should reveal your list the moment someone on it gets NKed
+ Show Spoiler +Also, I feel it's important to note that the last two people who died both pointed FoS at me. If anyone else feels this way, let me know. I stand by every post I've made this game, and I feel like I've been playing decently so far. I have posted a ton of content, so there will always be things to nitpick, but I'm willing to defend it all.
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Radfield
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Also, Brownbear needs to die once we sort out this traitor business. He's been totally useless and can't be allowed to coast like he is doing. Unless of course other information comes up.
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Radfield
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Forgot about Pandain's claim of Martyr.
Pandain should protect Fishball
Doctors should protect anyone except players 2/3/6, Keep in mind that Opz and Citizen have a good chance of being defensive roles.
Once again I ask that the Doctors think about protecting me. Siniquity is also a good choice, as is bumatlarge(basically confirmed townie). In my eyes Divinek is mostly confirmed, and may or may not be a candidate for protection. If mafia want to shoot at pandain that is fine, as his job is to die anyways(martyr).
I don't think Jeejee or Darth should be protected. One because I have slightly scummy vibes towards those two players, two because they may have defensive roles.
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