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All caught up! Here's the read dump:
Town d00ds
Thrawn - Duh.
debears - Duh.
Djodref - This one probably needs some 'splainin. The shit that he pulled at the end of the Day 1 lynch in no sane way came from a scum player. He was really enthralled with this idea of starting a last-minute wagon on a player when it was clear that adam would be getting lynched. I can't see hypothetical scum Djo pulling stuff like this, since he would have known that Adam would flip red. The dynamics of the game suggest that Adam was bussed by scum in the later hours. Djodref's play is far too attention-whoring and suicidal to be from scum.
In addition, there are posts like this...
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=384953¤tpage=13#260
...where he displays a really convoluted thought process that I attribute more to town than scum.
Palmar - He's definitely capable of bussing his own, but he didn't even make an attempt to go for another target but Adam. Much different from what I saw of his scum-play in Rockband Mini anywho.
Clarity - His posts just seem pretty townie overall. Solid logic, really patient and well-thought out reads. Palmar's video goes through his early-game pretty well.
And there are gems like this:
On December 11 2012 09:57 Clarity_nl wrote:
WHAT THE FUCK I GIVE UP FUCK YOU
HE MADE THE READS WITHOUT KNOWING HIS ALIGNMENT, HOW CAN HIS READS THAT HE MADE BEFORE READING HIS PM BE ALIGNMENT INDICATIVE
Vivax -
I explained my read on Vivax earlier...
On December 12 2012 14:36 Hapahauli wrote:Around page 24 - leaning town on Vivax in spite of Z-Bo's case for two reasons. 1) Adam posts a case on Vivax shortly after dropping his "confrontation" with debears: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=384953¤tpage=24#463Vivax is under some fire already, and it would be a really strange play for Adam to go after a hypothetical scumbuddy like this when there were plenty of other targets to chose from at this point in the game (Tunkeg, Jay, etc). Unless all these guys are scum, the Vivax choice makes very little sense if Vivax is scum. 2) He posted a dry-erase board picture of an "analysis web" of the Thrawn "incident" earlier in the game. That says try-hard townie to me.
His voting actions are a bit weird (being convinced to vote Adam by Grush is quite sketch), but I can see a town thought-process of just wanting to not no-lynch.
marv - Marv voting Adam early (2nd?) doesn't strike me as a scum move. Marv is capable of bussing plays, but a D1 bus of adam with plenty of other lynch options seems like a bit of a stretch. A possibility for sure, but not too likely methinks.
green - He hasn't done much, but his vote on Adam gave me a town feel.
On December 12 2012 07:39 VisceraEyes wrote:
##Unvote
##Vote: Adam
Baaaaaaahhhhh.
He doesn't attempt to glorify it or justify it - he's candid about the whole thing, and that strikes me as town.
Null Reads
Jay - He seems like a pretty easy mislynch as town in his other games. He's not done much allignment-indicative in my eyes. Maaaaybe some townie points for being the hammer-vote on Adam, but that's about it.
Tunkeg - Another wishy-washy player from what I've seen of his meta. I do like his "martyr" post quite a bit, because based on his general "mentality" as a player, I feel it's not a type of post that a player like him would make as a scum. Though I haven't seen a scum-game that he's played, which is why I'm a bit more hesitant. Maybe slightly townie, but nothing like the guys above.
Grush - He's been on Adam from the get-go, and I'm unsure what to think of it. That would be a town-tell for most players, but this is Grush, and part of me thinks that he has a little extra info.
On December 12 2012 06:25 grush57 wrote:
That's pretty reasonable. I'm a bit cautious of Bluelightz because he is a vet. Jay strikes me as a foolish townie and Tunk is probably a noobie. I want to vote Adam because he is reminding me of his scum play.
Like this post... seems... too... reasonable for Grush? This is probably crazy on my part, but having seen him play Mafia LVII, his nonsensical town play there is pretty fresh in my mind.
Z-Boson - His play is not alignment indicative so far. He's capable of bombing the big cases as town or scum. What will be telling in the future is if he can maintain good logic in making those cases.
Scumreads
Bluelightz - I realize he's lynch bait (and I tunnel'd him to death when he was town in Rockband), but in this game, I find his play lines up real neat with a scum agenda. In his opening post, he spreads suspicion on four different players:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=384953¤tpage=12#238
He posts a bunch after that, but never follows up on any of the suspicions he pushed in that thread. Notably, he never pushes the guy whom he put his vote on (jay). His vote on Adam also feels like a bus vote, a nice little agreeable and uncontroversial vote when the bandwagon is gaining steam.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=384953¤tpage=33#648
WBG - I get very scared when a vet gives me no reason to think he's town, and this seems to be the case with WBG. He has a case on a "lynch-bait" player in Tunkeg, but that's about it. His play is very "clean," and as the leader of one of the main counter-wagons to the Adam lynch (and given that I have no reason to think Tunkeg is scum at this point), I'm inclined to think WBG is scum.
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EBWOP: Derp
greenVE - He hasn't done much, but his vote on Adam gave me a town feel.
On December 12 2012 07:39 VisceraEyes wrote:
##Unvote
##Vote: Adam
Baaaaaaahhhhh.
He doesn't attempt to glorify it or justify it - he's candid about the whole thing, and that strikes me as town.
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On December 12 2012 16:43 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2012 16:39 Tunkeg wrote:On December 12 2012 16:14 wherebugsgo wrote:
Tunkeg, let's go into a fantasy world for a second.
In this fantasy world, neither of us thinks the other is scum. Who is scum then? There is no such scenario. To find the remaining scum one would need to connect the dots between you and Adam. This will require some rereading. So given you are scum I don't have an answer atm who the rest of the scumteam. I will not speculate in anything where I have to assume you are not scum, because it is irrellevant, as I am certain you are scum... LOL cool story bro. Even if I am scum you can't name anyone else? Jesus you're bad at this game.
I mentioned plenty in my read post. The only ting back then was that Adam hadn't flipped yet. With Adam flipped, and me being certain you are scum, the rest of the scumteam need to add up with you two guys being scum. I will have plenty of time finding the remaining scum, and I will not rush into anything.
I am not sure what your motives are here. But it probably have something with you wanting to discredit me, or call me out for being dumb. Frankly I don't care what you got to say anymore, I am convinced you are scum, and that all you are doing are scumtactics. There is nothing you can say to me that will make me change my mind, the way you went after me and the level of your arguements convinced me. The easiest way I find scum is looking at the people going after me, are they making up shit or voting me for no reason, and also got half a brain, yeah, then they are often scum.
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On December 10 2012 09:53 Djodref wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2012 09:43 thrawn2112 wrote:On December 10 2012 09:37 Djodref wrote:
@thrawn
Did you seriously not read that millers are not self aware ? I dont see what the point of this question is, if I'm town then I obviously can't give a real answer. Not true, if it was a probe post and you did it as town, then you can give a real answer like "I totally read that miller are not self-aware, but I wanted to use this fakeclaim as a probe to see how people would react to it" My problem is that I'm faced with the following choice right now - I have to assume that you did the thing above
- I have to lynch you because you are a lying scum
So, I'll go with the first choice for the moment and ask you how you were expecting people to react to this fakeclaim. All in all, what was your motivation for this post ?
I don't like this post. Djo says that he has two options....
1) that thrawn used the fakeclaim as a probe to see how people reacted to it
2) thrawn is lying scum
What I have issue with is he says he's going to go for the first option, but gives no reason for doing so. Then he asks thrawn why thrawn fakeclaimed. I don't see any purpose in djodref asking thrawn that question if djodref is assuming thrawn is town. He even gave thrawn the answer thrawn would need to assuage djo's doubts. He did the same type of thing with with boson later on in the thread.
My point is that djo dances around the possibility thrawn is scum but assumes he's town and is strangely interested in why he "fakeclaimed." Adam did almost the exact same thing... he questioned thrawn about his motives (adam trying to appear useful) but wasn't interested in the "is thrawn town or scum" aspect of the issue. Djo then pressure voted thrawn even though he though thrawn was town... this looks like fake scumhunting.
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Hapa: I don't understand why I am "duh town" status... people have been calling me town ever since my incident at the start (which I can understand) but they've continued to do so without talking about anything else I've been doing... can you elaborate on your read?
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@ Thrawn
Thoughts?
Djodref - This one probably needs some 'splainin. The shit that he pulled at the end of the Day 1 lynch in no sane way came from a scum player. He was really enthralled with this idea of starting a last-minute wagon on a player when it was clear that adam would be getting lynched. I can't see hypothetical scum Djo pulling stuff like this, since he would have known that Adam would flip red. The dynamics of the game suggest that Adam was bussed by scum in the later hours. Djodref's play is far too attention-whoring and suicidal to be from scum. In addition, there are posts like this... http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=384953¤tpage=13#260...where he displays a really convoluted thought process that I attribute more to town than scum.
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On December 12 2012 17:19 thrawn2112 wrote:
Hapa: I don't understand why I am "duh town" status... people have been calling me town ever since my incident at the start (which I can understand) but they've continued to do so without talking about anything else I've been doing... can you elaborate on your read?
Yeah sure thing - the whole "miller" thing just reads like a really misguided gambit play (townie). In addition, I just can't see you pulling that as scum, given your (our) scumgame in Mario Mini.
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I'm not convinced. He made some wishy washy commitments to the adam lynch that he didn't follow through on and I disagree with your read on how attention whoring or suicidal djo was being. He was mostly being ignored with all of his attempts to get a different lynch going. In looney he bussed his scumbud the entire game and argued against the main lynches because he was being ignored and was able to get away with it.
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"really misguided gambit"
hapa so much nicer than everyone else lol
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On December 12 2012 17:25 thrawn2112 wrote:
I'm not convinced. He made some wishy washy commitments to the adam lynch that he didn't follow through on and I disagree with your read on how attention whoring or suicidal djo was being. He was mostly being ignored with all of his attempts to get a different lynch going. In looney he bussed his scumbud the entire game and argued against the main lynches because he was being ignored and was able to get away with it.
Yeah I understand he was being ignored, but you don't post stuff like this and assume you will be ignored:
On December 12 2012 08:06 Djodref wrote:
Anyone up for a counter bandwagon on jay ?
##Unvote
##Vote Jay
On December 12 2012 08:43 Djodref wrote:
I'll switch back my vote to Tunkeg if you guys change your mind last minute for the time I'm taking a shower !
##Unvote
##Vote Tunkeg
On December 12 2012 09:23 Djodref wrote:
And, seriously guys, you still prefer to lynch Adam to jay after Adam's latest post ?
Counter wagon ! GO GO GO !
##Unvote
##Vote jay
Mind you all of this within 1-2 hours of the lynch, and when it was clear that Adam was going to hang.
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+ Show Spoiler +On December 12 2012 17:05 Hapahauli wrote:All caught up! Here's the read dump:
Town d00dsThrawn - Duh. debears - Duh. Djodref - This one probably needs some 'splainin. The shit that he pulled at the end of the Day 1 lynch in no sane way came from a scum player. He was really enthralled with this idea of starting a last-minute wagon on a player when it was clear that adam would be getting lynched. I can't see hypothetical scum Djo pulling stuff like this, since he would have known that Adam would flip red. The dynamics of the game suggest that Adam was bussed by scum in the later hours. Djodref's play is far too attention-whoring and suicidal to be from scum. In addition, there are posts like this... http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=384953¤tpage=13#260...where he displays a really convoluted thought process that I attribute more to town than scum. Palmar - He's definitely capable of bussing his own, but he didn't even make an attempt to go for another target but Adam. Much different from what I saw of his scum-play in Rockband Mini anywho. Clarity - His posts just seem pretty townie overall. Solid logic, really patient and well-thought out reads. Palmar's video goes through his early-game pretty well. And there are gems like this: Show nested quote +On December 11 2012 09:57 Clarity_nl wrote:
WHAT THE FUCK I GIVE UP FUCK YOU
HE MADE THE READS WITHOUT KNOWING HIS ALIGNMENT, HOW CAN HIS READS THAT HE MADE BEFORE READING HIS PM BE ALIGNMENT INDICATIVE Vivax - I explained my read on Vivax earlier... Show nested quote +On December 12 2012 14:36 Hapahauli wrote:Around page 24 - leaning town on Vivax in spite of Z-Bo's case for two reasons. 1) Adam posts a case on Vivax shortly after dropping his "confrontation" with debears: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=384953¤tpage=24#463Vivax is under some fire already, and it would be a really strange play for Adam to go after a hypothetical scumbuddy like this when there were plenty of other targets to chose from at this point in the game (Tunkeg, Jay, etc). Unless all these guys are scum, the Vivax choice makes very little sense if Vivax is scum. 2) He posted a dry-erase board picture of an "analysis web" of the Thrawn "incident" earlier in the game. That says try-hard townie to me. His voting actions are a bit weird (being convinced to vote Adam by Grush is quite sketch), but I can see a town thought-process of just wanting to not no-lynch. marv - Marv voting Adam early (2nd?) doesn't strike me as a scum move. Marv is capable of bussing plays, but a D1 bus of adam with plenty of other lynch options seems like a bit of a stretch. A possibility for sure, but not too likely methinks. green - He hasn't done much, but his vote on Adam gave me a town feel. Show nested quote +On December 12 2012 07:39 VisceraEyes wrote:
##Unvote
##Vote: Adam
Baaaaaaahhhhh. He doesn't attempt to glorify it or justify it - he's candid about the whole thing, and that strikes me as town.
Null ReadsJay - He seems like a pretty easy mislynch as town in his other games. He's not done much allignment-indicative in my eyes. Maaaaybe some townie points for being the hammer-vote on Adam, but that's about it. Tunkeg - Another wishy-washy player from what I've seen of his meta. I do like his "martyr" post quite a bit, because based on his general "mentality" as a player, I feel it's not a type of post that a player like him would make as a scum. Though I haven't seen a scum-game that he's played, which is why I'm a bit more hesitant. Maybe slightly townie, but nothing like the guys above. Grush - He's been on Adam from the get-go, and I'm unsure what to think of it. That would be a town-tell for most players, but this is Grush, and part of me thinks that he has a little extra info. Show nested quote +On December 12 2012 06:25 grush57 wrote:
That's pretty reasonable. I'm a bit cautious of Bluelightz because he is a vet. Jay strikes me as a foolish townie and Tunk is probably a noobie. I want to vote Adam because he is reminding me of his scum play. Like this post... seems... too... reasonable for Grush? This is probably crazy on my part, but having seen him play Mafia LVII, his nonsensical town play there is pretty fresh in my mind. Z-Boson - His play is not alignment indicative so far. He's capable of bombing the big cases as town or scum. What will be telling in the future is if he can maintain good logic in making those cases.
ScumreadsBluelightz - I realize he's lynch bait (and I tunnel'd him to death when he was town in Rockband), but in this game, I find his play lines up real neat with a scum agenda. In his opening post, he spreads suspicion on four different players: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=384953¤tpage=12#238He posts a bunch after that, but never follows up on any of the suspicions he pushed in that thread. Notably, he never pushes the guy whom he put his vote on (jay). His vote on Adam also feels like a bus vote, a nice little agreeable and uncontroversial vote when the bandwagon is gaining steam. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=384953¤tpage=33#648WBG - I get very scared when a vet gives me no reason to think he's town, and this seems to be the case with WBG. He has a case on a "lynch-bait" player in Tunkeg, but that's about it. His play is very "clean," and as the leader of one of the main counter-wagons to the Adam lynch (and given that I have no reason to think Tunkeg is scum at this point), I'm inclined to think WBG is scum.
WTF do you know about my meta? Have me and you ever played a game? Have you read through my games after being replaced in (while you just now have been able to read up on this game)? Also you say my meta is wishy washy, lol. Are you sure you haven't skimmed through the scum QT and have misunderstood what they wrote about my meta?
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Actually can you fill me in on the details in Looney? I don't see how him bussing his scumbuddy is relevant to this situation.
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On December 12 2012 17:32 Tunkeg wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On December 12 2012 17:05 Hapahauli wrote:All caught up! Here's the read dump:
Town d00dsThrawn - Duh. debears - Duh. Djodref - This one probably needs some 'splainin. The shit that he pulled at the end of the Day 1 lynch in no sane way came from a scum player. He was really enthralled with this idea of starting a last-minute wagon on a player when it was clear that adam would be getting lynched. I can't see hypothetical scum Djo pulling stuff like this, since he would have known that Adam would flip red. The dynamics of the game suggest that Adam was bussed by scum in the later hours. Djodref's play is far too attention-whoring and suicidal to be from scum. In addition, there are posts like this... http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=384953¤tpage=13#260...where he displays a really convoluted thought process that I attribute more to town than scum. Palmar - He's definitely capable of bussing his own, but he didn't even make an attempt to go for another target but Adam. Much different from what I saw of his scum-play in Rockband Mini anywho. Clarity - His posts just seem pretty townie overall. Solid logic, really patient and well-thought out reads. Palmar's video goes through his early-game pretty well. And there are gems like this: Show nested quote +On December 11 2012 09:57 Clarity_nl wrote:
WHAT THE FUCK I GIVE UP FUCK YOU
HE MADE THE READS WITHOUT KNOWING HIS ALIGNMENT, HOW CAN HIS READS THAT HE MADE BEFORE READING HIS PM BE ALIGNMENT INDICATIVE Vivax - I explained my read on Vivax earlier... Show nested quote +On December 12 2012 14:36 Hapahauli wrote:Around page 24 - leaning town on Vivax in spite of Z-Bo's case for two reasons. 1) Adam posts a case on Vivax shortly after dropping his "confrontation" with debears: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=384953¤tpage=24#463Vivax is under some fire already, and it would be a really strange play for Adam to go after a hypothetical scumbuddy like this when there were plenty of other targets to chose from at this point in the game (Tunkeg, Jay, etc). Unless all these guys are scum, the Vivax choice makes very little sense if Vivax is scum. 2) He posted a dry-erase board picture of an "analysis web" of the Thrawn "incident" earlier in the game. That says try-hard townie to me. His voting actions are a bit weird (being convinced to vote Adam by Grush is quite sketch), but I can see a town thought-process of just wanting to not no-lynch. marv - Marv voting Adam early (2nd?) doesn't strike me as a scum move. Marv is capable of bussing plays, but a D1 bus of adam with plenty of other lynch options seems like a bit of a stretch. A possibility for sure, but not too likely methinks. green - He hasn't done much, but his vote on Adam gave me a town feel. Show nested quote +On December 12 2012 07:39 VisceraEyes wrote:
##Unvote
##Vote: Adam
Baaaaaaahhhhh. He doesn't attempt to glorify it or justify it - he's candid about the whole thing, and that strikes me as town.
Null ReadsJay - He seems like a pretty easy mislynch as town in his other games. He's not done much allignment-indicative in my eyes. Maaaaybe some townie points for being the hammer-vote on Adam, but that's about it. Tunkeg - Another wishy-washy player from what I've seen of his meta. I do like his "martyr" post quite a bit, because based on his general "mentality" as a player, I feel it's not a type of post that a player like him would make as a scum. Though I haven't seen a scum-game that he's played, which is why I'm a bit more hesitant. Maybe slightly townie, but nothing like the guys above. Grush - He's been on Adam from the get-go, and I'm unsure what to think of it. That would be a town-tell for most players, but this is Grush, and part of me thinks that he has a little extra info. Show nested quote +On December 12 2012 06:25 grush57 wrote:
That's pretty reasonable. I'm a bit cautious of Bluelightz because he is a vet. Jay strikes me as a foolish townie and Tunk is probably a noobie. I want to vote Adam because he is reminding me of his scum play. Like this post... seems... too... reasonable for Grush? This is probably crazy on my part, but having seen him play Mafia LVII, his nonsensical town play there is pretty fresh in my mind. Z-Boson - His play is not alignment indicative so far. He's capable of bombing the big cases as town or scum. What will be telling in the future is if he can maintain good logic in making those cases.
ScumreadsBluelightz - I realize he's lynch bait (and I tunnel'd him to death when he was town in Rockband), but in this game, I find his play lines up real neat with a scum agenda. In his opening post, he spreads suspicion on four different players: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=384953¤tpage=12#238He posts a bunch after that, but never follows up on any of the suspicions he pushed in that thread. Notably, he never pushes the guy whom he put his vote on (jay). His vote on Adam also feels like a bus vote, a nice little agreeable and uncontroversial vote when the bandwagon is gaining steam. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=384953¤tpage=33#648WBG - I get very scared when a vet gives me no reason to think he's town, and this seems to be the case with WBG. He has a case on a "lynch-bait" player in Tunkeg, but that's about it. His play is very "clean," and as the leader of one of the main counter-wagons to the Adam lynch (and given that I have no reason to think Tunkeg is scum at this point), I'm inclined to think WBG is scum. WTF do you know about my meta? Have me and you ever played a game? Have you read through my games after being replaced in (while you just now have been able to read up on this game)? Also you say my meta is wishy washy, lol. Are you sure you haven't skimmed through the scum QT and have misunderstood what they wrote about my meta?
Yes I skimmed a couple of your games. Whaddya think I"ve been doing for the last few hours?
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So did WBG yell so much at Munk-E in the scum-QT for not contributing that he actually just left the game? With your metaread (out of nowhere) on me, that might be a theory...
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On December 12 2012 17:35 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2012 17:32 Tunkeg wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On December 12 2012 17:05 Hapahauli wrote:All caught up! Here's the read dump:
Town d00dsThrawn - Duh. debears - Duh. Djodref - This one probably needs some 'splainin. The shit that he pulled at the end of the Day 1 lynch in no sane way came from a scum player. He was really enthralled with this idea of starting a last-minute wagon on a player when it was clear that adam would be getting lynched. I can't see hypothetical scum Djo pulling stuff like this, since he would have known that Adam would flip red. The dynamics of the game suggest that Adam was bussed by scum in the later hours. Djodref's play is far too attention-whoring and suicidal to be from scum. In addition, there are posts like this... http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=384953¤tpage=13#260...where he displays a really convoluted thought process that I attribute more to town than scum. Palmar - He's definitely capable of bussing his own, but he didn't even make an attempt to go for another target but Adam. Much different from what I saw of his scum-play in Rockband Mini anywho. Clarity - His posts just seem pretty townie overall. Solid logic, really patient and well-thought out reads. Palmar's video goes through his early-game pretty well. And there are gems like this: Show nested quote +On December 11 2012 09:57 Clarity_nl wrote:
WHAT THE FUCK I GIVE UP FUCK YOU
HE MADE THE READS WITHOUT KNOWING HIS ALIGNMENT, HOW CAN HIS READS THAT HE MADE BEFORE READING HIS PM BE ALIGNMENT INDICATIVE Vivax - I explained my read on Vivax earlier... Show nested quote +On December 12 2012 14:36 Hapahauli wrote:Around page 24 - leaning town on Vivax in spite of Z-Bo's case for two reasons. 1) Adam posts a case on Vivax shortly after dropping his "confrontation" with debears: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=384953¤tpage=24#463Vivax is under some fire already, and it would be a really strange play for Adam to go after a hypothetical scumbuddy like this when there were plenty of other targets to chose from at this point in the game (Tunkeg, Jay, etc). Unless all these guys are scum, the Vivax choice makes very little sense if Vivax is scum. 2) He posted a dry-erase board picture of an "analysis web" of the Thrawn "incident" earlier in the game. That says try-hard townie to me. His voting actions are a bit weird (being convinced to vote Adam by Grush is quite sketch), but I can see a town thought-process of just wanting to not no-lynch. marv - Marv voting Adam early (2nd?) doesn't strike me as a scum move. Marv is capable of bussing plays, but a D1 bus of adam with plenty of other lynch options seems like a bit of a stretch. A possibility for sure, but not too likely methinks. green - He hasn't done much, but his vote on Adam gave me a town feel. Show nested quote +On December 12 2012 07:39 VisceraEyes wrote:
##Unvote
##Vote: Adam
Baaaaaaahhhhh. He doesn't attempt to glorify it or justify it - he's candid about the whole thing, and that strikes me as town.
Null ReadsJay - He seems like a pretty easy mislynch as town in his other games. He's not done much allignment-indicative in my eyes. Maaaaybe some townie points for being the hammer-vote on Adam, but that's about it. Tunkeg - Another wishy-washy player from what I've seen of his meta. I do like his "martyr" post quite a bit, because based on his general "mentality" as a player, I feel it's not a type of post that a player like him would make as a scum. Though I haven't seen a scum-game that he's played, which is why I'm a bit more hesitant. Maybe slightly townie, but nothing like the guys above. Grush - He's been on Adam from the get-go, and I'm unsure what to think of it. That would be a town-tell for most players, but this is Grush, and part of me thinks that he has a little extra info. Show nested quote +On December 12 2012 06:25 grush57 wrote:
That's pretty reasonable. I'm a bit cautious of Bluelightz because he is a vet. Jay strikes me as a foolish townie and Tunk is probably a noobie. I want to vote Adam because he is reminding me of his scum play. Like this post... seems... too... reasonable for Grush? This is probably crazy on my part, but having seen him play Mafia LVII, his nonsensical town play there is pretty fresh in my mind. Z-Boson - His play is not alignment indicative so far. He's capable of bombing the big cases as town or scum. What will be telling in the future is if he can maintain good logic in making those cases.
ScumreadsBluelightz - I realize he's lynch bait (and I tunnel'd him to death when he was town in Rockband), but in this game, I find his play lines up real neat with a scum agenda. In his opening post, he spreads suspicion on four different players: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=384953¤tpage=12#238He posts a bunch after that, but never follows up on any of the suspicions he pushed in that thread. Notably, he never pushes the guy whom he put his vote on (jay). His vote on Adam also feels like a bus vote, a nice little agreeable and uncontroversial vote when the bandwagon is gaining steam. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=384953¤tpage=33#648WBG - I get very scared when a vet gives me no reason to think he's town, and this seems to be the case with WBG. He has a case on a "lynch-bait" player in Tunkeg, but that's about it. His play is very "clean," and as the leader of one of the main counter-wagons to the Adam lynch (and given that I have no reason to think Tunkeg is scum at this point), I'm inclined to think WBG is scum. WTF do you know about my meta? Have me and you ever played a game? Have you read through my games after being replaced in (while you just now have been able to read up on this game)? Also you say my meta is wishy washy, lol. Are you sure you haven't skimmed through the scum QT and have misunderstood what they wrote about my meta? Yes I skimmed a couple of your games. Whaddya think I"ve been doing for the last few hours?
I thought you would be reading up on this game. A couple of hours to read up on this game and knowing all about my meta though is pretty impressive stuff. Unless you are just full of shit...
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So what exactly is wrong with my meta read? I skimmed some of your games, and came to a conclusion based on them. I'm really unsure what your "angle of attack" is here.
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On December 12 2012 17:37 Tunkeg wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2012 17:35 Hapahauli wrote:On December 12 2012 17:32 Tunkeg wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On December 12 2012 17:05 Hapahauli wrote:All caught up! Here's the read dump:
Town d00dsThrawn - Duh. debears - Duh. Djodref - This one probably needs some 'splainin. The shit that he pulled at the end of the Day 1 lynch in no sane way came from a scum player. He was really enthralled with this idea of starting a last-minute wagon on a player when it was clear that adam would be getting lynched. I can't see hypothetical scum Djo pulling stuff like this, since he would have known that Adam would flip red. The dynamics of the game suggest that Adam was bussed by scum in the later hours. Djodref's play is far too attention-whoring and suicidal to be from scum. In addition, there are posts like this... http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=384953¤tpage=13#260...where he displays a really convoluted thought process that I attribute more to town than scum. Palmar - He's definitely capable of bussing his own, but he didn't even make an attempt to go for another target but Adam. Much different from what I saw of his scum-play in Rockband Mini anywho. Clarity - His posts just seem pretty townie overall. Solid logic, really patient and well-thought out reads. Palmar's video goes through his early-game pretty well. And there are gems like this: Show nested quote +On December 11 2012 09:57 Clarity_nl wrote:
WHAT THE FUCK I GIVE UP FUCK YOU
HE MADE THE READS WITHOUT KNOWING HIS ALIGNMENT, HOW CAN HIS READS THAT HE MADE BEFORE READING HIS PM BE ALIGNMENT INDICATIVE Vivax - I explained my read on Vivax earlier... Show nested quote +On December 12 2012 14:36 Hapahauli wrote:Around page 24 - leaning town on Vivax in spite of Z-Bo's case for two reasons. 1) Adam posts a case on Vivax shortly after dropping his "confrontation" with debears: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=384953¤tpage=24#463Vivax is under some fire already, and it would be a really strange play for Adam to go after a hypothetical scumbuddy like this when there were plenty of other targets to chose from at this point in the game (Tunkeg, Jay, etc). Unless all these guys are scum, the Vivax choice makes very little sense if Vivax is scum. 2) He posted a dry-erase board picture of an "analysis web" of the Thrawn "incident" earlier in the game. That says try-hard townie to me. His voting actions are a bit weird (being convinced to vote Adam by Grush is quite sketch), but I can see a town thought-process of just wanting to not no-lynch. marv - Marv voting Adam early (2nd?) doesn't strike me as a scum move. Marv is capable of bussing plays, but a D1 bus of adam with plenty of other lynch options seems like a bit of a stretch. A possibility for sure, but not too likely methinks. green - He hasn't done much, but his vote on Adam gave me a town feel. Show nested quote +On December 12 2012 07:39 VisceraEyes wrote:
##Unvote
##Vote: Adam
Baaaaaaahhhhh. He doesn't attempt to glorify it or justify it - he's candid about the whole thing, and that strikes me as town.
Null ReadsJay - He seems like a pretty easy mislynch as town in his other games. He's not done much allignment-indicative in my eyes. Maaaaybe some townie points for being the hammer-vote on Adam, but that's about it. Tunkeg - Another wishy-washy player from what I've seen of his meta. I do like his "martyr" post quite a bit, because based on his general "mentality" as a player, I feel it's not a type of post that a player like him would make as a scum. Though I haven't seen a scum-game that he's played, which is why I'm a bit more hesitant. Maybe slightly townie, but nothing like the guys above. Grush - He's been on Adam from the get-go, and I'm unsure what to think of it. That would be a town-tell for most players, but this is Grush, and part of me thinks that he has a little extra info. Show nested quote +On December 12 2012 06:25 grush57 wrote:
That's pretty reasonable. I'm a bit cautious of Bluelightz because he is a vet. Jay strikes me as a foolish townie and Tunk is probably a noobie. I want to vote Adam because he is reminding me of his scum play. Like this post... seems... too... reasonable for Grush? This is probably crazy on my part, but having seen him play Mafia LVII, his nonsensical town play there is pretty fresh in my mind. Z-Boson - His play is not alignment indicative so far. He's capable of bombing the big cases as town or scum. What will be telling in the future is if he can maintain good logic in making those cases.
ScumreadsBluelightz - I realize he's lynch bait (and I tunnel'd him to death when he was town in Rockband), but in this game, I find his play lines up real neat with a scum agenda. In his opening post, he spreads suspicion on four different players: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=384953¤tpage=12#238He posts a bunch after that, but never follows up on any of the suspicions he pushed in that thread. Notably, he never pushes the guy whom he put his vote on (jay). His vote on Adam also feels like a bus vote, a nice little agreeable and uncontroversial vote when the bandwagon is gaining steam. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=384953¤tpage=33#648WBG - I get very scared when a vet gives me no reason to think he's town, and this seems to be the case with WBG. He has a case on a "lynch-bait" player in Tunkeg, but that's about it. His play is very "clean," and as the leader of one of the main counter-wagons to the Adam lynch (and given that I have no reason to think Tunkeg is scum at this point), I'm inclined to think WBG is scum. WTF do you know about my meta? Have me and you ever played a game? Have you read through my games after being replaced in (while you just now have been able to read up on this game)? Also you say my meta is wishy washy, lol. Are you sure you haven't skimmed through the scum QT and have misunderstood what they wrote about my meta? Yes I skimmed a couple of your games. Whaddya think I"ve been doing for the last few hours? I thought you would be reading up on this game. A couple of hours to read up on this game and knowing all about my meta though is pretty impressive stuff. Unless you are just full of shit...
Woah woah buddy, I never claimed to be a meta-expert on you or something.
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On December 12 2012 17:38 Hapahauli wrote:
So what exactly is wrong with my meta read? I skimmed some of your games, and came to a conclusion based on them. I'm really unsure what your "angle of attack" is here.
It's that your opinion on tunkeg seems too well informed considering that you just replaced in
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On December 12 2012 17:40 thrawn2112 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2012 17:38 Hapahauli wrote:
So what exactly is wrong with my meta read? I skimmed some of your games, and came to a conclusion based on them. I'm really unsure what your "angle of attack" is here. It's that your opinion on tunkeg seems too well informed considering that you just replaced in
That seems like a pretty big jump considering what I posted. I have a null read on him after all.
Though him flying off the handle about something that strikes me as odd considering the material that I posted.
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But thrawn and/or Tunkeg - some feedback on my read-dump would be appreciated.
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