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On December 12 2012 17:38 Hapahauli wrote:
So what exactly is wrong with my meta read? I skimmed some of your games, and came to a conclusion based on them. I'm really unsure what your "angle of attack" is here.
It is that I am finding your meta-read on me strange, and wanting to let the thread know. Also you elaborating on it is somewhat informative...
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hapa do you have any comments on this?
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On December 12 2012 17:45 Tunkeg wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2012 17:38 Hapahauli wrote:
So what exactly is wrong with my meta read? I skimmed some of your games, and came to a conclusion based on them. I'm really unsure what your "angle of attack" is here. It is that I am finding your meta-read on me strange, and wanting to let the thread know. Also you elaborating on it is somewhat informative...
Ok strange yes, but it's a bit funny given that I've never been attacked for putting too much effort into a read. Kinda funny really.
But calling my read strange is one thing, but you're seemingly flying off the wall and taking it personally.
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On December 12 2012 17:45 thrawn2112 wrote:hapa do you have any comments on this?
On December 12 2012 17:16 thrawn2112 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2012 09:53 Djodref wrote:On December 10 2012 09:43 thrawn2112 wrote:On December 10 2012 09:37 Djodref wrote:
@thrawn
Did you seriously not read that millers are not self aware ? I dont see what the point of this question is, if I'm town then I obviously can't give a real answer. Not true, if it was a probe post and you did it as town, then you can give a real answer like "I totally read that miller are not self-aware, but I wanted to use this fakeclaim as a probe to see how people would react to it" My problem is that I'm faced with the following choice right now - I have to assume that you did the thing above
- I have to lynch you because you are a lying scum
So, I'll go with the first choice for the moment and ask you how you were expecting people to react to this fakeclaim. All in all, what was your motivation for this post ? I don't like this post. Djo says that he has two options.... 1) that thrawn used the fakeclaim as a probe to see how people reacted to it 2) thrawn is lying scum What I have issue with is he says he's going to go for the first option, but gives no reason for doing so. Then he asks thrawn why thrawn fakeclaimed. I don't see any purpose in djodref asking thrawn that question if djodref is assuming thrawn is town. He even gave thrawn the answer thrawn would need to assuage djo's doubts. He did the same type of thing with with boson later on in the thread. My point is that djo dances around the possibility thrawn is scum but assumes he's town and is strangely interested in why he "fakeclaimed." Adam did almost the exact same thing... he questioned thrawn about his motives (adam trying to appear useful) but wasn't interested in the "is thrawn town or scum" aspect of the issue. Djo then pressure voted thrawn even though he though thrawn was town... this looks like fake scumhunting.
Eh I think you're missing the point of that post. He says he's going with his first angle "for the moment," presumably to see what possible townie motivations you could have for doing what you did. Also he pretty clearly doesn't assume your town, since he pressure-votes you later down the line.
It seems pretty different from what Adam did, since Adam was pretty much implying that you were scum while he was questioning you (without explicitly saying it of course).
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On December 12 2012 17:45 Hapahauli wrote:
But thrawn and/or Tunkeg - some feedback on my read-dump would be appreciated.
I pretty much agree exactly with your town list except for one or two others I might ass to it. I disagree with the scum read on bl. You say his play looks like a buss.. I think it looks like he was sheeping palmar.
On December 11 2012 21:27 Bluelightz wrote:
Palmar, when in the video did you comment on adam (the time pls). I only skimmed through it at school.
He mentions palmer again when he votes. I also think the timing of his vote looks too early to be a buss. At the time he did it I was still pretty uncertain about who was actually going to be lynched and that's not a good time to buss if you don't need to.
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On December 12 2012 17:51 thrawn2112 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2012 17:45 Hapahauli wrote:
But thrawn and/or Tunkeg - some feedback on my read-dump would be appreciated. I pretty much agree exactly with your town list except for one or two others I might ass to it. I disagree with the scum read on bl. You say his play looks like a buss.. I think it looks like he was sheeping palmar. Show nested quote +On December 11 2012 21:27 Bluelightz wrote:
Palmar, when in the video did you comment on adam (the time pls). I only skimmed through it at school. He mentions palmer again when he votes. I also think the timing of his vote looks too early to be a buss. At the time he did it I was still pretty uncertain about who was actually going to be lynched and that's not a good time to buss if you don't need to.
Well sheeping Palmar is at the very least non-alignment indicative. The main issue that I have is that he posted four suspicions to open the game and never followed-up on a single one.
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my play is clean, so I'm scum...the fuck?
I could play like a retard, but no one likes when I do that.
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On December 12 2012 17:45 Hapahauli wrote:
But thrawn and/or Tunkeg - some feedback on my read-dump would be appreciated.
TBH I don't care to much about your reads. When I am assessing you your reads will be part of my assessment. But for now your reads are your reads, I agree on some of them (obviously) and some I don't. But I can tell you this much, I like that you posted some reads, it will make it easier to read you further down the line.
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On December 12 2012 17:51 Hapahauli wrote:
Also he pretty clearly doesn't assume your town, since he pressure-votes you later down the line.
No, he thought I was town the whole time. His first read on me was:
"My first reaction to thrawn post was "yeah, obvious scum" then I thought that he might not have been serious at all. A one liner for a miller claim doesn't look real, regardless of his alignment. The way he answered "nvm, then" shows that he is carefree about it."
The other issue is him asking why I did it and pressure voting me to find out. He later says the town motivation he thought I had was that that I was hoping to attract pressure from scum. This was based on a post I made from looney. So if he thinks I'm trying to attract scum attention, why would he vote pressure me so that I'll announce it to the thread?
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On December 12 2012 17:57 wherebugsgo wrote:
my play is clean, so I'm scum...the fuck?
I could play like a retard, but no one likes when I do that.
"Clean" in the sense that you're not taking any risks. You're not going out of your way to comment on multiple players or make additional reads - you stick to a case on a player who looks like a lynch-bait candidate throughout D1.
The reality is that I hold vets to a higher standard. Your play doesn't read like a wild and engaged townie - it looks like scum trying to blend in. If you're town, it's on you to prove it in the next few days.
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On December 12 2012 17:47 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2012 17:45 Tunkeg wrote:On December 12 2012 17:38 Hapahauli wrote:
So what exactly is wrong with my meta read? I skimmed some of your games, and came to a conclusion based on them. I'm really unsure what your "angle of attack" is here. It is that I am finding your meta-read on me strange, and wanting to let the thread know. Also you elaborating on it is somewhat informative... Ok strange yes, but it's a bit funny given that I've never been attacked for putting too much effort into a read. Kinda funny really. But calling my read strange is one thing, but you're seemingly flying off the wall and taking it personally.
I am not attacking you for putting to much effort in. In fact what I question is the effort you have put into this. I find it strange that you can have read enough of me to have a meta-read on me at this point.
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On December 12 2012 17:59 Tunkeg wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2012 17:45 Hapahauli wrote:
But thrawn and/or Tunkeg - some feedback on my read-dump would be appreciated. TBH I don't care to much about your reads. When I am assessing you your reads will be part of my assessment. But for now your reads are your reads, I agree on some of them (obviously) and some I don't. But I can tell you this much, I like that you posted some reads, it will make it easier to read you further down the line.
Well I'm interested in some of yours though. Particularly the ones on Djo and Vivax, since I'm drawing the opposite conclusions from some folks in the thread atm.
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On December 12 2012 17:52 Hapahauli wrote:
Well sheeping Palmar is at the very least non-alignment indicative.
Scum bl would be sheeping a vote for his scumbuddy?
I missed the implication behind "at the very least non-alignment indicative." What is the other end of the spectrum?
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hapa remember that time I sent you 50 pms? I have a feeling that this game might seem a little bit like that
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On December 12 2012 18:04 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2012 17:59 Tunkeg wrote:On December 12 2012 17:45 Hapahauli wrote:
But thrawn and/or Tunkeg - some feedback on my read-dump would be appreciated. TBH I don't care to much about your reads. When I am assessing you your reads will be part of my assessment. But for now your reads are your reads, I agree on some of them (obviously) and some I don't. But I can tell you this much, I like that you posted some reads, it will make it easier to read you further down the line. Well I'm interested in some of yours though. Particularly the ones on Djo and Vivax, since I'm drawing the opposite conclusions from some folks in the thread atm.
I haven't an updated view on any of them. My read post is the last time I evaluated them in any way. And atm I can't sit down and analyse anyone, I can just follow the thread and give some short inputs where I feel it is needed.
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On December 12 2012 18:04 thrawn2112 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2012 17:52 Hapahauli wrote:
Well sheeping Palmar is at the very least non-alignment indicative. Scum bl would be sheeping a vote for his scumbuddy? I missed the implication behind "at the very least non-alignment indicative." What is the other end of the spectrum?
A sheep vote on a scumbuddy is non-alignment indicative. I think it was in a situation that could very plausibly (and likely IMO) be a bussing attempt. But the point of the statement was to have you consider the 2nd point - that he opened the game with a bunch of suspicions and hasn't said a word about 'em since.
On December 12 2012 18:01 thrawn2112 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2012 17:51 Hapahauli wrote:
Also he pretty clearly doesn't assume your town, since he pressure-votes you later down the line. No, he thought I was town the whole time. His first read on me was: "My first reaction to thrawn post was "yeah, obvious scum" then I thought that he might not have been serious at all. A one liner for a miller claim doesn't look real, regardless of his alignment. The way he answered "nvm, then" shows that he is carefree about it." The other issue is him asking why I did it and pressure voting me to find out. He later says the town motivation he thought I had was that that I was hoping to attract pressure from scum. This was based on a post I made from looney. So if he thinks I'm trying to attract scum attention, why would he vote pressure me so that I'll announce it to the thread?
I think you're trying to attach a logic to his post that really isn't there. My reading was that he pressure-voted you to "confirm" what he thought you were thinking. Though, I'm still not considering him scum based on his actions at the lynch deadline. His play just seems straight-up suicidal if he was scum.
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On December 12 2012 17:57 wherebugsgo wrote:
my play is clean, so I'm scum...the fuck?
I could play like a retard, but no one likes when I do that.
I'm a big fan.
Also you're scum.
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On December 12 2012 18:07 thrawn2112 wrote:
hapa remember that time I sent you 50 pms? I have a feeling that this game might seem a little bit like that
Yeah it's certainly shaping up that way lol
Well it's probably for the best, since apparently Munk-E didn't do a good job at establishing that he was town - guess I have to do it for him then
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Oh hai Palmar, video was a joy to watch <3
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On December 12 2012 18:01 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2012 17:57 wherebugsgo wrote:
my play is clean, so I'm scum...the fuck?
I could play like a retard, but no one likes when I do that. "Clean" in the sense that you're not taking any risks. You're not going out of your way to comment on multiple players or make additional reads - you stick to a case on a player who looks like a lynch-bait candidate throughout D1. The reality is that I hold vets to a higher standard. Your play doesn't read like a wild and engaged townie - it looks like scum trying to blend in. If you're town, it's on you to prove it in the next few days.
How have I blended in when I made probably the strongest counter case to Adam? I didn't have to do that. If I was scum and wanted to blend in I could've just bandwagoned on what was clearly the easiest lynch of the day and taken massive town cred by bussing Adam. Instead I chose to pose an alternative because I actually took a stance on someone other than Adam. Everyone found him scummy. I found someone else scummier. And, in fact, Tunkeg's play is still quite erratic.
Secondly, the thing I absolutely hate about this type of jubjub logic is that it only makes sense when you don't think. Why are people attacking me? Because I was the only notable person who didn't hardline against Adam. This is confirmation bias. We saw a scum flip, and now everyone thinks that anyone who was late to the wagon or considered killing other people is scum. Sure, that's normal when there's resistance, but when there was never any resistance to begin with usually it's the people who sheep without reason who are the scum bussing. I.E. VE. I actually had concrete reasons to be voting Adam and I was one of the first players to make my opinion on him clear. The fact that I ultimately chose not to vote him is actually not scummy, because trust me, I'm pretty fucking lazy as scum.
So, think about it for a second. You think I'm scum and you apparently hold me to a higher standard than other players. So, what exactly have I done that is not up to your standards? I'm not taking risks? You don't need to take risks to play town! In fact, taking risks is full on retarded as town. I don't think anyone on this forum understands how I operate as scum, seeing as everyone and their mother accuses me of wildly different things as both alignments. I'm notoriously "hard to read" because my play doesn't boil down to "lazy as scum and active as town" unlike the vast majority of other players.
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