EPTStephano contract situation - Page 50
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Dubzex
United States6994 Posts
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Koorb
France266 Posts
On September 20 2011 05:16 Koorb wrote: Live Report: Mille's manager states that Stephano didn't get a raise from Millenium after the incident. Live Report: Mille manager states again that he doesn't fear a trial against coL, and states that he's confident that the loopholes in coL's contract were too important to comply with French labor law. | ||
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PassiveAce
United States18076 Posts
On September 20 2011 05:18 Brio-emp wrote: Llewellys (millenium manager) has said on his stream that the contract had no value, missing many important clauses (ie : no retractation clause). He also said he was not very happy the contract was signed at 3am (french hour), and without contacting the team (his team). Now Stephano has signed a "real" contract (working contract ? don't really know the way to say). If COL goes to justice what will i do ? Nothing, the contract has no value. COL says Millenium does not answer to their mail, well, i'm streaming now, i'm not going to make lucifron and hasuobs (they were playing a koth for some money). In france we say that The best cure is prevention. And when you don't want to have problems, you don't do something like signing a contract in the middle of the night and putting it on teamliquid.net just to be sure to get it... I won't say millenium did things the best way, i don't say stephano did do things the good way, but complexity is not better... You don't think the same way at 6 PM and at 5 AM. Stephano did not have a better contract than what was planned, we just showed him that the contract with COL was missing things like "look here, they say this, but they don't say anything if this or that". Well my english is bad, and i was translating as i was listening him speaking on his stream after the "Défi Winamax" (Lucifron vs HasuObs), so he said a bit more, but i was too slow to write everything. Everything was not said in this order, as i added the last sentences with what i had writting on a paper, but didn't have the time to write here first. Who are you? Why did mill/Stephano not read the contract before signing it? why not wait until morning? | ||
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ondik
Czech Republic2908 Posts
On September 20 2011 05:17 dpL wrote: We'll have to settle this in court. FRENCH COURT! According to french law, misspelling is allowed as long as it's used by a Frenchman in France. | ||
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zhurai
United States5660 Posts
On September 20 2011 05:18 Brio-emp wrote: Llewellys (millenium manager) has said on his stream that the contract had no value, missing many important clauses (ie : no retractation clause). He also said he was not very happy the contract was signed at 3am (french hour), and without contacting the team (his team). Now Stephano has signed a "real" contract (working contract ? don't really know the way to say). If COL goes to justice what will i do ? Nothing, the contract has no value. COL says Millenium does not answer to their mail, well, i'm streaming now, i'm not going to make lucifron and hasuobs (they were playing a koth for some money). In france we say that The best cure is prevention. And when you don't want to have problems, you don't do something like signing a contract in the middle of the night and putting it on teamliquid.net just to be sure to get it... I won't say millenium did things the best way, i don't say stephano did do things the good way, but complexity is not better... ... This is so......... Lol.. He also said he was not very happy the contract was signed at 3am (french hour), and without contacting the team (his team). K. so I'm not happy that the contract was signed at X am time in french when there's something retarded called timezones. Also, it doesn't invalidate anything if it's at Y am or Z pm. COL says Millenium does not answer to their mail, well, i'm streaming now, i'm not going to make lucifron and hasuobs (they were playing a koth for some money). "I'm streaming.... that's why I don't answer my emails" wat. now if police are knocking on your door, and you're streaming, are you gonna answer the door or just stream? | ||
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Fushin
France193 Posts
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Like a Boss
502 Posts
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XRaDiiX
Canada1730 Posts
On September 20 2011 05:13 FaRess wrote: Live Report : The manager stated that this is not happening because stephano was trying to get the best offer All in all i think Stephano may have felt pressured into signing with CoL. (Especially if they offered more money) and stephano may have made a naive mistake with some kind of verbal and/or contractual agreement singing/verbal agreement. I think the best thing to happen is for CoL.(Complexity) to leave the situation alone legally. Since it would cause an unecessary Shit Storm. Also, after reading the whole thread it seems many people are saying that the Contract isn't valid in France; or Stephano has a whole month since the day Stephano was binded to the so called contract. Col should just leave it alone let Stephano Stay on Millenium and let the Situation go away. Complexity will Exacerbate the Situation by taking Legal Action. Let Stephano choose for himself; seems he has a way to work around the contract according to French laws people are saying. All in all hope Stephano the best in E-sports. Such a talented Zerg player..  | ||
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elCapitan
United States9 Posts
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AzurewinD
United States569 Posts
On September 20 2011 05:17 coljbass wrote: At the end of the day I am not a lawyer but my partner Jason Lake is. Lot's of people can always say that a contract is "badly" written or it has "no value" but what I can say is that our contract very clearly spells out what we will provide and what is expected from the player. So maybe the focus should be on if someone understands the offer and accepts the offer and then signs the contract, that is probably a tad bit more important than if some clause that is necessary for a French contract is missing. The intention of a contract is for an offer and acceptance as well as all that is required of both parties and I can safely say that our contract spells all of that out very clearly. There is no doubt that he was getting what he asked for and he should have had no doubt what he was asked for in return. I spoke to him for weeks and answered all questions. So sure we could all spend our lives focusing on something that is not worded correctly or something that is "missing" because I can assure you there is probably not a "perfect" contract out there. The more important issue is did he know what he was being asked to do and did he know what he was receiving in return and did he subsequently sign the contract and agree to the terms as they were? And the answer in this case is absolutely. I honestly find it very hard to believe what Llewellys is saying right now on his stream (according to a previous post in this thread) that coL. never contacted Mil about this. This is too much waffling back and forth for my taste. If you sign a contract, you sign a contract. Get legal counsel beforehand before you sign anything. Otherwise, man up and honor it. At some point the line has to be drawn because there have been far too many instances of players breaching contract with 0 consequences. | ||
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Firekidt
United States28 Posts
That being said however, Stephano signed a legally binding contract, and has to uphold his end of the deal. If eSports are to grow, contacts should be treated with the same respect as the ones in professional sports. A Catch 22 situation: They either get nothing and eSports loses legitimacy, or they acquire Stephano without his consent, who will not be playing to his fullest potential. | ||
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Zorgaz
Sweden2951 Posts
On September 20 2011 05:21 marttorn wrote: Wait... So what is mill offering stephano? coL: "We'll give you one of the highest salaries in SC2 and send you around the world to tournaments, and to korea to practice with the MVP team" Mill: "Hey kid, if you sign with us we'll let you stay in France" I must be missing something huge here Notice how Mill said ''let''. Stephano got super excited when he realized he could chose. ... Seriously though, i agree. Guess It's a french thing | ||
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Peitachi
Denmark8 Posts
"4) Yesterday Stephano contacted coL.CatZ and our COO Jason Bass to inform them he had made his final decision and told CatZ "Don't worry I won't change my mind again." " So he apparently had been changing his mind atleast once, promising though that this was the last time, and is now saved by french law to do this kind of move. | ||
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Juanald
United States354 Posts
On September 20 2011 05:19 hYrasD wrote: Dont get it. col. would fly him to MLG´s, great Salary, he cloud train in korea proberly in the MVP house because of the col.MVP deal, with great players like Genuis, sC and DRG + col. is a big organization for a decade in the esports scene. But he got cold feet an spit on the whole contract so grz now u stay for ur whole sc2 life too Mill.After this drama none of the major teams(mouse,EG,TL or Dignitas) would sign him. your assuming stephan wanted to go to MLG.. he has the hype now playing in france only but when peddle meats the metal and hes in the booth hes gonna have to face proven foreign legends like Drewbie and Machine. | ||
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PEEFSMASH
108 Posts
On September 20 2011 05:20 PEEFSMASH wrote: Millenium is strawman heaven. "Don't think lesser of us because we are a French team" -___- Nobody thinks less of you because you are French, in fact, nobody even thinks you are a bad team. You lost a bidding war so get over it. Now Stephano will be stuck feasting on baguettes instead of training with the best in the world. Good luck to coL. This whole thing sucks for them and Stephano, wether he realizes it or not User was warned for this post | ||
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Fushin
France193 Posts
On September 20 2011 05:22 Like a Boss wrote: CoL just got cheesed in a 1v1 ladder game. Bastards ! Serve them well that Stephano left then !! >< | ||
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SwEEt[TearS]
Canada1575 Posts
I'm just glad Stephano pulled the plug now, coL doesn't need players who don't want to be there. "french scene" lolplease. the french scene is 100% french and stays in french (aka doesn't want to go international) so gl making it big. MLG and Korea would've made you infinitely better >_> | ||
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Drenz
France1 Post
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Angra
United States2652 Posts
On September 20 2011 05:21 marttorn wrote: Wait... So what is mill offering stephano? coL: "We'll give you one of the highest salaries in SC2 and send you around the world to tournaments, and to korea to practice with the MVP team" Mill: "Hey kid, if you sign with us we'll let you stay in France" I must be missing something huge here It seems like Mill may have used their reputation/friendship with Stephano to talk him into staying, kind of like a guilt trip or something. Maybe not, I really don't know, but that's exactly what it sounds like just based on the content in the OP. Also, I never really noticed before but they spelled Millennium wrong.. lol. | ||
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LRM
France4 Posts
On September 20 2011 05:18 Brio-emp wrote: Llewellys (millenium manager) has said on his stream that the contract had no value, missing many important clauses (ie : no retractation clause). He also said he was not very happy the contract was signed at 3am (french hour), and without contacting the team (his team). Now Stephano has signed a "real" contract (working contract ? don't really know the way to say). If COL goes to justice what will i do ? Nothing, the contract has no value. COL says Millenium does not answer to their mail, well, i'm streaming now, i'm not going to make lucifron and hasuobs (they were playing a koth for some money) wait. In france we say that The best cure is prevention. And when you don't want to have problems, you don't do something like signing a contract in the middle of the night and putting it on teamliquid.net just to be sure to get it... I won't say millenium did things the best way, i don't say stephano did do things the good way, but complexity is not better... You don't think the same way at 6 PM and at 5 AM. Stephano did not have a better contract than what was planned, we just showed him that the contract with COL was missing things like "look here, they say this, but they don't say anything if this or that". Well my english is bad, and i was translating as i was listening him speaking on his stream after the "Défi Winamax" (Lucifron vs HasuObs), so he said a bit more, but i was too slow to write everything. Everything was not said in this order, as i added the last sentences with what i had writting on a paper, but didn't have the time to write here first. EDIT : added a missing word Was also listening to Llewellys the millenium manager, and quote is true. | ||
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