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Lvdr
United States418 Posts
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YourHarry
United States1152 Posts
On August 12 2012 05:59 Lvdr wrote: @yh why is iamperfection equally suspicious with prome? I explained my null read on iamperfection. I will read other people's cases on prom. Upon skimming, I think there may be merit behind prom lynch Day 2. I will post my thoughts when I have time. | ||
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iamperfection
United States9642 Posts
On August 12 2012 09:23 Hapahauli wrote: Would anyone be up for voting for a 24-hour day? I can try to arrange this with a mod, since we all seem to be on the "lynch Promethelax" train. i support this lets get this to the intresting part. | ||
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
On August 12 2012 09:23 Shady Sands wrote: So you're going to push a lynch on me unless I accuse someone with towncred? Well you suggested that the 3rd scum could be on my "confirmed townie list," and right now, I have no reason to suspect anyone on that list over you. I will push a lynch against you unless you can convince me otherwise. | ||
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Shady Sands
United States4021 Posts
On August 12 2012 09:24 Hapahauli wrote: Well you suggested that the 3rd scum could be on my "confirmed townie list," and right now, I have no reason to suspect anyone on that list over you. I will push a lynch against you unless you can convince me otherwise. I don't have anyone. But it's not my obligation to come up with a counterlynch if I'm to defend myself from a lynch--that's how OMGUS wars start, and given that I'm already on a suspicion list, why would I help scum by doing that? I simply stated that your logic doesn't make sense, and I'm asking you to come up with a better explanation. Here's the thing--if I'm on the shortlist with Kronen, mkfuba, and YourHarry, why would I make that list even shorter? Your assumption rests on your belief that no one has suspicion on me, which is flat out disproven by numerous posts in the thread itself. So what's your logic? | ||
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
On August 12 2012 09:29 Shady Sands wrote: I don't have anyone. But it's not my obligation to come up with a counterlynch if I'm to defend myself from a lynch--that's how OMGUS wars start, and given that I'm already on a suspicion list, why would I help scum by doing that? I simply stated that your logic doesn't make sense, and I'm asking you to come up with a better explanation. Here's the thing--if I'm on the shortlist with Kronen, mkfuba, and YourHarry, why would I make that list even shorter? Your assumption rests on your belief that no one has suspicion on me, which is flat out disproven by numerous posts in the thread itself. So what's your logic? Process of elimination. Of the three people; ShadySands, Mkfuba, and YourHarry, you're the only one that makes sense. I'll build a case on you tomorrow morning. I have no reason to suspect anyone out of those three people in the game. If you give me a reason to suspect someone else - I'm willing to listen. You seem to be strongly indicating that someone on the confirmed townie list is mafia. TELL ME WHO. If you're not willing to scumhunt, please sit quietly and get lynched. | ||
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
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Shady Sands
United States4021 Posts
On August 12 2012 09:37 Hapahauli wrote: Process of elimination. Of the three people; ShadySands, Mkfuba, and YourHarry, you're the only one that makes sense. I'll build a case on you tomorrow morning. I have no reason to suspect anyone out of those three people in the game. If you give me a reason to suspect someone else - I'm willing to listen. You seem to be strongly indicating that someone on the confirmed townie list is mafia. TELL ME WHO. If you're not willing to scumhunt, please sit quietly and get lynched. Please explain to me how me coming in with a random accusation on someone with a lot of towncred qualifies as scumhunting. Hint: it's not. Pressuring me this way only makes it more, not less, likely that whatever case I come up with is hasty and half-baked, and less usable as a result. Prome is still my top scum read at the moment. I'm checking through the confirmed townie posts and will get back with analysis tomorrow morning. | ||
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
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Shady Sands
United States4021 Posts
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Shady Sands
United States4021 Posts
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Hapahauli
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Hapahauli
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Hapahauli
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
Cliffnotes: 1) ShadySands was the only resistance against the GK lynch 2) ShadySands early Night 1 Actions 3) Shady Sands does Jack Shit Day 1 4) Shady's Thoughts on Axero 5) Promo/Shady connection Shady Sands Resistance against the GK lynch When Lvdr, Dandel Ion, and I start the effort to lynch GK at the end of Day 1, I posted the below quote as a call to action. On August 11 2012 07:36 Hapahauli wrote: LET's ALL VOTESWITCH TO GOODKARMA Sideni and Lvdr are BAAAD townies! GoodKarma has not stuck his neck out, has tunneled suspicion on Axero and Sideni (easy targets), he hasn't made an original case or provided original analysis, and his play has been waaaaay too clean so far - Day 1 has been INSANE, there's no way people should be this clean! Even without hindsight, the logic is there no? My main point is GK's lack of analysis and sheeping. Yet Shady turns around and posts this: On August 11 2012 07:41 Shady Sands wrote:Wait you guys are doing a last minute pile on GoodKarma because his play is too clean? What? Huh what? He ignores my bolded point and focuses on the least important part of my logic! In addition, Shady Sands is the only force against the GK lynch, and does so in a way that twists my wording and logic. Then he has a sudden change in sentiment: On August 11 2012 07:41 Shady Sands wrote: I'd be willing to do the pile too, but sometime in the next twenty minutes could someone please recap a case on GoodKarma? All of a sudden after objecting to the lynch, he turns around and now is open minded? Shady first twists the case against GK, then keeps his options open. The resistance followed by the sudden flip-flop is scummy behavior. Shady's Early Night 1 Actions On August 11 2012 11:25 Shady Sands wrote: Note that I reconfirmed my vote on you even after people hit the 6 votes necessary to lynch GK. If I was really scum, why would I do that? This post just reeks of OMGUS. That being said, great job town on wagoning the bastard. I'll admit, I thought his posting was similar to his XXII meta (where he was town), so I didn't think he looked that scummy. In terms of confirmed townies, I'm going to say that Hapa is almost for sure confirmed now, since it's very unlikely scum would bus the GF on D1 (at most they would bus a goon.) By the same logic, the first guy to vote for GK, Lvdr, should also be cleared. Hapa, Lvdr, what are your top reads going into D2? Interesting right? He declare two obvious confirmed townies, then asks them a question about who their top reads are? Townies would have taken the opportunity to scumhunt here. ShadySands is "taking the temperature" of the situation - no one has a 2nd scumread, and he doesn't want to scumhunt. He wants to see what the town knows as opposed to scumhunting. On August 11 2012 13:38 Shady Sands wrote: I just read that encryption rules post from Prome. There are three possibilities, which are all plausible: 1) He's scum, trying to fake blue 2) If he hasn't rolled blue before, this could be a legitimate question (although putting it in the open thread is a little wierd) 3) He's a vet trying to bait a NK 1 and 3 are the likeliest--3 being most likely, ironically enough, because scum Prom in XXI was easily much smarter and more discreet with his posts. In this post, Shady Sands soft defends Promethelax despite having an FOS on him. Again, strange, mafia-oriented behavior. I think Shady Sands is bussing Promethelax, more on this later Shady does Jack Shit Day 1 This will be a short section, because Shady literally does nothing Day 1. He's lurky, he doesn't post any cases, and he soft defends a bunch of players under suspicion while tunneling Lvdr. Townies don't think like this. Shady Sands on Axero On August 10 2012 20:38 Shady Sands wrote: I like points 1 and 2. Point 3 is mostly OMGUS and Point 4 is kind of irrelevant. Here's my read on Axero: The guy talks a lot about what scum might or might not do. This doesn't read to me as scum play, but it's not pro-town either, as doing this helps scum plan what to do to look town. My advice to Axero is to shape up his posting. I don't think it deserves a lynch. ... His logic makes no sense. He likes points 1 and 2 (indicating support for Axero's scummy behavior), and then thinks Axero is bad town? This is mafia mentality - townies do not think like this; if a townie agreed with these points, a townie would have cast suspicion on Axero. The Shady/Promethelax Connection NOTE: Do not take this section too seriously unless Promethelax flips red. My other evidence should stand for itself After Shady probes me and Lvdr for scumreads, he immediately FOS's promethelax. I think this is a bussing attempt. In the event of a Shady/Promethelax scumteam, this is their only option to survive - sacrifice Promethelax while putting Shady in the best possible position to mislynch a couple of bad non-confirmed townies. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=355874¤tpage=45#899 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=355874¤tpage=47#928 In these two posts, Promethelax mentions me, Dandel Ion, and ShadySands as his top mafia suspects. Two confirmed townies and an unconfirmed townie... interesting right? This plays to the Shady/Promethelax scumteam trying to establish Shady as pro-town as possible so he can survive 3 mislynches. As I mentioned earlier: Part of me doubts that Promethelax (as hypothetical mafia) would so willingly exonerate a non-confirmed townie by including him in a list with two almost-confirmed townies (me and Dandel Ion). Given Shady's instant FOS against Promethelax after I posted my suspicions, Promethelax could have name-dropped Shady in order to get him as far through the game as possible, "confirming" his scumbuddy as townie. ShadySands is mafia. His actions before and after the GK lynch were strange, and he's displaying mafia-mentality. There's also plenty of evidence to suggest the Promethelax/ShadySands scumteam. | ||
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
On August 12 2012 08:20 Hapahauli wrote: So humor me Promethelax - How does me bussing GK make sense? Why would I bus the godfather who had zero suspicion on him? Also, why on earth would GK consent to getting bussed given the lack of suspicion on him. If you can answer these questions coherently, I'll take you seriously. @ Promethelax - Respond to this post. If you do not address this post, don't bother responding at all. | ||
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
If so, ##Vote Promethelax ##Vote 24-Hour Day | ||
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
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Sideni
Canada79 Posts
Leaving for work, couldn't read, but as I said in the post above, voting Promethelax right on Day 2. ##Vote Promethelax ##Vote 24-Hour Day | ||
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Dandel Ion
Austria17960 Posts
While the lynch is clear TODAY, I don't know about the next one. Yeah, some people already decided on the third scum, just depending on Prome's scum flip, but I haven't. Maybe it could be easy and we'll get it over with quickly. But we might also miss something. Don't get me wrong, I'd love for today (day 2) to be shortened, but I'm not so sure if I want 24-hour-days permanently. Also, voting for a 24-hour-day in the thread is dumb. If somebody decides to vote against it, he's gonna be singled out for it, and argued into the scum corner. So scum won't openly say they're against it, even if they are. If we were to vote for it, I guess PM'ing the hosts would be best. Can we get a statement on how to do this? | ||
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