On August 12 2012 02:45 Hapahauli wrote:
@ mkfuba - I'm kinda dissapointed that you have a lot of indecisive/null reads. There's a lot of information to sift over on Day 1; plenty for you to make a case on Kronen/Shady if one exists at all

On August 12 2012 02:53 Hapahauli wrote:
To be honest mkfuba - it's kinda blowing my mind that you have a null read on Promethelax in spite of Dandel Ion's recently posted case, as well as my own suspicions posted last night. Surely you have some sort of read on him?

I can't respond to this without talking at least a little about the modkill. I was waiting for a response from prplhz for the entire second half of D1. He gave me the go-ahead to post about 15 minutes before my return post. Yes, it was a self-imposed limit that was not demanded nor apparently required of me, but I didn't want my additional knowledge to affect the game as a whole. So I waited.
During that time, my thoughts centered on what was going to happen with Axero and I. My concerns were now out of game. I kept reading the thread, but I was extremely distracted. Everything that I mentioned in this post + Show Spoiler +

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=355874&currentpage=45#884

was decided after I finished my response to YourHarry. It took into account what we had learned from the vote, which led to my suspicions of Shady, and by the end of that I was exhausted. I posted my feelings on YourHarry in general, suspicions of Kronen that I promised to flesh out later (which are now only of relevance if Shady is scum, but Prom is not), and the comment that I had no read on Prom. This is not saying that I had a null read. I hadn't paid much attention to him, and thus had no read. I was also playing catch-up, trying to see if my case on Shady had any merit. Bad town play? Yes. Was I saying Prom was innocent? Absolutely not.

mkfuba07

United States1151 Posts

August 11 2012 23:59 GMT

#945

EBWOP: Clearly I should not be suspicious of Kronen at all anymore <.<

Hapahauli

United States9305 Posts

August 11 2012 23:59 GMT

#946

I actually have a bit to say about the Kronen NK - post incoming when I finish dinner.

Dandel Ion

Austria17960 Posts

August 12 2012 00:02 GMT

#947

On August 12 2012 08:54 Hapahauli wrote:
Sooo... does anyone have a reason we shouldn't vote Promethelax?

nope

##vote Promethelax

Dandel Ion

Austria17960 Posts

August 12 2012 00:04 GMT

#948

On August 12 2012 08:59 Hapahauli wrote:
I actually have a bit to say about the Kronen NK - post incoming when I finish dinner.

On thing that would make sense is an attempted blue snipe.
Given how Kronen layed low during day 1, scum might've assumed he was blue.

Why they wouldn't go after a confirmed/strong town, I don't really know.

mkfuba07

United States1151 Posts

August 12 2012 00:06 GMT

#949

It strikes me as likely that the scum didn't see his final night post before voting, so I think we should really consider what he was doing before that.

Hapahauli

United States9305 Posts

August 12 2012 00:10 GMT

#950

Well here's the deal - killing Kronen was a HUUUUUUGE risk given our confirmed townie pool. Of ShadySands, YourHarry, and mkfuba07, one of them being scum, who could get away with killing Kronen?

The answer is ShadySands. He's the only guy without serious suspicion on him.

Let me go back here:

1) Part of me doubts that Promethelax (as hypothetical mafia) would so willingly exonerate a non-confirmed townie by including him in a list with two almost-confirmed townies (me and Dandel Ion). Given Shady's instant FOS against Promethelax after I posted my suspicions, Promethelax could have name-dropped Shady in order to get him as far through the game as possible, "confirming" his scumbuddy as townie. I consider this not likely, but possible

I now consider this THE MOST POSSIBLE and my leading theory.

ShadySands and Promethelax scumteam.

Hapahauli

United States9305 Posts

August 12 2012 00:12 GMT

#951

Why else would Promethelax make such a big deal about including ShadySands in his suspicion list?

Secondly, I believe there's a good case to be made against ShadySands even if Promethelax doesn't flip red.

Dandel Ion

Austria17960 Posts

August 12 2012 00:15 GMT

#952

Still means we lynch Promethelax for now - which means I'm going to sleep.
No logical connection between the two? True, I'm just tired. G'night.

mkfuba07

United States1151 Posts

August 12 2012 00:17 GMT

#953

I agreed before the NK, and the flip didn't change my view.

##vote: Promethelax

YourHarry

United States1152 Posts

August 12 2012 00:18 GMT

#954

Thank you scum team for targeting Kronen.

Thank you Kronen for that confusing night post regarding JK. Scums probably thought Kronen was the JK.

Shady Sands

United States4021 Posts

August 12 2012 00:18 GMT

#955

On August 12 2012 09:10 Hapahauli wrote:
Well here's the deal - killing Kronen was a HUUUUUUGE risk given our confirmed townie pool. Of ShadySands, YourHarry, and mkfuba07, one of them being scum, who could get away with killing Kronen?

The answer is ShadySands. He's the only guy without serious suspicion on him.

Let me go back here:

Show nested quote +

I now consider this THE MOST POSSIBLE and my leading theory.

ShadySands and Promethelax scumteam.

Please explain your logic here. How does a nightkill on Kronen have anything to do with me having less suspicion on myself than mkfuba and YourHarry? Wouldn't this make a bit more sense for a scum to do if that scum was on your confirmed townie list?

Hapahauli

United States9305 Posts

August 12 2012 00:19 GMT

#956

Howabout this Shady - find me someone on my "confirmed townie list" that I should suspect over you.

iamperfection

United States9647 Posts

August 12 2012 00:22 GMT

#957

## vote promethelax

prom has not given any good reason not to.

Shady Sands

United States4021 Posts

August 12 2012 00:23 GMT

#958

On August 12 2012 09:19 Hapahauli wrote:
Howabout this Shady - find me someone on my "confirmed townie list" that I should suspect over you.

So you're going to push a lynch on me unless I accuse someone with towncred?

Lvdr

United States418 Posts

August 12 2012 00:23 GMT

#959

Prome has to be red. His bus claim makes no sense from a town perspective because of his incoming lynch. A wild claim like that (impossible for a townie to have more than a read) followed by a green flip would throw the whole town into chaos. The proper defense for a townie would be to explain your actions and reasoning, not come up with an incredibly unlikely counter accusation.

Hapahauli

United States9305 Posts

August 12 2012 00:23 GMT

#960

Would anyone be up for voting for a 24-hour day? I can try to arrange this with a mod, since we all seem to be on the "lynch Promethelax" train.