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On November 07 2013 14:07 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On November 07 2013 14:05 Onegu wrote:On November 07 2013 14:03 thrawn2112 wrote:On November 07 2013 13:59 WaveofShadow wrote:On November 07 2013 13:28 thrawn2112 wrote:On November 07 2013 13:27 WaveofShadow wrote:On November 07 2013 13:24 thrawn2112 wrote:On November 07 2013 13:22 WaveofShadow wrote:
Also sorry thrawn having severe idgaf issues right now.
I'll get to the stuff I promised eventually. yeah I know. but forget about ET and rayn for now because this vote onegu just made is crazy. I looked through his filter and he never talks to or about rayn as if he thinks he's mafia. Onegu never implies that he thinks rayn is scum until just now, and the only reasoning was because maybe scum rayn was trying to save scum hzflank? This is after Onegu start throwing out quotes to show that hzflank is scum... why wouldn't he just vote for hz? The answer... as much as you hate to admit it, imo is because rayn is town and onegu thinks that's an easier mislynch. It's like Onegu just wants to be lynched. Are there jesters in this game lol? The issue becomes the 'too scummy to be scum' thing. I can't honestly tell where to sit on this. My gut tells me a scum Onegu just wouldn't play this badly. Do you remember that quote rayn provided? On November 07 2013 05:42 raynpelikoneet wrote:Like this is what Onegu did in Desert final day: On September 12 2013 00:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Why the fuck would you, as town, in MYLO, say "I think Sno is scum, i'm okay with no-lynch, i am voting for yamato"??
Why? And we did not lynch him for it. :p Anyways good night. Yup, and I was waiting for you to point that out because it doesn't mean shit here---Onegu didn't fuck up, backtrack, try to cover anything up. He's just playing balls-to-the-wall shit. And Onegu himself brings up a good point. Rayn DOES call him tricky. This doesn't look tricky in the slightest. yeah, I think what he's doing is backtracking, but if you believe him then he's not backtracking. he claimed to have been developing suspicions about rayn earlier, he just didn't point them out. we have to accept that on faith because there is nothing in his filter to prove to us on way or the other if he ever thought rayn was mafia so the two choices are: 1) believe that he did think rayn was scum before now, except he didn't say anything about it and chose to talk about other stuff instead 2) he's scum and playing terribly Wait where did I say I thought rayn was scum earlier? The first time was when I saw his BS reason for makeing me look bad, hell I voted dor him to be blue before this. lol thrawn do you see this? Do you REALLY think this is scum play?
yeah that was my thought too... hmm
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Do you remember why we thought Onegu was town in Desert?
That's the stuff i mean with tricky.
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Also Onegu martyred as scum in Hogwarts.
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On November 07 2013 15:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Also Onegu martyred as scum in Hogwarts.
Show me... I said vote for me if you like, but I never selfvoted and I never followed up on it.
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On November 07 2013 15:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Do you remember why we thought Onegu was town in Desert?
That's the stuff i mean with tricky.
I remember that but not sure on why. I do remember at one point he was explaining that this is just how he plays, like he did earlier in this game I think? It convinced me in that game I remember. But tell me what you're talking about and do you think WoS might be right?
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And that was after I had a red check on me.
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oh and what are you thinking about hopeless/ET whatever
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On November 07 2013 15:38 thrawn2112 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 07 2013 15:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Do you remember why we thought Onegu was town in Desert?
That's the stuff i mean with tricky. I remember that but not sure on why. I do remember at one point he was explaining that this is just how he plays, like he did earlier in this game I think? It convinced me in that game I remember. But tell me what you're talking about and do you think WoS might be right?
The Sylencia stuff. Do you remember it?
What do you mean with "WoS might be right"?
On November 07 2013 15:38 Onegu wrote:
And that was after I had a red check on me.
Yes and you said "lynch me then lynch rayn because we had red checks on us".
On November 07 2013 15:40 thrawn2112 wrote:
oh and what are you thinking about hopeless/ET whatever
kill with fire.
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On November 07 2013 15:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On November 07 2013 15:38 thrawn2112 wrote:On November 07 2013 15:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Do you remember why we thought Onegu was town in Desert?
That's the stuff i mean with tricky. I remember that but not sure on why. I do remember at one point he was explaining that this is just how he plays, like he did earlier in this game I think? It convinced me in that game I remember. But tell me what you're talking about and do you think WoS might be right? The Sylencia stuff. Do you remember it? What do you mean with "WoS might be right"?
Nope. If you're talking about something that happened after I died then I wouldn't know. I'm asking if you think onegu might be town because this doesn't look like scumplay:
On November 07 2013 14:05 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On November 07 2013 14:03 thrawn2112 wrote:On November 07 2013 13:59 WaveofShadow wrote:On November 07 2013 13:28 thrawn2112 wrote:On November 07 2013 13:27 WaveofShadow wrote:On November 07 2013 13:24 thrawn2112 wrote:On November 07 2013 13:22 WaveofShadow wrote:
Also sorry thrawn having severe idgaf issues right now.
I'll get to the stuff I promised eventually. yeah I know. but forget about ET and rayn for now because this vote onegu just made is crazy. I looked through his filter and he never talks to or about rayn as if he thinks he's mafia. Onegu never implies that he thinks rayn is scum until just now, and the only reasoning was because maybe scum rayn was trying to save scum hzflank? This is after Onegu start throwing out quotes to show that hzflank is scum... why wouldn't he just vote for hz? The answer... as much as you hate to admit it, imo is because rayn is town and onegu thinks that's an easier mislynch. It's like Onegu just wants to be lynched. Are there jesters in this game lol? The issue becomes the 'too scummy to be scum' thing. I can't honestly tell where to sit on this. My gut tells me a scum Onegu just wouldn't play this badly. Do you remember that quote rayn provided? On November 07 2013 05:42 raynpelikoneet wrote:Like this is what Onegu did in Desert final day: On September 12 2013 00:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Why the fuck would you, as town, in MYLO, say "I think Sno is scum, i'm okay with no-lynch, i am voting for yamato"??
Why? And we did not lynch him for it. :p Anyways good night. Yup, and I was waiting for you to point that out because it doesn't mean shit here---Onegu didn't fuck up, backtrack, try to cover anything up. He's just playing balls-to-the-wall shit. And Onegu himself brings up a good point. Rayn DOES call him tricky. This doesn't look tricky in the slightest. yeah, I think what he's doing is backtracking, but if you believe him then he's not backtracking. he claimed to have been developing suspicions about rayn earlier, he just didn't point them out. we have to accept that on faith because there is nothing in his filter to prove to us on way or the other if he ever thought rayn was mafia so the two choices are: 1) believe that he did think rayn was scum before now, except he didn't say anything about it and chose to talk about other stuff instead 2) he's scum and playing terribly Wait where did I say I thought rayn was scum earlier? The first time was when I saw his BS reason for makeing me look bad, hell I voted dor him to be blue before this.
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Alright.
The rest of youse.
You have what amounts to an entire day to actually do something before I show up after my long long ass day tomorrow night. This is the lurkiest fucking D2 I have ever seen so far, and it is not acceptable for 4 people (3.5 maybe) to be attempting to do all the game playing for 3x the people.
If you are town, shape up. If you are scum, continue as you are. I don't want to lurker lynch today but so help me I will resort to it to prove a point if I must. And I'm fairly sure I WILL be around for lynch this time around.
+ Show Spoiler +Thrawn, I'm sorry I keep putting this off---played a bunch of LoL and hit promotions tonight  Remind me at some point when I get back and I will look into OO and whatever else I said I was going to do. I will not let us down.
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On November 07 2013 16:33 thrawn2112 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 07 2013 15:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:On November 07 2013 15:38 thrawn2112 wrote:On November 07 2013 15:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Do you remember why we thought Onegu was town in Desert?
That's the stuff i mean with tricky. I remember that but not sure on why. I do remember at one point he was explaining that this is just how he plays, like he did earlier in this game I think? It convinced me in that game I remember. But tell me what you're talking about and do you think WoS might be right? The Sylencia stuff. Do you remember it? What do you mean with "WoS might be right"? Nope. If you're talking about something that happened after I died then I wouldn't know. I'm asking if you think onegu might be town because this doesn't look like scumplay: Show nested quote +On November 07 2013 14:05 Onegu wrote:On November 07 2013 14:03 thrawn2112 wrote:On November 07 2013 13:59 WaveofShadow wrote:On November 07 2013 13:28 thrawn2112 wrote:On November 07 2013 13:27 WaveofShadow wrote:On November 07 2013 13:24 thrawn2112 wrote:On November 07 2013 13:22 WaveofShadow wrote:
Also sorry thrawn having severe idgaf issues right now.
I'll get to the stuff I promised eventually. yeah I know. but forget about ET and rayn for now because this vote onegu just made is crazy. I looked through his filter and he never talks to or about rayn as if he thinks he's mafia. Onegu never implies that he thinks rayn is scum until just now, and the only reasoning was because maybe scum rayn was trying to save scum hzflank? This is after Onegu start throwing out quotes to show that hzflank is scum... why wouldn't he just vote for hz? The answer... as much as you hate to admit it, imo is because rayn is town and onegu thinks that's an easier mislynch. It's like Onegu just wants to be lynched. Are there jesters in this game lol? The issue becomes the 'too scummy to be scum' thing. I can't honestly tell where to sit on this. My gut tells me a scum Onegu just wouldn't play this badly. Do you remember that quote rayn provided? On November 07 2013 05:42 raynpelikoneet wrote:Like this is what Onegu did in Desert final day: On September 12 2013 00:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Why the fuck would you, as town, in MYLO, say "I think Sno is scum, i'm okay with no-lynch, i am voting for yamato"??
Why? And we did not lynch him for it. :p Anyways good night. Yup, and I was waiting for you to point that out because it doesn't mean shit here---Onegu didn't fuck up, backtrack, try to cover anything up. He's just playing balls-to-the-wall shit. And Onegu himself brings up a good point. Rayn DOES call him tricky. This doesn't look tricky in the slightest. yeah, I think what he's doing is backtracking, but if you believe him then he's not backtracking. he claimed to have been developing suspicions about rayn earlier, he just didn't point them out. we have to accept that on faith because there is nothing in his filter to prove to us on way or the other if he ever thought rayn was mafia so the two choices are: 1) believe that he did think rayn was scum before now, except he didn't say anything about it and chose to talk about other stuff instead 2) he's scum and playing terribly Wait where did I say I thought rayn was scum earlier? The first time was when I saw his BS reason for makeing me look bad, hell I voted dor him to be blue before this.
You were alive. I don't have time to dig up the quotes now but i will if it's necessary. Onegu made a big post about asking Sylencia (his scumbuddy) -- who was hosting another game -- where "he asked" if he could talk about some other game and blabla. When we figured Sylencia was scum nobody expected Onegu's actions to be scum-scum interaction.
The quote you bring up is stupid. There is no town motivation to fucking tell who you voted in witchcraft and if Onegu is scum he can say wtf he want's about it because it doesn't mean shit.
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ok so as scum he will say anything
btw i am high and tired so idc and I don't want to decide right now. will see you all later
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actually fuck it
##vote:onegu
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On November 07 2013 16:56 thrawn2112 wrote:
ok so as scum he will say anything
btw i am high and tired so idc and I don't want to decide right now. will see you all later
Yes, as scum he does say equally stupid stuff than he does as town - he just rides with "scum would never do this" or "too scummy to be scum". Now he is trying to say i am wrong on my read on him by picking up a quote where i say "he does tricky stuff as scum" and not answering what's been brought up against him at all.
And the "tricky stuff" =/= "he does not do stupid stuff as scum" which he tries to imply here. I hope i am being clear enough.
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Your misrepresenting clever with stupid. Saying I PMd sylencia as scum was clever. Im not saying what I did this game is stupid perse but Im not trying to be clever. And if I think there person I voted for is scum I have no problem saying.
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On September 02 2013 23:24 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2013 21:30 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 01 2013 11:09 Hapahauli wrote:On September 01 2013 11:01 Tutankoopa wrote:On September 01 2013 10:04 sciberbia wrote:
Anything in particular you want to discuss right now while the rest of the thread seems to be afk? onegu TK, what are your thoughts on the claims by Debears and Rayn? As for Onegu, I really don't understand your case against him. Onegu apparently thought FT was scum, and his explanation about it (having played a ton of games with a visibly different town FT) makes sense. What precludes Onegu from finding multiple players suspicious and voting his top scumread (FT)? Hapahauli how does TK's case on Onegu make no sense? Being played with someone a lot does not make you good at meta-reading them. Onegu has never played in a game where FirmTofu has been mafia! That's like the basis of a meta-read. FirmTofu has been inactive before (see GoT). It does not make him mafia, yet Onegu suggests it is "nothing like FT's town games". Guess what, it's also nothing like his scumgame either.. That's why Onegu's "meta-read" makes zero sense. Why actually you do not understand TK's case on Onegu? Ok I sent a PM to the hosts and syl (hope thats not illegal/cheating) if I could talk about FT in P4 when we talking about I have never seen his scum play, and since at the time he hadnt flipped and the game wasnt over they told me I couldnt. But now that the game is over I have seen FT play scum, it had no resemblence to this game, but my main point about his meta with me was I have seen him play lurky town in GoT and in that game he still made reads on people just not many, and when he came back he defended himself and posted his reads for his post death flip, he did none of those things this game. While sounding like a broken record, his meta wasnt the only reason I voted for him. His play and lack of interest was also scummy. He deserved to die and I would have done it again because he was playing scummy and against his meta. The only thing I said to syl in the PM was can I talk about FT in persona, and his answer was no, the game is ongoing. Sorry if this is against the rules or cheating. I just wanted to know if I could talk about it.
How is this anywhere close to what is going on THIS game?
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After me trying to ask why people decided to vote on gumshoe in the last few minutes of the day I only got 2 responses (by thrawn and rayn). Mostly everybody else has been kinda lurking up to this point and still hasn't given a reason for their vote on gumshoe. I still believe that most likely that scum was involved in the vote since i don't think 7/9 townies would instantly change their vote which is why the reasons for switching your votes is really important in my opinion.
Out of the 7 who voted on gumshoe I feel like the most scummy are umasi and sno_man.
For those who are wondering why thrawn isn't there is because I do not think he is as scummy as I did last time. Ever since night 1 he has been posting well in my opinion. Another reason why is because of what I found suspicious at first, that he kinda deflected off of hzflank and started the vote on gumshoe. The more I think of it it makes me lean more town on him each time.
The argument still stands if they are both scum, but it would have been a big risk to take, but still a possibility. I don't see the scenario working if thrawn was scum and hzflank was town, that he would poke his head so far out to vote on gumshoe when all that was needed was 1 more vote on hzflank. And if thrawn is town, regardless of hzflanks alignment, he thought that gumshoe was a better vote as explained in his reasoning.
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I'm also disliking all of this meta talk. While meta is good as a guideline I think people are going to much in this line of talk "well since he plays like this and this game he is playing slightly differently then he obviously must be the opposite role he was last game". Some meta talk is fine but some pages are just filled with mostly meta talk. What about some game related topics like the votes, OO's death at night and any suspicions he had on people and any people he put in the town zone. It seems many people are ignoring these greatly and if we do so then it puts town almost back into the same position as it was in day 1 with some extra reads and 2 townies dead.
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